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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 比特股星探（Bitshares MUSIC中国"姐妹版"）
« on: March 25, 2015, 09:04:23 am »
很棒的想法，但是成功的关键还是执行，希望有想法有这方面渠道资源的朋友可以尽快和我们DACx联系。
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Stakeholder Proposals / DACx 100% delegates proposal: dacx.baozou
« on: January 18, 2015, 12:28:14 pm »
Hey everyone. Long time no see. I am James Gong, aslo known as Baozou (Rampaging Prince Gong) in the Chinese community.
Recently there is a lot of focus on the business of payment through cryptocurrency, though I see great potential in international payment through cryptocurrency, I still believe it will not stimulate large-scale personal demand for any application to have a sustainable growth. However the need to raise capital and to invest is there every day and numerous barriers to go from Angel, to VC, to PE and securities regulatory committee is a process only few can scrape through, if my team and I manage to shorten the tunnel and lower the cost, it would really solve problems and create values to the world.
On November 19th, the Chinese Premier Li Keqiang held the state executive conference of the state council, demanding to construct a speed micro-finance system in the capital market and first proposed a pilot program of "equity crowdfunding". In China, in order to get listed, companies need to go through years of complex procedures and limits, causing the small and medium sized companies' difficulties in capital raising, which explained a lot why all these crowdfunding platforms mushroomed in the past year. My team and I are pushing forward our own crowdfunding platform DACx, in the hope to take crowdfunding platforms to the next step: the facilitation of exit after investment.
The liquidity of capital is what investors care about the most, if an investment has very limited exit channels, or worse, when the investors are not sure how to get out later, they will not even consider this particular investment. The exit of investors is a demanding, time-sensitive and very hard job to be done. Any centralized exchange that is yet approved by the government would face huge pressure and legal risks, as evidenced in the last couple attempts occurred in China with the ending of none standing still. However, the block chain technology offers unprecedented opportunities as it will belong to no country and it has no centralized servers or operational institutions to be destroyed.
Hence, what DACx is different from all the uprising crowdfunding programs in and outside of our crypto-currency world, is that DACx not only offers platform that allows investors throughout the world to easily give in for programs on a decentralized crypto-asset platform, it gives investors the right to exit from the first day, and this might be first in the history. This feature might also attract traditional VCs and PEs as they need to go through an extended period of time in roder to get back their investment. Furthermore, liquidity adds more value to the shares. The prices of shares that can be traded in an open market is a world different from those that are not. A quick look into the legal persons’ shares or the price gap between PTS and AGS can help with the picture here.
DACx has done a thorough research on protocols of the decentralized crypto-assets and came to the conclusion that BitShares can best suit our purposes. First of all, on BitShares, it's easy to issue BTA (BitAssets) that can be traded globally on the decentralized built-in exchange based on the block chain technology. Secondly, BitShares holders formed a caring and hardworking community that passed many real-world tests in the process of its development. Furthermore, the circulation of BitCNY and BitUSD and other BitAssets that are pegged to its fiat counterparties made BitShares even more ideal for a global crowdfunding technology. Because investors would hardly invest using a crypto-currency like Bitcoin that is notoriously volatile, because despite all of its benefits including the convenience when making international transactions, as then they would be facing a complicated combination of two risks. BitCNY and BitUSD come in very handy in this situation as first, the investment and settlement can be done in the traditional sense of fiat currency and the value carried by them could still flow all around the world barrier-free and second, acceptance dealers would allow investors to invest without really holding a geeky wallet thus welcoming more people who are not familiar with the cryptocurrency idea.
After the crowdfunding process, investors can trade their shares on the decentralized built-in exchange on the first day. For DACx, it would serve as a supporting platform for small and medium sized companies, various projects and programs to meet their investors of a spectrum of capital size. For BitShares, DACx will take the most advantage of the protocol, profoundly promote its brand and usage.
That is why DACx will help traditional companies to issue their own shares using the BitShares technology. We have already launched the crowdfunding of the first project "BitShares PLAY" on our platform, raising more than 2,500,000 RMB in the first week. In order to legally protect our investors we need fundraisers to transfer their shares or rights to earnings to be held in trust of a equity trust company who will release issue BTA. In this case, the legal share holder of the shares given out to investors is the equity trust company, who will claim all the rights of investors.
Standing from this point of view, we believe this has a shot of becoming the killer app of the block chain. To simplify capital raising and investment in a global scale will be truly extraordinary. Fundraising globally is not a novelty in the industry of mining, but it remains too geeky to the outside world. DACx seeks to standardize and simplify the whole process to benefit more with the invention of the block chain technology by making this inside game a smooth channel for funding for more in need.
