When you tell people about BTS try to tell the people who don't want a quick profit. If they want a quick profit probably should stay away from BTC also because BTC is way down from 2014 or 2013.

When you tell people about BTS you have to tell them that it could take possibly 3-5 years before they get ROI. This is because Bitcoin and all the altcoins are in red. The people who bought Bitcoin for $700-1000 are upset and think they lost their money so they aren't buying right now.

But the smart investors are buying right now.  As for BTS, at it's peak it was under $100 million, but even Litecoin was higher than $100 million, even Dogecoin was $77 million, and they offered really no technological innovation, and very limited utility.

But to sustain you need to build an ecosystem, not just tell people to buy Bitshares, but you have to tell people to support Bitshares, which is very different. To support Bitshares you have to bring value to it, using whatever it is that you have to offer. You have ideas to improve Bitshares? Share them. You can write code? Contribute. You speak 20 languages? Translate. You can do marketing? Tell people about the opportunities Bitshares offers.

When marketing Bitshares you don't just tell people to buy Bitshares. You have to show people the opportunities it current offers, you have to let them demo Bitshares, you have to prove Bitshares is an opportunity by actually profiting from the ecosystem yourself, and then when you tell them to buy Bitshares they'll know they are buying into an ecosystem and not just a shitcoin.

For people who understand why I said to tell people about BTS now, then you understand what you have to do.

For people who don't understand, I would say if you'd like to sell your BTS at these cheap prices go ahead. The people I tell about BTS will get in even cheaper and the profit will go to them instead.

Excellent.

Quote from: Xeldal on November 07, 2015, 03:25:26 pm

I agree, the average user should never be sent to a github page .  Its intimidating, confusing, and unnecessary.  Someone who's interested in the github page will be more than capable of finding it by some other means.

Quote from: cass on November 07, 2015, 03:05:35 pm

https://bitshares.org/download/

This is a better page, but the the most prominent "Download Now" link points to github.  only 1 in 1000 vistors would even bother to find the above download page.  I'd suggest having the "Download Now" link to the above https://bitshares.org/download/     

yep agreed will update frontpage tonight .. Frontpage changes were made during my stay in shanghai ..
( was happy that someone else was helping out during this time)

This link has not been changed?

some more questions...

I am assuming the Bitshares Light is what I have installed previously, but this time it loads without the full menu it had before, like the Open Ledger version, why is that?

I tried installing the first option - BitShares-2.15.306-x64-cli-tools.exe

Why does it say "Publisher Unknown" when I go to install on Windows 10? This flags a warning
Why does the installer have the old BitsharesX logo on it?

Hi Guys,

Some serious questions...

1. When do we want to start marketing this to the mass population?
2. When do we want to make this user friendly so we have a chance of it being used by the mass population?

Is it now? Is it 2016? 2017?

I hoped it would be with the release of Bitshares 2.0 but I have to say I think its not even close and I'll go through why in this post.

Now I'm a fairly technical person, computer literate and have been using computers for about 25 years, but not as technical as many on here I'm sure.

Just going through some basic stuff on an upgrade has me confused, so I started to look at it from the point of view of MOST people I come in contact with who are quite clueless when it comes to computers in general. I'm not completely sure who the community on here is made up of, but I would hazard a guess its predominantly male, aged 20 - 45 with good working knowledge of computers and a passion for technology.

That is not the general population! That is not the 90% of "consumers" who we want to take to this technology like they do to smartphones.

So here's my experience this afternoon with the empathy of perhaps a novice computer user, just so you can appreciate where I am coming from.

I wanted to upgrade my Bitshares 2.0 software to the latest release to get rid of the display bug recently mentioned, I like to keep my software updated to the latest version in any case. First I opened my current Bitshares 2.0 software to check what version I was using, usually this found under file or help "About Application"... it was there but threw a JavaScript error so I thought OK I'll just download the latest version.

I go over to the Bitshares.org website as I know this site is where to download the software (imagine I was given a card at an expo, or referred to the site in an email).

BitShares 2.0 is an industrial-grade financial smart contract platform. Sounds great!

I read some info under the Technology section... awesome I'm ready to download my software and start using Bitshares!

I click on "Download Now" because I want to install it on my computer.

Github? What's that? Oh OK Latest Release... BitShares 2.0.151101

All full nodes will need to upgrade to this release by Wed Nov 4 16:00:00 UTC 2015.

Huh? What's a full node? Oh wait its now November 7... sooo what does that mean, I can't get the software? hmmmm

Oh here we go, downloads...

BitShares-2.15.306-x64-cli-tools.exe
BitShares-light_2.0.151105.dmg
BitShares-light_2.0.151105.exe
bitshares-light_2.0.151105_amd64.deb
Source code (zip)
Source code (tar.gz)

Hmmm which one do I choose? What's a DMG? whats a DEB?

This actually did confuse me guys as I couldn't remember if I downloaded the light version or what.
So I downloaded that again, installed and now all I get is FILE/QUIT EDIT/... VIEW/RELOAD

It says connected but there is no main menu with explore, search etc like in the previous.

If I'm confused and don't know how to get back to where I was before, believe me there's a slim chance of getting a basic computer user to get this up and running. That might sound arrogant or offensive but it is not intended to be... it is said with the best of intentions.

There is great work being done here, but if the UX is not friendly and basically "plug and play" its a problem.

I am putting this out there because I do want this to work, I am invested in it (probably more emotionally than financially at this point) and I cannot help wondering if all the people working on this fulltime, and part time, at this stage cannot see the woods for the trees?

Maybe a good starting point would be for everyone involved to ask a friend/family member who is not to go through the UX and give some feedback?

Ok that worked. I would have thought it would calculate automatically, but anyway it has sent and is instant which is great.

Got to put these little traps in a user help guide guys.

Its a pretty big damn bug!

if this is the only way I can get funds into the software right now and it converts my BTC to 1 BTS, instead of about 8,000 BTS I would say this should be the number 1 priority to fix immediately, before any other dev work is done.

Right now I cannot buy BTS with Bitcoin, I'm dead in the water here.

Please fix ASAP

I've recently purchased BTC with the intention of sending to my Bitshares 2.0 account and converting to BTS, I used LocalBitcoins for the service and I am stuck in a "pending" status, and I'm not the only one.

https://localbitcoins.com/forums/#!/general-discussion

Seems the blockchain cannot handle the traffic with this big rally and we're on a go slow, that is the interpretation anyway (I don't really know), but it must be good for BTS as I understand we will not have this problem? We just need people looking at BTS as an better alternative.