Quote from: fluxer555 on December 22, 2014, 11:28:42 PM
The 'search count' on Google and Bing are not an actual count, they are just estimates that are not based on the actual count. See here for reference.

I would suggest going by search volume instead, which you can obtain by using the Google AdWords API.

Thank you for the suggestion. We will study the Google AdWords API in greater detail to see if this is possible.

Quote from: Shentist on December 22, 2014, 10:51:25 AM
@bobster

we do you just use bing?

nearly no one use it in europe

why not google?

thanks

We wanted to use Google too but Google does not have an API (it is deprecated). Somehow Google is very protective of their data these days :(
Since we are going for search result count, we figured Bing could be a good alternative. The Bing API works perfectly in getting the search result count

Quote from: robrigo on December 20, 2014, 04:30:01 PM

Quote from: bobster on December 20, 2014, 03:22:51 PM

Quote from: robrigo on December 19, 2014, 03:11:11 PM

Quote from: bobster on December 18, 2014, 02:27:10 AM

Quote from: bitsharesmarket on December 17, 2014, 06:15:30 PM
bobster, the URL could probably use updating as well as there is no longer an 'X' in BitShares.
Keep up the good work CoinGecko. Community lets keep on moving up... BitShares Top 5 on CoinGecko

Yup you are certainly right. Didn't want to touch the URL previously because I didn't want all the old links linking into bitsharesx to break. But we can definitely do a redirect for those linking to bitsharesx to the new URL without the x :)

Thank you also for the nice blog post reviewing Bitshares performance on CoinGecko. We have tweeted it out :)

Great work on Coingecko! As a feature request I would ask that you consider factoring in each project's specific forum stats into your Community algorithm.

Thanks for being receptive,

Rob

Hi Rob, we are taking out initial first steps in gathering forum data just as you wrote this message! Talk about perfect timing :)
We are still not entirely sure how we can incorporate it into the ranking algorithm as some coins' forum do not provide stats. This is still in early-stage implementation and we hope we can figure some common patterns and fair way to represent each coin's forum data.
Also we now track over 160+ coins so we will require some time to gather all the forum data before you see it live on CoinGecko. But you can be assured that we are working on this!

Glad to hear it. Thanks again for running your site. I like the added depth it provides into crypto projects via the developer and community stats.

Great to hear that. Hope you continue liking our site and using it more frequently :)
Do let us know if there are more feedback, comments or suggestions. Thanks!

Quote from: robrigo on December 19, 2014, 03:11:11 PM

Quote from: bobster on December 18, 2014, 02:27:10 AM

Quote from: bitsharesmarket on December 17, 2014, 06:15:30 PM
bobster, the URL could probably use updating as well as there is no longer an 'X' in BitShares.
Keep up the good work CoinGecko. Community lets keep on moving up... BitShares Top 5 on CoinGecko

Yup you are certainly right. Didn't want to touch the URL previously because I didn't want all the old links linking into bitsharesx to break. But we can definitely do a redirect for those linking to bitsharesx to the new URL without the x :)

Thank you also for the nice blog post reviewing Bitshares performance on CoinGecko. We have tweeted it out :)

Great work on Coingecko! As a feature request I would ask that you consider factoring in each project's specific forum stats into your Community algorithm.

Thanks for being receptive,

Rob

Hi Rob, we are taking out initial first steps in gathering forum data just as you wrote this message! Talk about perfect timing :)
We are still not entirely sure how we can incorporate it into the ranking algorithm as some coins' forum do not provide stats. This is still in early-stage implementation and we hope we can figure some common patterns and fair way to represent each coin's forum data.
Also we now track over 160+ coins so we will require some time to gather all the forum data before you see it live on CoinGecko. But you can be assured that we are working on this!

Quote from: svk on December 19, 2014, 12:38:17 PM

Quote from: bobster on December 18, 2014, 02:57:24 PM

Quote from: fuzzy on December 18, 2014, 03:09:02 AM

Quote from: hpenvy on December 13, 2014, 06:00:12 PM


Anyone else think this assessment is off?

