我朋友肯定不会要BITUSD的，肯定是要日元或者人民币。听大家说完后，我的结论是：

第一，要么是等他回国我把钱给他，如果他不急的话。
第二，要么是我还是利用国际汇款的方式给他，如果他马上要的话。

这应该是最好的办法了。

谢谢了~ 希望BTS发展壮大，有一天真的能实现所有的功能。

我有两个问题： 第一，现在的锚定稳定吗，他一定能以1美元对应的价值卖出吗？我一定能以一美元的价格买到吗？

第二，他肯定是要日币的。我发给他的BITＵＳＤ他要怎么换成日币呢？　中间的手续费会不会过大，还不如采取　其他的传统汇款方式呢？

我最近要让日本的朋友帮我在日本买个东西。 我怎么给他进行国际汇款比较方便呢？   3I目前作出的东西能好用吗？

look at the price of BTS.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

What did 3I do recently?

Since some days ago when 3I made the decision for the merger, the price of BTS became shit.

but the most sad thing is that it seems that 3I didn't make too much progress in technology and market? Can anyone say sth about the valuable thing 3I have done in the last two months.  in my eyes, there seems nothing~

And i also really want to know, can anything promised before be realized?

Thanks , 吐司~

I haven't activate all my DNS coins using my AGS\PTS wallet.dat

if i want to get my BTS which are exchanged by DNS, do i have to activate my DNS coins?

Quote from: tonyk on October 23, 2014, 03:15:51 AM

Quote from: Anytime on October 23, 2014, 02:47:17 AM
first of all, I appreciate BM's hard work and the whole team. i just have one question, the plan is unfiar and can it be changed.

the new plan is too good for pre-2.28 AGS holder and those people who bought BTS. and for those PTS holders and AGS donators after 2.28 are really unfair.

the most important thing is that the market has proved that, the allocation plan is unfair, the the price of pts has fallen down a lot(that menas the new plan is not good to PTS holders), the DNS price has fallen down too （that menas the new plan is not good for those people who bought AGS after 2.28, because pre-AGS holders have earned much from BTS and the new plan）

i know 3I have all coins, but that cannot convince the other people the plan is fair, because their proportions on these coins are different, maybe they would be more benefical by this allocation plan.  but the market has already given the answer to the new plan.

i think the allocation plan must be changed. i know pre-2.28 AGS holder and those people who bought BTS would not agree with me, but most of the other people would agree with me. '

i hope BM can reply on me.

Thank you so much and all your hard work.

I will try instead of BM (as he has done it about 30 times already).

He tried an impossible task and he failed - the task being to make all parties involved get more new shares that they logically deserve.

While doing so he had to come up with money to compensate all of those wanting more! He decided that to do so he will be unfairly distributing to himself  and I3.
So the chances are if you have a position very similar to his... you will end up with slight initial disadvantage.

But rest assured, He and I, firmly believe that in the medium and long run we will end up gaining more then the few % points we lost from this 'unsatisfying enough our greed' distribution.

Cheers.

English is not my mother tongue, so sometims i might miss a lot of information and i may not express myself perfectly. and i want to say thanks, but how do you respond to the part, when the suggested plan came out, in the market, the price of BTS increased and the price of PTS and DNS still decreased.  that means the people in the market thinks that the new plan is good for BTS holders, bad for DNS and PTS . That means the suggested allocation plan is unfair, right?

BM, Stan, the same questions for you guys~

my answer is that it has proved the allocation plan is unfair to PTS and DNS holders. now you guys decide to compensate for DNS speculators but not all the holders, i think now it is unfair for PTS holders and DNS long-term holders.

thanks~

Quote from: Stan on October 23, 2014, 03:20:56 AM

Quote from: Anytime on October 23, 2014, 02:47:17 AM
first of all, I appreciate BM's hard work and the whole team. i just have one question, the plan is unfiar and can it be changed.

the new plan is too good for pre-2.28 AGS holder and those people who bought BTS. and for those PTS holders and AGS donators after 2.28 are really unfair.

the most important thing is that the market has proved that, the allocation plan is unfair, the the price of pts has fallen down a lot(that menas the new plan is not good to PTS holders), the DNS price has fallen down too （that menas the new plan is not good for those people who bought AGS after 2.28, because pre-AGS holders have earned much from BTS and the new plan）

i know 3I have all coins, but that cannot convince the other people the plan is fair, because their proportions on these coins are different, maybe they would be more benefical by this allocation plan.  but the market has already given the answer to the new plan.

i think the allocation plan must be changed. i know pre-2.28 AGS holder and those people who bought BTS would not agree with me, but most of the other people would agree with me. '

i hope BM can reply on me.