DACx will be serving the role of investment banks, providing financial service and solution package. Since DACx itself is not an exchange, so it will not bear too many legal controversies, and at the same time upon the advice of our legal team, DACx will follow the case of ADR to provide a BDR (Bit Depositary Receipt’s) to crowdfund in order to avoid unnecessary legal problems.
This project has jumpstarted in our office that is based in Xintiandi, Shanghai since last year after we got our seed investment from a world famous VC. The team consists of experts in the cryptocurrency industry, professionals from traditional investment banks like Merrill Lynch and seasoned legal team in the crypto-financial services.
On behalf of DACx, I've made the decision to run for 100% delegate. Beginning from the translation of BitShares whitepaper, I have been a believer and a promoter till now, and now combined with DACx team's contribution, what our coherent would do for the promotion and devleopment of Bitshares will be even greater in every endeavor in a very long time. I wish for the support from the community.
None of what we are trying to do can happen without the contribution of the whole community and the BitShares technology. I'd like to express my sincere gratitude.
Our Delegate: dacx.baozou
Recently there is a lot of focus on the business of payment through cryptocurrency, though I see great potential in international payment through cryptocurrency, I still believe it will not stimulate large-scale personal demand for any application to have a sustainable growth. However the need to raise capital and to invest is there every day and numerous barriers to go from Angel, to VC, to PE and securities regulatory committee is a process only few can scrape through, if my team and I manage to shorten the tunnel and lower the cost, it would really solve problems and create values to the world.
On November 19th, the Chinese Premier Li Keqiang held the state executive conference of the state council, demanding to construct a speed micro-finance system in the capital market and first proposed a pilot program of "equity crowdfunding". In China, in order to get listed, companies need to go through years of complex procedures and limits, causing the small and medium sized companies' difficulties in capital raising, which explained a lot why all these crowdfunding platforms mushroomed in the past year. My team and I are pushing forward our own crowdfunding platform DACx, in the hope to take crowdfunding platforms to the next step: the facilitation of exit after investment.
The liquidity of capital is what investors care about the most, if an investment has very limited exit channels, or worse, when the investors are not sure how to get out later, they will not even consider this particular investment. The exit of investors is a demanding, time-sensitive and very hard job to be done. Any centralized exchange that is yet approved by the government would face huge pressure and legal risks, as evidenced in the last couple attempts occurred in China with the ending of none standing still. However, the block chain technology offers unprecedented opportunities as it will belong to no country and it has no centralized servers or operational institutions to be destroyed.
Hence, what DACx is different from all the uprising crowdfunding programs in and outside of our crypto-currency world, is that DACx not only offers platform that allows investors throughout the world to easily give in for programs on a decentralized crypto-asset platform, it gives investors the right to exit from the first day, and this might be first in the history. This feature might also attract traditional VCs and PEs as they need to go through an extended period of time in roder to get back their investment. Furthermore, liquidity adds more value to the shares. The prices of shares that can be traded in an open market is a world different from those that are not. A quick look into the legal persons’ shares or the price gap between PTS and AGS can help with the picture here.
DACx has done a thorough research on protocols of the decentralized crypto-assets and came to the conclusion that BitShares can best suit our purposes. First of all, on BitShares, it's easy to issue BTA (BitAssets) that can be traded globally on the decentralized built-in exchange based on the block chain technology. Secondly, BitShares holders formed a caring and hardworking community that passed many real-world tests in the process of its development. Furthermore, the circulation of BitCNY and BitUSD and other BitAssets that are pegged to its fiat counterparties made BitShares even more ideal for a global crowdfunding technology. Because investors would hardly invest using a crypto-currency like Bitcoin that is notoriously volatile, because despite all of its benefits including the convenience when making international transactions, as then they would be facing a complicated combination of two risks. BitCNY and BitUSD come in very handy in this situation as first, the investment and settlement can be done in the traditional sense of fiat currency and the value carried by them could still flow all around the world barrier-free and second, acceptance dealers would allow investors to invest without really holding a geeky wallet thus welcoming more people who are not familiar with the cryptocurrency idea.
After the crowdfunding process, investors can trade their shares on the decentralized built-in exchange on the first day. For DACx, it would serve as a supporting platform for small and medium sized companies, various projects and programs to meet their investors of a spectrum of capital size. For BitShares, DACx will take the most advantage of the protocol, profoundly promote its brand and usage.