I have contacted them MULTIPLE times in the past. Never changed anything...

I dont see why we cant reach out again though.  They did have many of the metrics right when I checked back in the day though.  Commits from invictus devs literally dwarfed all others...I personally think their algo is off.

*edit* looks like bobster is on it. Thank god for bobster. Thanks man for actively participating. Now I rly have to go.

Hi fuzzy, sorry if you did not receive a response from us in the past. It was never our intention. We are trying our best.
Anyway in the future, feel free to reach out to me via email at bobby [at] coingecko [dot] com if you have any updates for us :)

Hello Bobster, thanks for the changes you've included so far to better track Bitshares activity. I feel like you should also include these two repositories:

github. com/BitShares/web_wallet
github. com/BitShares/qt_wallet

This is where all the development for the official QT wallet is happening. Unlike Bitcoin and I suppose most other coins, Bitshares has a separate repository for this. It is the equivalent of this:

github. com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src/qt

To correctly account for Bitshares development activity you should add all the counts for those two to what you're already tracking.

Cheers,
svk

Hi svk, we currently only track 1 main core repository for each coin. We have received 1-2 other requests like this but we are being very cautious about this because we want to be as fair as possible for all coins and do not want to be accused of favoritism. By tracking other repos for Bitshares, we will also need to do the same for all the other coins. It is not impossible, but we really need to take a lot more time to study the situation before making a call. Thanks for the suggestion.

Quote from: fuzzy on December 18, 2014, 03:09:02 AM

Quote from: hpenvy on December 13, 2014, 06:00:12 PM


Anyone else think this assessment is off?

I have contacted them MULTIPLE times in the past. Never changed anything...

I dont see why we cant reach out again though.  They did have many of the metrics right when I checked back in the day though.  Commits from invictus devs literally dwarfed all others...I personally think their algo is off.

*edit* looks like bobster is on it. Thank god for bobster. Thanks man for actively participating. Now I rly have to go.

Hi fuzzy, sorry if you did not receive a response from us in the past. It was never our intention. We are trying our best.
Anyway in the future, feel free to reach out to me via email at bobby [at] coingecko [dot] com if you have any updates for us :)

Quote from: bitsharesmarket on December 17, 2014, 06:15:30 PM
bobster, the URL could probably use updating as well as there is no longer an 'X' in BitShares.
Keep up the good work CoinGecko. Community lets keep on moving up... BitShares Top 5 on CoinGecko

Yup you are certainly right. Didn't want to touch the URL previously because I didn't want all the old links linking into bitsharesx to break. But we can definitely do a redirect for those linking to bitsharesx to the new URL without the x :)

Thank you also for the nice blog post reviewing Bitshares performance on CoinGecko. We have tweeted it out :)

Quote from: donkeypong on December 16, 2014, 06:54:50 AM

Quote from: bobster on December 16, 2014, 06:07:04 AM
Hi guys, I'm Bobby, the co-founder of CoinGecko. I am really happy to see all the conversations happening around here on CoinGecko.

I hardly post in this forum but I have occasionally lurked around here since the Protoshares days. I've been following the progress of Bitshares for a long time and I really like the development, commitment and progress that I have seen from you guys.

I would like to take the opportunity here to say thank you for all the support, especially the user Shentist who tweeted us to inform us of all the changes. I would like to now reply here with some comments on the feedback that the others have remarked.

Quote from: chryspano on December 13, 2014, 06:18:31 PM
bing returns 36000 results, not 4800
alexa ranking is 232000 position, not 470000

I haven't checked anything else but I can bet that all their "stats" are wrong.

EDIT
bitsharestalk ranks141,721 with an improvement of 32,751 the last 3 months!

