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General Discussion / Re: BitNu - Funding BTSX without Inflation...
« on: October 09, 2014, 02:45:04 pm »
From the Nubits Whitepaper:
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When this occurs, NuBit demand will decline permanently. The end of the currency will be marked by interest rates rising to unprecedented highs and then going still higher until the vast majority of NuBits are parked. When market participants reach a unanimous consensus that NuBits are worthless, then they will suddenly drop to zero value from one USD. As long as a small group of speculators believe there is even a small chance NuBit demand will reach a new all time high the price will remain one USD. As the currency shows signs of stress and serious decline in levels of use NuBits will pass from ordinary businesses and people to speculators willing to take large risks for large rewards. Ownership of NuBits will centralize somewhat as the currency shows signs of stress. Failure of the currency is not synonymous with failure of the network. If there are other currencies offered by Nu, they will continue to be unaffected.

In the space between now and obsolescence, there is much that Nu can do to benefit shareholders and its users.

It seems to me they know fairly well how the story will end. I guess it all boils down to arguing about when that will happen.

Yeah, I've always been intrigued by the fact that the nubits devs are pretty explicit about the fact that nubits won't last forever. They are fairly unique in the crypto world in this; seems like everybody else wants to build the project that will last forever and be used by our great-grandchildren.

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When people buy into PTS before a snapshot they are leaving other positions, or not increasing other positions, to do so. I feel the free market can best handle this. There are times I move my PTS around for various reasons (aggregate mining revenue, refresh private keys for fresh backups, doing some day trading, etc.)

I can understand the desire to reward those with the buy and hold faith in Protoshares but I think that role is filled by AGS.
I tend to agree with riverhead

Me too. I always move my PTS to new private keys after each snapshot for security reasons; if snapshots were based on coin-days instead of merely coins, it would penalize my wise security precautions :)

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General Discussion / Re: BitNu - Funding BTSX without Inflation...
« on: October 08, 2014, 11:08:00 pm »
market cap 2m and the trading volume in 24h is 1m.

I would bet that there are a lot more than 2M NuBits by now, so the market cap should be higher.

But coinmarketcap is pretty slow at updating share counts.

The nubits block explorer shows about 2.2M: https://blockexplorer.nu/

Don't forget that if 2.2M nubits exist, that means 1.75M (I made that number up; but it's gotta be some large number) nubits are being traded around by the bots to maintain liquidity. At any given time, probably only a fraction [citation needed] of the total nubits are actually in circulation in any organic sense of the word. Because of this, it's very difficult to compare the open interest of nubits to that of BitUSD.

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KeyID / DNS price likely to fall in the short term?
« on: October 08, 2014, 02:51:21 pm »
Looks like at the moment only 800M DNS have been claimed from genesis (out of 5B total). That means DNS is currently trading with a low float - relatively few outstanding shares. An additional 1M of sales on Bter would push the price down below 190 satoshi; the first significant buy wall (on Bter) is at 162, and it only has 2M DNS. Of course, Bter isn't the only exchange and just because the orders aren't there doesn't mean the demand isn't there. So these numbers only give us a lower bound on demand.

Anyway, I've a hunch that the price will slide downward pretty steadily until features are launched. Some of this will be people waking up and saying "hey! I have cash sitting there from the snapshot that I can pay my credit card bill with!" And some of it will be people gambling, like I am, that the price has not hit the bottom yet.

Thoughts?

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LottoShares / Re: Neither Dice nor Lottery are producing results
« on: October 07, 2014, 02:20:07 pm »
Update:

I've been trying to resolve two problems with LottoShares but have not managed to do so.

The first is a forking problem when the checkpointing server is running. The checkpointing server allows draws to take place but causes forks to take place when checkpoints aren't accepted by some clients.

The second is decentralizing the draw/random number generation. Using the block hash and a private key to generate unpredictable randomness is centralized and ultimately unsatisfactory. I think the second problem may only be resolvable in the context of a (bitshares style) delegate model.

Unfortunately I've been unable to resolve these problems in LTS despite a huge amount of effort. I have now decided to redirect my efforts to other projects.

Thanks to everybody who took part and I'm sorry it didn't turn out as well as we had all hoped.

So this is the official LTS death-rattle?

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KeyID / Re: [DNS] v0.0.2 - Trade the snapshot and fight for delegate pay
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:57:00 pm »
can somebody sent me 1 dns to

delegate-liondani


thanks in advance ;)

somebody?
I want to activate my delegate before I get to sleep... its 2 AM here  :)

done!

thanks,thanks,thanks !!!!
I admit the first funds gives you always a unique priceless feeling!  :)

Yep, always very nice and exciting :) You're my very first transaction other than claiming my genesis stake :)

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KeyID / Re: [DNS] v0.0.2 - Trade the snapshot and fight for delegate pay
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:53:14 pm »
can somebody sent me 1 dns to

delegate-liondani


thanks in advance ;)

somebody?
I want to activate my delegate before I get to sleep... its 2 AM here  :)

done!

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General Discussion / Re: How much is a new user worth?
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:20:20 pm »
Well now that's just unkind. Teasing us like this... Will this be the subject of your keynote? Do we really have to wait that long???