Thank you so much and all your hard work.

Bytemaster has thought very deeply about the many factors to be considered and he recognizes that there are many different ways of weighting what different people would consider fair.

He put on his different hats, one at a time, as a large stakeholder in each group and asked himself what would be the minimum reasonable deal he could live with (not be happy with) in each group. 

He weighed things like market cap, liquidity, risk taken, future potential, likely overlapping membership in other categories, negotiations with each individual developers, an so on.  (For example, AGSers in the first 60 days paid much more for their AGS than those in the last 140 days, but got huge BTSX value while the latter donators took a huge risk right at the time of highest doubts about whether we would ever succeed at anything but got really cheap AGS credits.)  PTS holders had much more flexibility the whole time.  And so on.

Then he took a deep breath and generated a mix that put every group above their minimums using his best judgment.

In his opinion, every group got a good deal even though every group might not be exactly the same depending on which set of metrics one might choose.  By changing metrics you can change which group appears to have benefited most and it is not possible to generate a solution that comes out the same for every set of metrics.

So he used his best judgment based on his deep understanding of all issues and his desire to do right by everyone who has supported our efforts.

After the proposal he listened to hundreds of arguments from every point of view looking for any considerations that were so compelling that it would be worth putting the whole community through another round of bickering if he should change it.  He only found one:  the issue with people who bought into DNS at a high price just before  his announcement.  He used our supply of DNS to compensate them rather than perturb the fragile deal with any changes.

Finally, it is up to each developer to decide what mix of PTS and AGS to honor and with how much.  And it is up to each holder to decide whether to be grateful or resentful without doing the oh-too-human weakness of envying the deal someone else got.

Since the results of this past week's innovations have yielded a hugely more competitive DAC that can only be hurt by more controversy about how to divide the spoils of victory, it is unlikely that BM will reopen the whole can of worms again.

We hope that everyone will look around them at the powerful shiny new starship they have boarded and resist arguing about whether someone else has a better seat.  We are all going to get to the moons of Antares III at the same time.

Thanks for understanding.  This was not easy.

i understand it is hard, too complicated, and no one could make a perfect solution.so i think you and your whole team and Bm are good.  and as an individual investor, i have nothing to do but listen to you guys.  i have nothing to do, but to accept the plan. if i leave now, the coin price has already falledn down greatly, it is not a good timing.

i think the whole team did your best, and you guys should not be blamed, but this plan indeed is not a very good one, it sucks, and the market has proved my point. PTS holders also lose a lot of money, including long-term DNS holders, but they cannot get any compensations?????????? dissapointed!  i have nothing to say, because i have nothing which i can do about. 

hope things will get better.  i still think you are good now. at least, you guys are really honest and sincere. really love your attitude of talking about everyting with the stupid investors like me.

Thank you guys, hope everything will be fine in the next several years.

My PTS wallet cannot be installed in the computer, windows 8.1 (i know some window8.1 can , but not my computer. the install program still have some problems, i tried to figured out this question and asked for help on this forum, but it can not be solved), and since i thought i should hold DNS for a long time just like AGS, PTS, BTS, because i am a long-term supporter.

however, the result is that BM is going to compensate some speculators, not the long-term supporters?????????????????
i feel really dissappointed.

BM only tries to kiss ass to the new comers, but not our long-term supporters.  this happened many times. a little frustrated and very dissappointed.  3I could use the money do whatever they want and do not need us to vote for the advice, is this community consensus????????????????