For Bing, we actually use the following search term "Bitshares coin". We add "coin" to the search term for all cryptocurrencies that do not have "coin" in their name.
For Alexa, I believe there was a discrepancy because we had previously listed the old bitshares-x.info website until Shentist tweeted us to update the link to bitshares.org

Quote from: Ander on December 13, 2014, 07:07:01 PM
Yes, I think its highly inaccurate.

I'm not sure where it gets the developer numbers from, but our development is more active than most of the coins above us, which all have higher numbers.

The community rating is based on reddit subscriptions, facebook likes, and tweets, which means that it counts things we are weak at, and not this forum, which is our strength.  Also it means it doesnt give us much credit for our chinese community.

Finally, the public interest stats are much lower than they should be if you actually look at Alexa or bing search result numbers.

We have updated the Github URL to the correct one now and as a result of that, Bitshares is now ranking #5 on CoinGecko. Congrats to that!

We agree that Reddit, Facebook and Twitter does not give a full reflection of the community support since these services are banned in China and penalizes your community score more strongly than the other coins. I have been impressed by the level of support that you guys have received in China since the beginning. We are exploring other metrics where we can better evaluate community support received for coins. One of the options that we are exploring is forum activity stats. However do give us some time to work on this as this is a massive undertaking for us to collect data for all 161+ coins that we already track.

Quote from: bytemaster on December 14, 2014, 04:17:57 PM

Quote from: bitsharesmarket on December 14, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
If they changed the logo and the homepage (it at least forwards) would be nice as well.

This site is an example of low hanging marketing fruit... if we can get them to update the stats to reflect reality we should be in the top 3.   We should also work to make sure that the information they publish about BitShares is as accurate and up to date as possible.   

Someone should draft a summary and give them the data they should publish about us.

Thank you, Dan for replying to this thread! I feel honored to receive a comment from the leader himself!
We are very open to updating Bitshares information listed on our website as shown in our previous correspondence with Shentist.
Feel free to continue tweeting us @coingecko or do drop us an email (I can't post my email link here as I'm a newbie but do find our email on our website footer) and we will update the information. One thing that I would like to point out is for someone to send us an updated About section for Bitshares if there are any new changes since we last wrote the 2 paragraphs.

Thank you once again for the support that you have shown to us. Look forward to hearing more from you folks via email and our Twitter!

Bobby, I love your site. It's awesome of you to come here and post. Thank you also for being so responsive. I'm sure this community can get behind Coingecko and help promote your business if we feel it is an accurate snapshot of BitShares' place in the world. ANd maybe it will encourage us to make some improvements as well...

The part I have a problem with is your use of "coin" in the Bing search term. I understand that you need a common denominator for these things. But with BitShares and the other 2.0's, no one uses the term "coin" anymore. The currency part is a fraction of the overall picture for us now. For "Stellar" or "Quark" or anything that uses a word that's common in other contexts, I understand that you need to delimit this somehow.

For sake of the 2.0's, which make up a substantial portion of your list and are being undervalued by the oversimplified "coin" search term, I'd suggest adding up (and perhaps averaging) a basket of search terms that are relevant and fair to all parties. For example, where x is the name of the "coin", run searches for "x coin", "x currency", "x exchange", and "x crypto". The "x exchange" search is pretty faithful for all the ones I tried (when you allow Bing to include "lower quality" results also) except for CounterParty, since that term has some common usage in exchanges. Therefore, for the "x exchange" search above, I might also include the cryptocurrency's three-letter abbreviation. For example, "x abc exchange" where abc is the common trading abbreviation. So that would be "Bitshares PTS exchange" and "Bitshares BTS exchange" (since the latter recently took over as the trading currency name). I was most interested to see that when you search for "Counterparty XCP exchange", that almost completely eliminates the irrelevant results.

You might think of some other useful terms to use also or you might find problems with some of mine; that was just my brainstorming. Anyway, I think using a basket of search terms would create a more honest result. And the 2.0's, which the action is moving towards, would value and use your site more highly.

