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BitShares PTS / Re: Exchanges
« on: January 10, 2014, 01:03:33 pm »
Hello,
   I am researching possible options to invest in PTS at competitive exchange rates and thought I would share my progress with the community, ask a question (or two :).

Unfortunately all the exchanges I have identified that handle PTS leave a lot to be desired. In some cases there are some very serious issues currently being reported en-mass.  Please note that I did this research on Friday January 10, 2014 so if you have used any of the below exchanges before this date without problems, any "it worked for me" replies should take the date into account. Exchanges that have had been working before look like they are currently in trouble so your past experience may not be valid anymore. 

In order of PTS volumes traded since November:

   bter.com :
      Serious issues being alleged upto today Jan 10 2014: failed, frozen and missing deposit and withdrawals allegedly stretching back to early December being reported on various forums/threads.
      No support being widely reported people appear to be very worried about their holdings at this exchange.
         https://startpage.com/do/search?q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+bter.com&lui=english
         http://www.reddit.com/domain/bter.com/

   cryptsy.com :
      Alleged fraud investigation pending in Florida threatens whole site being imminently frozen.
      Also failed, frozen and missing deposit and withdrawals.
      Cryptsy support is reporting that it is currently overwhelmed.
         https://startpage.com/do/search?q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+cryptsy&lui=english
         https://startpage.com/do/search?q=cryptsy+site%3Areddit.com&lui=english

   coins-e :
      Very illiquid almost rules this exchange out. Volume compared to bter almost non-existent.                        
      Not very many other problems being reported compared to the above two exchanges (maybe because no significant numbers of people really use it?).
         https://startpage.com/do/search?q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+coins-e&lui=english
   
Alternatives:
   btc38.com : Chinese only rules this out for me.
   BuyPTS.com : Appears to have a 3-4x premium or more (today 0.055 BTC/PTS vs 0.0178 BTC/PTS)
   Ripple Interchange xrpio.com : CanĀ“t check volume/bids/asks (at least without a funded ripple account - Not sure never used Ripple?).

Other notes: Interesting website for exchange comparisons might be of use to others: http://www.bitcompare.tk/

Question(s):
   Are there any competitive/liquid exchanges or trading methods for PTS?

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Hello,
    I was just doing some research before making any investment decisions in Bitshares and/or related projects. From this thread it appears that there is some bad blood between Invictus Innovations ex-CEO Charles Hoskinson and current CEO Stan Larimer:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325425.60

Unfortunately this reflects badly on *both* the related projects:
   - Invictus Innovations, Inc
   - Next Cryptography Inc and the upcoming Ethereum project: http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html

Sadly it makes it slightly harder to make any investment decisions, so I am looking for some clarifications from anyone with some insight into the matter. It would be a big help to anyone looking to invest in any of these projects, confidence wise - much appreciated.

Some related thoughts/questions:

As the original Bitshares white paper was co-authored by both Stan and Charles , so Ethereum Vs Bitshares are competing products and both born from the same Bitshares white paper - thoughts?
   "Ethereum and some other projects I'm working on are going to completely replace the need for keyhotee and bitshares"
   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325425.msg4285810#msg4285810

There is also this message from one "ravenshore" that suggests a link still exists between Bitshares and Ethereum(?):

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1566.msg17938#msg17938
"Very large design team from the Bitshares, colored coin, and mastercoin communities also some major innovations with the wallet client."
nextcoin

Some references:

Charles Hoskinson:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/charles-hoskinson/29/983/662
"Past: Acting Chief Executive Officer at Invictus Innovations Incorporated"
"Current: Chief Executive Officer at Next Cryptography Inc." : Any relashionship to NXT http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/what-nxt#  ?
Profile on bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102392
Ethereum : http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html

Stan Larimer
These forums :-) https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=611

Bitshares Investor:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/lixiaolai

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