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BEOS / Re: BitShares EOS (BEOS) Launches - Get Yours
« on: June 26, 2019, 08:42:40 pm »
Quote from: iamredbar on June 22, 2019, 07:48:49 pm
Who controls the BPs for BEOS?

During rainfall there are several nodes/bps that are under the BLCA control, after rainfall the BP's will be elected by BEOS holders from a BP pool that has been vetted by the BLCA.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] DEVCON @ World Crypto Con (WCC)
« on: May 30, 2019, 06:01:48 pm »
Quote from: @healingvibes on May 29, 2019, 03:36:25 am
Quote from: xeroc on May 27, 2019, 03:28:52 pm
Before making this a thing, maybe we should have a discussion about
* who would go their an man a booth?
* who's available to answer questions during the hackathon?
* what topics are good and easy to being with for a hackathon?

And most importantly, what does it cost to provide the above (additionally to the 25k fee).

Since I can't make it, I would recommend the community looks into finding someone capable of managing/providing the above.
It would be a shame to put 25k into a hackathon package only to then not be able to provide the necessary side-support during the event.

Anyone up to it?

Great points @xeroc I agree we should build this in...I had set aside an extra 160 hours for the NA BTS conference (for planning, management logistics and coverage of the event itself) and now that we are combining the proposals with DEV CON, I think we should add more hours and a higher budget so we can get more potential compensated participation from the community.

Personally, I can help with being a point of contact on the ground for any devs or otherwise that would be attending and even be a warm body if needed in the event itself. Those who are available/veterans would be the best candidates and should get first dibs.

Thanks for weighing in on this!

I will be there to assist with managing, coordinating, etc. I am also from Las Vegas, so I can help with questions on accomidations and entertainment, etc.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] DEVCON @ World Crypto Con (WCC)
« on: May 28, 2019, 01:51:38 pm »
Quote from: sschiessl on May 27, 2019, 04:03:37 pm
Is this meant as a Hackathon sponsored by BitShares (aka we provide ideas and interesting topics and others code), or that we as BitShares participate in the Hackathon (aka we need 5 devs to go there and code)?

Both.  As of now Fox stated he was going to the Greek conference during the same weekend, we were going to bring Jonothon Bahai and Dan Notestien. The other members can be devs or not, I think if we could find 1 more developer to attend as a part of the team it would be well rounded.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] DEVCON @ World Crypto Con (WCC)
« on: May 25, 2019, 02:19:57 pm »
I think this is great. The WCC staff is very interested in Bitshares taking the lead on the Devconn, with the topic of it being inoperability between chains, and how blockchains can work together to reduce tribalism and increase adoption.

Support fully.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« on: May 24, 2019, 08:25:24 pm »
Quote from: Bangzi on May 23, 2019, 10:53:05 pm
+5% +5% +5%

Much appreciated. We want this event to be an awesome and enlightening experience.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« on: May 24, 2019, 07:08:53 pm »
Quote from: BTSMoon on May 24, 2019, 08:23:27 am
Support. Filming?

Yes we will film for sure. Looking into livestream options as well for those that cannot make it in person.

Thanks for your support!

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« on: May 24, 2019, 07:08:05 pm »
Quote from: sschiessl on May 24, 2019, 05:10:00 am
Thanks for the answers. I take it that the answer for B) then is that there is no escrow? I'm not asking this to be annoying, I'm asking this considering the background and what would benefit the worker the most imo.

Here are more comments :)

1. The pro forma mentions costs and possible incomes. Can you please state clearly what the maximum budget required from the blockchain?
2. You talk about Keynote, does that mean BitShares will be able to present a Keynote at WCC?
3. You mention DEVCON that is supposed to be happening at the same time. What is the difference, and are there any details known?
4. Will you be seeking sponsors, and if so would that reduce the amount that will be taken from the blockchain similar to DevCon?

EDIT: Because it just popped in my head in the other marketing worker: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28444.msg330767#msg330767

5. How will the invoicing happen? I would hate to see VAT appearing that is then being billed to the blockchain. Did you look into this by any chance already? If you are confident that will not be the case, disregard this  last question please.

Answers posted in OP as an update.

Side note - Yes on sponsors as well, in which case those funds would offset any cost to the blockchain.

The entire conference is Bitshares based - so a lot of speakers and keynotes will take place. We aim for this to be a very well rounded event for the entire Bitshares community.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« on: May 24, 2019, 12:13:22 am »
EVOLV staff just relayed to us:

We also have a global press release going out regarding the events participating in Vegas Blockchain Week and we would like to include the NA Bitshares event. It just may not give you enough time to get approval. We’re releasing on May 31st and need to have it in Monday so it can be translated in all languages.

They are also willing to work with us on a deposit amount versus the full balance in order for us to secure the venue and advertise.

They really like graphene and Bitshares and are willing to work with us.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« on: May 23, 2019, 09:51:58 pm »
Currently John Conlin (Committee), Jonathon Bahai, Aaron Mangal, Myself, and Dan Notestien.

Aaron is a long time BTS community member and has attended WCC in the past. He has also done content for BTS, including this: https://coincentral.com/what-is-bitshares/

Currently Aaron is managing the pre-WP. John was going to manage the other Devconn WP being posted that will be happening in conjunction with the WCC event.

Right now the budget required via the pro-forma is posted in the OP, showing a net profit from the event if those numbers are hit, even when adding in team expenses.

pro forma = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kSRQ6GGvXfVoucdyWWRQMyNq-ulQDjwa/view?usp=sharing


Since ticket sales will be occurring at same time payout from worker is going on, I would propose we end worker once it breaks even (with a cushion for team expense) so worker funds for other projects are not affected, and any additional income being placed in holding for the next conference.