Hi donkeypong, I looked at the search results of Bitshares again on Bing and agree that Bitshares is a unique enough term to generate relevant search results. As a result I have removed the word "coin" from the search term and we are now only using "Bitshares" as a search term for Bing. Thank you for the suggestion. Appreciate the feedback and support!

Hi guys, I'm Bobby, the co-founder of CoinGecko. I am really happy to see all the conversations happening around here on CoinGecko.

I hardly post in this forum but I have occasionally lurked around here since the Protoshares days. I've been following the progress of Bitshares for a long time and I really like the development, commitment and progress that I have seen from you guys.

I would like to take the opportunity here to say thank you for all the support, especially the user Shentist who tweeted us to inform us of all the changes. I would like to now reply here with some comments on the feedback that the others have remarked.

Quote from: chryspano on December 13, 2014, 06:18:31 PM
bing returns 36000 results, not 4800
alexa ranking is 232000 position, not 470000

I haven't checked anything else but I can bet that all their "stats" are wrong.

EDIT
bitsharestalk ranks141,721 with an improvement of 32,751 the last 3 months!

For Bing, we actually use the following search term "Bitshares coin". We add "coin" to the search term for all cryptocurrencies that do not have "coin" in their name.
For Alexa, I believe there was a discrepancy because we had previously listed the old bitshares-x.info website until Shentist tweeted us to update the link to bitshares.org

Quote from: Ander on December 13, 2014, 07:07:01 PM
Yes, I think its highly inaccurate.

I'm not sure where it gets the developer numbers from, but our development is more active than most of the coins above us, which all have higher numbers.

The community rating is based on reddit subscriptions, facebook likes, and tweets, which means that it counts things we are weak at, and not this forum, which is our strength.  Also it means it doesnt give us much credit for our chinese community.

Finally, the public interest stats are much lower than they should be if you actually look at Alexa or bing search result numbers.

We have updated the Github URL to the correct one now and as a result of that, Bitshares is now ranking #5 on CoinGecko. Congrats to that!

We agree that Reddit, Facebook and Twitter does not give a full reflection of the community support since these services are banned in China and penalizes your community score more strongly than the other coins. I have been impressed by the level of support that you guys have received in China since the beginning. We are exploring other metrics where we can better evaluate community support received for coins. One of the options that we are exploring is forum activity stats. However do give us some time to work on this as this is a massive undertaking for us to collect data for all 161+ coins that we already track.

Quote from: bytemaster on December 14, 2014, 04:17:57 PM

Quote from: bitsharesmarket on December 14, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
If they changed the logo and the homepage (it at least forwards) would be nice as well.

This site is an example of low hanging marketing fruit... if we can get them to update the stats to reflect reality we should be in the top 3.   We should also work to make sure that the information they publish about BitShares is as accurate and up to date as possible.   

Someone should draft a summary and give them the data they should publish about us.

Thank you, Dan for replying to this thread! I feel honored to receive a comment from the leader himself!
We are very open to updating Bitshares information listed on our website as shown in our previous correspondence with Shentist.
Feel free to continue tweeting us @coingecko or do drop us an email at hello @coingecko.com and we will update the information. One thing that I would like to point out is for someone to send us an updated About section for Bitshares if there are any new changes since we last wrote the 2 paragraphs.

Thank you once again for the support that you have shown to us. Look forward to hearing more from you folks via email and our Twitter!

Hi fellow Protoshares holder!

In late-2013, I started curating a weekly altcoin newsletter on the top news stories in the cryptocurrency world to help people stay abreast with the top developments in the digital currency scene. The newsletter has grown very steadily in the past weeks.

I just released Newsletter #6 a few days back. Could you kindly take a look at altcoinweekly.com and offer some feedback on how to improve the newsletters?

I'm looking to feature more Protoshares/Bitshares/Angelshares related content should the right ones appear. Feel free to share your blog posts or articles with me.

Thank you loads!

Cheers,
Bobby

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