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mainly because this will result in additional downward pressure.
Good argument. So it might only make sense after CNX has enough money to pay their devs.

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Finding new money from investors and offering paid services as much as possible makes more sense to me.
This would make sense for a while but doesn't contribute to the stated goal of aligning incentives.

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Incentives are relatively well aligned but it could be better. I heard (on mumble) and read (https://bitshares.org/blog/2015/06/15/the-history-of-graphene/) that some core developers had to sell most of their BTS in order to continue to work on Bitshares / Graphene. They basically traded BTS for CNX shares this way because they bought themselves time because they didn't have to work some other job to pay their bills and invested that time into building Cryptonomex.
Bitshares would profit from a CNX team that has aligned incentives with BitShares. For example when deciding whether graphene is used for something that could compete with Bitshares or when negotiating whether someone acquiring a graphene license is honoring BTS etc.   

The idea is to partly reverse that trading of BTS for CNX shares again (voluntarily of course, but I will try to show how everyone involved could profit form it below).

Maybe some of the core devs that had to sell lots of BTS and are low in BTS can come forward and explain their situation and what they would want.

What could be done to align incentives more?
1. Some BTS whale (or a few) that is not a CNX shareholder could be found that is willing to exchange some BTS for CNX shares.
2. A fundraiser. Would be preferable to (1) if the participants in the fundraiser would receive CNX shares in return. If not the question is whether enough funds can be acquired with the fundraiser without financial incentives. The disadvantage would be legal questions...

In any case an exchange of BTS for CNY shares would be a plus sum game for...
1) ...the BTS givers because a) they receive CNX shares and b) they create more alignment of interests between BTS and CNX holders which is good for them as BTS holders (see above).
2) ...the CNX holders as they can dampen their investment risk. CNX holders have, especially if they are low in BTS, a much higher percentage of all shares in CNX than of all shares in BitShares. An exchange of CNX shares for BTS would distribute the risk of company/startup failure (risk reduced by 50%).
In addition BTS is much more liquid for the foreseeable future than CNX shares. 

Do you agree with the overall goal (aligning incentives)? And what is your opinion on the means of achieving that goal?

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Questions about Notes
« on: July 23, 2015, 05:47:54 pm »
MUSE will have smartcoins since we need a volatility free and counter party risk free form of payment. Meaning there will be a muse_USD which can be collateralized by Notes or any other asset.
This means that technically, artist's UIA can be shorted.
Although that's a blockchain, trader thing. PeerTracks itself is focused on user friendly UI that allows non-tech-savy users to simply buy UIA of artists they love (or think have potential)
And you prefer to use a market pegged asset (muse_usd) instead of a user issued asset where someone (peertracks for example) would guarentee to exchange this UIA for one dollar at any time?
I am asking because at some point I read somewhere (peertracks or the whatarenotes website or somewhere else) that UIA would be used to create a non volatile token.

When trying to determine the value of Notes or BTS it shouldn't make a difference whether BTS / Notes are the only token allowed to serve as collateral or whether any token can be used. First UIA as collateral doesn't make much sense because there is counterparty risk involved and one could use a UIA directly. If other market pegged assets are used: Let's say Muse_USD is used as collateral for Muse_CNY then that drives the demand for MUSE_USD which are backed by Notes which drives the demand for Notes. In that loop (of bitassets backing bitassets) there has to be somewhere a bitasset that is backed by Notes/BTS and the demand for the bitassets "above" this bitasset translates 1:1 into demand for BTS/notes. So in the end it shouldnt matter whether Notes are the only collateral or not. Anybody following me? Anyone disagreeing?

EDIT: Actually using other bitassets as collateral should multiply the demand for the native token (notes or bts) by the percentage necessary to create a bitasset. For example (assuming 1 note token is valued at 1 usd and 1 usd = 1 cny which is wrong of course but doesn't matter for the example): Creating 1 muse_usd requires ~ 3 notes. Creating 1 muse_cny (when backed by muse_usd) requires 9 notes because it requires 3 muse_usd which each require 3 notes.

EDIT EDIT: Hmm Requiring 3 muse_usd to create 1 muse_cny is probably overkill. 1.5 would probably be far enough to dampen the exchange volatility of usd:cny. So who determines that if it is not a private bitassets?

I will make a separate threat out of it. Is a little bit of topic...

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Technical Support / Re: Password worked yesterday not today
« on: July 23, 2015, 11:42:00 am »
I run the bitshares_client now and it began replaying the blockchain. The is no promt like normal in a terminal window so I can't type "open default" and enter my password..

prompt will come after replaying the blockchain .. it will look like this
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I always updated it by newly compiling it and then imported a backup. By updating do you mean update via a github command?
if you are under windows you can simply use the exe file provided in the github releases ..
otherwise you need to compile version 0.5.3 first, run it and import your wallet .. then you can checkout the latest version, recompile and start the client again
Ok thanks I will do that (with the old wallet) if it doesnt work now with the command line client.

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Technical Support / Re: Password worked yesterday not today
« on: July 23, 2015, 11:27:57 am »
I run the bitshares_client now and it began replaying the blockchain. The is no promt like normal in a terminal window so I can't type "open default" and enter my password..