We are not guaranteed to hit those numbers, I think that the price should be around $197.00.

Timing is good since we have 5 full months to promote for it.





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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« on: May 23, 2019, 06:50:37 pm »
Ticket prices can be increased in my opinion to $197.00 - then only 200 tickets would need to be sold. WCC - EVOLV will also promote ticket sales to our event.

The event space can hold 500-600 people depending on setup, so if tickets do well they can be accommodated. The space is 5,000 sf, and can be doubled if needed.

Live stream tickets may also potentially be sold to the event, but only after attendee ticket sales reach a certain point to cover costs, unless we think livestream sales can get it there.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Pre-Proposal] North American BitShares Conference
« on: May 23, 2019, 06:46:42 pm »





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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 20, 2019, 09:10:10 pm »
Quote from: alt on May 20, 2019, 08:52:24 pm
Quote from: onceuponatime on May 20, 2019, 10:56:02 am
BEOS is not "robbing" anything or anyone. Participating BTS shareholders are voluntarily giving their voting power to BEOS so that BEOS is enabled to integrate with bitshares. This will open up bitshares to the larger EOS community and bring value to both bitshares and BEOS.
what's your meanning about "they need voting power to enabled to integrate with bitshares"?
will this not be approved by other bitshares holders?
did this include vote in dead witness?
did this include vote in nobody known's commiittee?
did this include vote out others who didn't show loyal to stan?
All bull shit.
and this is why BEOS and the peoples who supportted BEOS's bull shit will lost my support.

Basically to put in a WP to integrate BEOS with BTS. Yes it will have to be approved by the BTS community.

We are voting in many witnesses that have shown interest or previous community witnesses that may be interested in coming back to BTS. We have had several good discussions with BP's as of late and hope to use our votes to further decentralize the witness structure.

What nobody knowns? We all know that the evangelist account is my committee account and godfather is stans. Other members of the community have different accounts for witness/bp/committee versus their personal accounts. No secret and not unknown.

Last - many people being voted for are not loyal to stan, some are eben outright HOSTILE to Stan, myself and BEOS - yet we continue to vote for them. So that negates that premise.


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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 19, 2019, 03:11:26 pm »
Quote from: ioex on May 19, 2019, 03:00:17 pm
Ok , I don’t know the agreement is stated in advance,I apologize for my mistakes.

No problem, pm me on telegram when your node is running smooth and tested on testnet. If you need help with Price feeds I can point you in the right direction.

We look forward to supporting a lot more decentralization in governance and bp's.

Sometimes you need some centralization in order to implement decentralized agenda's.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 19, 2019, 02:54:19 pm »
Quote from: ioex on May 19, 2019, 02:48:46 pm
Are you talking about BEOS?
I think the boes account shouldn’t vote, it just hold others’ BTS, and holders don’t give vote rights to beos!

Actually, they agree to it in the member agreement.

You didn't have a problem asking for BEOS to vote for you here:

Quote from: ioex on May 04, 2019, 02:13:53 pm
Quote from: Stan on May 04, 2019, 01:03:43 pm
https://steemit.com/beos/@steem-samiam/beos-at-sea-7
Hi, could you vote witness ioex ?

And we actually did look and put in a vote but it appears you were missing blocks. Fix it and we might vote again and give you a chance to prove yourself as a witness.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 19, 2019, 02:43:19 pm »
I have quite a bit to say in response, but I will let Daniel Larimer answer for me.


EOS - Dan Msg Only, [16.05.19 07:44]
No. The issue is any post launch decisions made by any means other than chain splits like bitcoin cash violates token some buyers expectations. So a network must be committed to immutability or it is fundamentally governed by minority of influencers. Governance isn’t bad, it has a place.  The problem is those who want every solution to solve every problem

Replying to:
 >  Voting buying is the biggest issue

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1186778)


EOS - Dan Msg Only, [16.05.19 18:17]
The purpose of bp is to decentralize decisions on protocol updates and censorship resistance and generally scaling trx processing.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1187700)


Regarding the BEOS model of semi centralization/governance (BEOS holders still vote with their stake):


EOS - Dan Msg Only, [16.05.19 18:17]
The purpose of bp is to decentralize decisions on protocol updates and censorship resistance and generally scaling trx processing.

Chains can be centralized and have value. Especially in a multichain world.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156174)

Centralized chains in good hands can grow faster and carry on creators vision.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156181)

Decentralized chains slow to a crawl.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156182)

My point is don’t hate on centralized systems unless they become monopoly scale.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156186)

Everything is decentralized in a competitive market

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156187)

Remember you are centralized

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156189)

Decentralization is a tool not a goal in itself

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156190)

This. Plus with public accountability .

Replying to:
 >  we trust companies to run databases but the thought of one running a private blockchain makes people go nuts. who cares if someone wants to fork EOS and run all the BP's themselves? average users wont give a shit about that. they'll care about the dapps and services.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156195)


If you want real companies doing mass adoption scale things with real investors under government regulation then they need control over the platform that they build.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156199)

You might kill it too young.

Replying to:
 >  Is it necessary for us to hate so it doesn't become monopoly scale?

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156200)

Basically people don’t want to go to jail

So hating them for creating something is misguided

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156203)

I think we need systems that are more decentralized than bitcoin, eos, and eth. I also think we need more centralized solutions too.  I’m working toward enabling both sides to scale.

🔗 Context 🔗 (http://t.me/EOSproject/1156214)


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