Thanks, can 3I team member answer me this.

first of all, I appreciate BM's hard work and the whole team. i just have one question, the plan is unfiar and can it be changed.

the new plan is too good for pre-2.28 AGS holder and those people who bought BTS. and for those PTS holders and AGS donators after 2.28 are really unfair.

the most important thing is that the market has proved that, the allocation plan is unfair, the the price of pts has fallen down a lot(that menas the new plan is not good to PTS holders), the DNS price has fallen down too （that menas the new plan is not good for those people who bought AGS after 2.28, because pre-AGS holders have earned much from BTS and the new plan）

i know 3I have all coins, but that cannot convince the other people the plan is fair, because their proportions on these coins are different, maybe they would be more benefical by this allocation plan.  but the market has already given the answer to the new plan.

i think the allocation plan must be changed. i know pre-2.28 AGS holder and those people who bought BTS would not agree with me, but most of the other people would agree with me. '

i hope BM can reply on me.

Thank you so much and all your hard work.

Quote from: bytemaster on October 22, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
I confess... I am a bug.  I have many buggy ideas, and imperfectly implement my vision...

*PLEASE* help me fix this bug... anyone...

the Change is good. but I dislike about the allocation plan, and i think it is unfair for PTS and DNS holders. i hate the recent down trend of the coin price. i think this event hurt many people's hearts. i think you should really rethink about the allocation plan, it is really unfair.

but, i think BM you are right for what you did. you deserve some praise for what you did. just come on and don't be bothered by someone's mean words. i think at least now, you deserve everyone's  respect.

i think in order to build a great business, there would be a lot of sacrifices. many people may be dead on the way. therefore, change is a good thing. i think the whole process would also happen in the initiative phase in Apple or Facebook.

i think at least now, you did a satisfying job from my own perspective. i am always quite worried about the future of 3I and the whole thing, but i still think there is some hope and that is why i hold all four assets  PTS AGS BTS and DNS.  i think i would choose to believe you and your team could really make sth innovative and invaluable.

Just focus on your thing. i hope you could be heros someday and all of us could be rich men, especailly you and your team members.

Quote from: Stan on October 20, 2014, 01:37:20 AM
We are long-time PTS holders ourselves.  Check out our public PTS donation holdings from AGS - Still held there to lay golden eggs for the future.

But consider this:  If BTS were to inherit that egg-laying capability from its AGS/PTS parents, then the ability to lay golden eggs would be yet ANOTHER contribution to the BTS value proposition.  All DACs that want to join the ecosystem but not the blockchain can still honor BTS and get the increasingly powerful community's enthusiastic support.

Just like bringing in any other merger to grow the value of all shares, adding AGS and PTS adds their value to BTS directly. 

Now you can own a profitable killer DAC AND have a position on the mailing list for targeting by third party DACs as well.

Why, this is a proverbial self-licking ice cream cone!

Stan, HI~
i saw the news in Bic38 that the allocation plan is that： BTS 80%   the rest 20%  PTS AGS DNS VOTE 7 7 3 3
I think the whole thing is a good idea, but the allocation part is not very good.
it is too good for the BTS and AGS holders, especially for those who donated big money to AGS before 2\28.

Thanks for the market, because it has proved my point: the BTS price has some increase, however, the PTS has fallen to shit,  DNS has decreased to the ground. if the allocation plan is everyone's vote result, i have nothing to say, but it is decided by just a few people in 3I team. is this fair？ the market said, no, it is really unfair to PTS and DNS holders.

i think it is more fair that PTS and DNS holders should be given more and i think even they are given more, the BTS and AGS holders still are more profitable.

so, please, change the allocation plan and make it more sensible.

in the past, PTS can have thrid party DAC and can be tradebale, and that is why it is usually more expensive than AGS.
now, AGS can also be tradeable, so AGS should not be equal with PTS, 

PTS should be given more, like  PTS: 9,  AGS: 5  (i think DNS 3  VOTE 3 is OK) .

i don't quite understand Dan's new plan, but i feel that it is a nice idea. and i appreciate your hard work!

does the new idea mean that in the future, BTS holders could get the new DACs just like today's PTS? and AGS can be tradable just like PTS?

i feel that the new plan is too good for BTS holders and AGS holders, especially for those donated AGS before Feb.28th, because they have AGS and a lot of BTS.    however, people who hold PTS for a long time since the beginning feel it is unfair. they did not get a lot of benefits from BTS snapshot, at least much less than AGS holders. and now, again, they are a worse investment.  what do you think,3I?  or is there sth i couldn't understand it very well?

Thank you for your hard work for always~ but the market seems not very satisfying. the dream of BTS 500 dollars 妥妥的，10x, never buy in such a price, etc seem not be ture in a near future.  :)

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