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and update the client to 0.9.2 again
I always updated it by newly compiling it and then imported a backup. By updating do you mean update via a github command?

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Technical Support / Password worked yesterday not today
« on: July 23, 2015, 10:10:32 am »
I post quite frequently in the support section atm. Thanks to anyone who looks at it!

So yesterday I replaced the complete wallet folder in .bitshares with a wallet folder I backed up a while ago. I logged in with a password that is stored in a password manager. That worked.

Today I started the client again and used the same password. This time it didn't work. the client also didn't say that the password is incorrect. When I go to "Accounts" -> "go to my accounts" it also asks me for the password. If I enter the password there it replies that the password would be incorrect.

I have made a backup of the wallet when I was logged in yesterday. When I import the wallet the client just shuts down.

Anything I have overlooked?

Update: I have replaced the wallet folder again with the wallet folder I backed up month ago. Here my password works again. A solution might be to change the password of the wallet but "File" -> "change password" is grey.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: DPOShub.org [PR Delegate Update Thread]
« on: July 23, 2015, 09:11:39 am »
Love the concept of DPOS hub!  +5%

Is the logo final? Reminds me a bit of old church windows or of other religious symbols :)

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum argues for 115,000 TPS
« on: July 22, 2015, 01:30:12 pm »
all of the down sides of sharding. 

What are the downsides of sharding besides the obvious ones?

In V's blog about the hypercube approach the cost is confirmation time.    The other problem is that everyone focuses on scalability of TRANSFERS while ignoring the issue of scalability of MARKETS or "smart contracts in general".
Can you say what the limitations of "stacking" are (see also https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17671.msg225225.html#msg225225 )?

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Technical Support / Re: Screen problem
« on: July 22, 2015, 09:48:17 am »
I did "disable mouse integration" in Virtualbox...
Thought so :)

While you are at it: Make a Backup!
Defenitely!!!

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Technical Support / Re: Screen problem
« on: July 22, 2015, 09:22:03 am »
... [ALT] and dragging somewhere inside the window moves the whole virtual machine window...
Maybe you need to let the VM grab you mouse and keyboard inputs first .. (by pressing inside the VM somewhere) .. which VM are you using?

Can you not increase the screen size of your VM?
uuhhh now it works. thanks so much!

I did "disable mouse integration" in Virtualbox...

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Technical Support / Re: Screen problem
« on: July 22, 2015, 08:51:31 am »
In most Linux Environments you can move a window by pressing [ALT] and dragging somewhere inside the window .. Give it a try ..
millisecond response times as always ;)

... [ALT] and dragging somewhere inside the window moves the whole virtual machine window...

Not sure what I did (changed from full screen to not full screen and restarted the client) but now the client is even further up and I can't see the second line with "user" etc anymore, so I also can't access the console...   :-\

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Technical Support / Screen problem
« on: July 22, 2015, 08:41:34 am »
When I run the client (linux) the top of the client (with "File" and "Account") is not there and I also can not pull it down :( The client seems to be too far up on the screen.
Any idea whether why that is? It might just have to do with Linux, not Bitshares...

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General Discussion / Re: Ethereum argues for 115,000 TPS
« on: July 22, 2015, 07:16:42 am »
Here is the paper https://github.com/vbuterin/scalability_paper/blob/master/scalability.pdf
The abstract at least is fairly understandable.

Someone out there that has understood it enough to explain what the limitations / shortcomings of this approach are and where the benefits are?

And is "stacking" (section 8; acc. to the paper it would bring "infinite" TPS) not opposed to Bytemaster's assumption that blockchains are inherently single threaded?

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I mean it seems a bit pointless to have DPOS & a requirement for a local chain.  I can see a need to add fully verifying as an option you can turn on and off, but really why not SPV as the default?  It would make it so much easier and less resource intensive.
With DPOS and a local chain you trust that 51 delegates or less won't collude, that is much more safety than trusting one delegate. But you are right the syncing is a pain atm! I am at 92% after about 28 hours :)
All active development has stopped for BitShares 1.0. According to BM / tests BitShares 2.0, where all development efforts go into atm, will only need 250 mb of Ram and a proper light client / web wallet will be available (standard wallet).

If it takes 28 hours, are you sure it's syncing at all? On my reasonably fast internet connection it takes less than 1 hour for the wallet to download the entire blockchain from scratch. But I can't imagine that you'd have 28x slower internet. Are you sure you haven't got some firewall up and running or some advanced router option like IP-flood-protection enabled?
It has now synced completely. It runs in a virtual machine (2 gb ram). It may have to do with that...

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I mean it seems a bit pointless to have DPOS & a requirement for a local chain.  I can see a need to add fully verifying as an option you can turn on and off, but really why not SPV as the default?  It would make it so much easier and less resource intensive.
With DPOS and a local chain you trust that 51 delegates or less won't collude, that is much more safety than trusting one delegate. But you are right the syncing is a pain atm! I am at 92% after about 28 hours :)
All active development has stopped for BitShares 1.0. According to BM / tests BitShares 2.0, where all development efforts go into atm, will only need 250 mb of Ram and a proper light client / web wallet will be available (standard wallet).

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