That is why DACx will help traditional companies to issue their own shares using the BitShares technology. We have already launched the crowdfunding of the first project "BitShares PLAY" on our platform, raising more than 2,500,000 RMB in the first week. In order to legally protect our investors we need fundraisers to transfer their shares or rights to earnings to be held in trust of a equity trust company who will release issue BTA. In this case, the legal share holder of the shares given out to investors is the equity trust company, who will claim all the rights of investors.
Standing from this point of view, we believe this has a shot of becoming the killer app of the block chain. To simplify capital raising and investment in a global scale will be truly extraordinary. Fundraising globally is not a novelty in the industry of mining, but it remains too geeky to the outside world. DACx seeks to standardize and simplify the whole process to benefit more with the invention of the block chain technology by making this inside game a smooth channel for funding for more in need.
DACx will be serving the role of investment banks, providing financial service and solution package. Since DACx itself is not an exchange, so it will not bear too many legal controversies, and at the same time upon the advice of our legal team, DACx will follow the case of ADR to provide a BDR (Bit Depositary Receipt’s) to crowdfund in order to avoid unnecessary legal problems.
This project has jumpstarted in our office that is based in Xintiandi, Shanghai since last year after we got our seed investment from a world famous VC. The team consists of experts in the cryptocurrency industry, professionals from traditional investment banks like Merrill Lynch and seasoned legal team in the crypto-financial services.
On behalf of DACx, I've made the decision to run for 100% delegate. Beginning from the translation of BitShares whitepaper, I have been a believer and a promoter till now, and now combined with DACx team's contribution, what our coherent would do for the promotion and devleopment of Bitshares will be even greater in every endeavor in a very long time. I wish for the support from the community.
None of what we are trying to do can happen without the contribution of the whole community and the BitShares technology. I'd like to express my sincere gratitude.