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General Discussion / 0.4.20 BitGLD GUI display issues
« on: October 02, 2014, 08:30:01 pm »
It looks like the sell (sell BitGLD, buy BTSX) side of the order book is not displaying correctly. It says there is only 0.000005 bitGLD on the order book, but adding up the open short orders there should be over 0.6. Looks like someone put the decimal point in the wrong spot...

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Technical Support / Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« on: October 02, 2014, 07:47:55 pm »
Arbitrage for Dummies

BitSharesX: BTSX is being sold at 0.21CNY/BTSX
BTER.com: BTSX is being sold at 0.195CNY/BTSX
BTER.com: bitCNY is trading at about a 2.5% discount.

Bot Algorithm:

- Buy bitCNY on BitSharesX below the peg 0.21CNY/BTSX
- Transfer it to BTER.com and trade it for CNY
- Trade CNY for BTSX at 0.195 CNY/BTSX
- Transfer BTSX back to BitSharesX
- Rinse and repeat.

With Feeling Numbers:

- Trade 100 @ .21 CNY/BTSX = 21 bitCNY
- Transfer 21 bitCNY to BTER
- Trade 21 @ 0.975 bitCNY/CNY = 20.475 CNY
- Buy 105 @ .195 CNY/BTSX
- Transfer 105 BTSX back to BitSharesX
- Rinse and Repeat

I get the feeling BM has been telling us to do this for months. Anyway, aside from all the fees between the steps, which would be less than 5 BTSX, this seems reasonable? Since everything would be done by a bot even 0.01% profitability would be good. Even breaking even would be fine if it'd provide some Market X-Laxtm

I've been manually watching for these types of arbitrage opportunities since BitUSD launched, and it's been a long time since I've seen one, and that's mostly because CNY/BitCNY is quite illiquid on Bter. When BitUSD was new, I completed quite a few manual arbitrage trades with Bter, taking advantage of the fact that you got a 1% bonus for depositing BTSX. Quite nice.

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BITBTC has always been pretty illiquid. I've noticed there haven't been many shorts on the book for the past couple days. But notice that despite the illiquidity, the peg has held fairly accurately.

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Technical Support / Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« on: October 02, 2014, 01:13:06 am »
Yield question: BM recently quoted 1.5% yield on BitUSD. Did he get that number by computing (collected_fees) / (current_share_supply) ?

If so, then BitCNY is paying about twice that and BitGLD is "paying" over 18%. Obviously the bitGLD number will change once the "assert exception" bug is fixed, but that's an awfully nice yield on gold. :)
let me hightlight two lines out of the GLD market status:
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  "precision": 1000000,
  "current_share_supply": 70397,
There just is no liquidity in GLD yet ..

The issue of the yield .. if have no clue .. but I guess something in that . or maybe he collected blockchain data and estimated according to the already paid yields .. something like that ..

Haha, I know GLD is crazy immature right now due to the market bugs. But I bet I'm right about the yield computation (other than gold), just due to bits and pieces of how BM has explained it. I'm gonna go do some digging...

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I'm back to answer my own question: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8520.msg110779.msg#110779

So I was right, total fees are divided by total supply and then that percentage is paid out linearly over the following year.

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Technical Support / Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« on: October 02, 2014, 01:09:18 am »
Yield question: BM recently quoted 1.5% yield on BitUSD. Did he get that number by computing (collected_fees) / (current_share_supply) ?

If so, then BitCNY is paying about twice that and BitGLD is "paying" over 18%. Obviously the bitGLD number will change once the "assert exception" bug is fixed, but that's an awfully nice yield on gold. :)
let me hightlight two lines out of the GLD market status:
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  "precision": 1000000,
  "current_share_supply": 70397,
There just is no liquidity in GLD yet ..

The issue of the yield .. if have no clue .. but I guess something in that . or maybe he collected blockchain data and estimated according to the already paid yields .. something like that ..

Haha, I know GLD is crazy immature right now due to the market bugs. But I bet I'm right about the yield computation (other than gold), just due to bits and pieces of how BM has explained it. I'm gonna go do some digging...

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Technical Support / Re: !!! Stupid Questions Thread !!!
« on: October 01, 2014, 07:35:57 pm »
Yield question: BM recently quoted 1.5% yield on BitUSD. Did he get that number by computing (collected_fees) / (current_share_supply) ?

If so, then BitCNY is paying about twice that and BitGLD is "paying" over 18%. Obviously the bitGLD number will change once the "assert exception" bug is fixed, but that's an awfully nice yield on gold. :)

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1. pay your employees in bitUSD
2. pay your contractors in bitUSD
3. let the bitshares DNS, Votes, Music etc. integrate bitUSD payment from the start - as easy as possible
4. establish an easy way to convert USD in bitUSD - this will bring new money in the system

we need more purpose for bitUSD and everything else will follow

 Exactly! +5%

Yeah. I am getting a little tired of all these really hack-y "solutions" to bitAsset yield. I think putting subsidies into bitAsset yield would be pretty lame. They would stimulate demand only as long as they were being paid, and as soon as the promotional period ended, demand for bitAssets would dry up again. Just keep working on getting a solid product and getting merchant adoption. Yield will be icing on the cake when it's all said and done.

Or, implement drltc's plan for shorts to pay interest to longs.

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