Our Delegate: dacx.baozou
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中文 (Chinese) / DACx高级受托人竞选
« on: January 17, 2015, 11:21:39 am »
大家好，很久不见，我是暴走恭亲王。
11月19日，国务院总理李克强主持召开国务院常务会议，要求建立资本市场小额再融资快速机制，并首次提出“开展股权众筹融资试点”。在中国这个上市之路必经数年繁琐程序，还有数量控制的现状下，上市非常困难，而中小型公司的融资渠道非常有限，这也就是这两年来如雨后春笋般兴起众筹平台的由来。我和我的团队现在正在着手推进的众筹平台DACx（www.DACx.com），希望比传统众筹平台更进一步，关注所有的投资者考虑的首要问题——投资后的退出。
投资者退出，这也是目前众筹企业最需要解决却很难解决的。流动性是许多投资者最为关注的，如果投资很难退出甚至退出方式都不明确，许多投资者是不会考虑的。而如果要提供一个未经认证的股权交易市场就会引起法律问题。任何中心化的且未经政府允许的股权交易所市场都会面临空前的压力，可以看到几乎所有的中心化市场探索都已经被摧毁。但是区块链技术给我们提供了一个巨大的机会，一个基于区块链技术是完全不属于任何的国家，也没有任何中心化的服务器或者运营机构可以被轻易摧毁。
因此，DACx和传统、甚至这两年新兴的各类圈内和圈外的众筹项目所不同的是，DACx不仅利用去中心化的数字资产平台给融资的项目提供全球的融资平台，还给投资者第一天就能获得退出的机会，这是史无前例的。传统VC、PE在投资后都需要经历很长的时期才能获得退出，鼓励投资者投资的最佳方式，就是增加资金的流动性。而流动性本身就能够获得更多的溢价，一个不能流通的股份和可以流通的股份之间的价格是不一样的，这一点接触过法人股或者了解PTS和AGS区别的朋友肯定深有体会。
DACx考察了目前已可使用的去中心化数字资产平台，觉得到目前为止BitShares是最能够符合我们的要求。首先BitShares能够非常容易的发布BTA（数字资产），并且有个基于区块链技术的去中心化交易平台。良好的社区和长时间的运行都增强了我们的信心。让我们能够下决心的就是BitCNY和BitUSD，你会很难想象投资者会使用一种有着巨大汇率波动的货币来投资股票，这意味着他每时每刻都要计算两种风险。而通过BitCNY或BitUSD，让投资者通过法币就能够进行投资和结算，并且承兑商能够让投资者不需要下载钱包就可以进行投资，否则这种投资方式是很难让普通人接受的。
DACx会帮助传统公司利用BitShares的技术发行自己的Shares，在众筹结束后，投资者第一天就能在Bitshares内置的去中心化交易市场里进行交易。对于DACx这个项目来说，它将成为广受中小型企业、各类项目以及不同资金量级的投资人汇合的支持平台，而对于BitShares而言，DACx将最大程度地发挥它的优势，极大地提高BitShares的品牌知名度和使用度。除了它发行资产的功能外，去中心化的交易所可以很好地避免可能会出现的法律障碍，而锚定真实货币价格的BitAsset，如BitCNY, BitUSD等可以在保障价值的前提下，让资金更好地全球流动。目前，在今年1月5日我们已经开始了第一个项目BitShares PLAY的众筹。
为了能在现有法律框架之内保护投资者，我们需要融资者在法律上将出让的股权或者收益权转让给股权托管公司，然后由托管公司来发行BTA。这样托管公司就是法律意义上真正的股东，可以代替购买BTA的投资者来主张所有权益。但是同现有金融系统的作用一样，代持公司并不能保证融资项目一定成功或者确保融资者不会有欺诈的行为的，但能够确保一旦发生违法犯罪的情况能够在现有法律框架内进行解决。
目前数字货币社区的许多人都把注意力集中在支付领域，尽管我也认为数字货币在跨国支付上有着巨大的潜力，但是时至今日我们发现这样大规模的个人需求还没有被创造出来（有人会说企业外贸，但是无论是在量还是企业手续方面，比特币并不是很好的选择），特别是比特币价格的巨大震荡会让许多人都有疑虑。但是融资和投资的需求却是每一分钟都是真实存在的，而传统的投融资渠道是冗长且昂贵的，从天使到VC，再从PE到证监会，从一级市场到二级市场，这其中无数的艰险只有走过的人才能体会，如果我能够让这条路缩短，打通投融资的渠道和成本，那就真的是为社会解决问题从而创造价值。
从这一点来看，这也许是区块链技术的杀手级应用，让投融资变得如此简单，并且通过数字货币让覆盖面从单一国家变成全球。全球融资这在矿机领域我们已经看到许多，但是对于圈外来说这依旧是太过于极客化，DACx希望能够将整体流程标准化，简单化，让这不仅仅是社区内的游戏，而是让圈外的人可以用圈外的钱来投资圈外的项目。让更多的人能真正体会到区块链技术将会给世界带来的变化。
当然对于DACx而言，他在这个生态领域中扮演的是一个投行的角色，提供的金融咨询服务和解决方案，我们本身并不是交易所，所以DACx本身不会有任何的法律问题，并且根据律师提供的专业意见，DACx按照ADR的方式提供的是一种BDR众筹（Bit Depositary Receipts，数字权益凭证），由此来避开许多没有必要的法律问题。
这个项目在2014年下半年就开始启动，我们团队已经获得了全球知名VC千万级的投资，在上海新天地的办公室开始了我们的创业之路。我们团队中有不少来自于数字货币的专家，还有来自美林等知名投行的金融资深人士，还包括全国对数字货币最熟悉的专业律师。
在此我代表DACx出来竞选百分百delegate， 是希望能够获得社区更多的支持，从我本人最初开始对比特股的推广所做的努力，到DACx将会对BitShares的在方方面面的推动，我想社区的诸位伙伴们一定可以料想这种紧密连贯的努力为BitShares在很长一段时间之内将会注入很强的动力。我们之所以能够做到这些，和如今羽翼渐渐丰满的BitShares技术以及社区的共同的努力是分不开的，在此也表示我的感谢。
我们的Delegate: dacx.baozou
你的支持对我们很重要，谢谢！
11月19日，国务院总理李克强主持召开国务院常务会议，要求建立资本市场小额再融资快速机制，并首次提出“开展股权众筹融资试点”。在中国这个上市之路必经数年繁琐程序，还有数量控制的现状下，上市非常困难，而中小型公司的融资渠道非常有限，这也就是这两年来如雨后春笋般兴起众筹平台的由来。我和我的团队现在正在着手推进的众筹平台DACx（www.DACx.com），希望比传统众筹平台更进一步，关注所有的投资者考虑的首要问题——投资后的退出。
投资者退出，这也是目前众筹企业最需要解决却很难解决的。流动性是许多投资者最为关注的，如果投资很难退出甚至退出方式都不明确，许多投资者是不会考虑的。而如果要提供一个未经认证的股权交易市场就会引起法律问题。任何中心化的且未经政府允许的股权交易所市场都会面临空前的压力，可以看到几乎所有的中心化市场探索都已经被摧毁。但是区块链技术给我们提供了一个巨大的机会，一个基于区块链技术是完全不属于任何的国家，也没有任何中心化的服务器或者运营机构可以被轻易摧毁。
因此，DACx和传统、甚至这两年新兴的各类圈内和圈外的众筹项目所不同的是，DACx不仅利用去中心化的数字资产平台给融资的项目提供全球的融资平台，还给投资者第一天就能获得退出的机会，这是史无前例的。传统VC、PE在投资后都需要经历很长的时期才能获得退出，鼓励投资者投资的最佳方式，就是增加资金的流动性。而流动性本身就能够获得更多的溢价，一个不能流通的股份和可以流通的股份之间的价格是不一样的，这一点接触过法人股或者了解PTS和AGS区别的朋友肯定深有体会。
DACx考察了目前已可使用的去中心化数字资产平台，觉得到目前为止BitShares是最能够符合我们的要求。首先BitShares能够非常容易的发布BTA（数字资产），并且有个基于区块链技术的去中心化交易平台。良好的社区和长时间的运行都增强了我们的信心。让我们能够下决心的就是BitCNY和BitUSD，你会很难想象投资者会使用一种有着巨大汇率波动的货币来投资股票，这意味着他每时每刻都要计算两种风险。而通过BitCNY或BitUSD，让投资者通过法币就能够进行投资和结算，并且承兑商能够让投资者不需要下载钱包就可以进行投资，否则这种投资方式是很难让普通人接受的。
DACx会帮助传统公司利用BitShares的技术发行自己的Shares，在众筹结束后，投资者第一天就能在Bitshares内置的去中心化交易市场里进行交易。对于DACx这个项目来说，它将成为广受中小型企业、各类项目以及不同资金量级的投资人汇合的支持平台，而对于BitShares而言，DACx将最大程度地发挥它的优势，极大地提高BitShares的品牌知名度和使用度。除了它发行资产的功能外，去中心化的交易所可以很好地避免可能会出现的法律障碍，而锚定真实货币价格的BitAsset，如BitCNY, BitUSD等可以在保障价值的前提下，让资金更好地全球流动。目前，在今年1月5日我们已经开始了第一个项目BitShares PLAY的众筹。
为了能在现有法律框架之内保护投资者，我们需要融资者在法律上将出让的股权或者收益权转让给股权托管公司，然后由托管公司来发行BTA。这样托管公司就是法律意义上真正的股东，可以代替购买BTA的投资者来主张所有权益。但是同现有金融系统的作用一样，代持公司并不能保证融资项目一定成功或者确保融资者不会有欺诈的行为的，但能够确保一旦发生违法犯罪的情况能够在现有法律框架内进行解决。
目前数字货币社区的许多人都把注意力集中在支付领域，尽管我也认为数字货币在跨国支付上有着巨大的潜力，但是时至今日我们发现这样大规模的个人需求还没有被创造出来（有人会说企业外贸，但是无论是在量还是企业手续方面，比特币并不是很好的选择），特别是比特币价格的巨大震荡会让许多人都有疑虑。但是融资和投资的需求却是每一分钟都是真实存在的，而传统的投融资渠道是冗长且昂贵的，从天使到VC，再从PE到证监会，从一级市场到二级市场，这其中无数的艰险只有走过的人才能体会，如果我能够让这条路缩短，打通投融资的渠道和成本，那就真的是为社会解决问题从而创造价值。
从这一点来看，这也许是区块链技术的杀手级应用，让投融资变得如此简单，并且通过数字货币让覆盖面从单一国家变成全球。全球融资这在矿机领域我们已经看到许多，但是对于圈外来说这依旧是太过于极客化，DACx希望能够将整体流程标准化，简单化，让这不仅仅是社区内的游戏，而是让圈外的人可以用圈外的钱来投资圈外的项目。让更多的人能真正体会到区块链技术将会给世界带来的变化。
当然对于DACx而言，他在这个生态领域中扮演的是一个投行的角色，提供的金融咨询服务和解决方案，我们本身并不是交易所，所以DACx本身不会有任何的法律问题，并且根据律师提供的专业意见，DACx按照ADR的方式提供的是一种BDR众筹（Bit Depositary Receipts，数字权益凭证），由此来避开许多没有必要的法律问题。
这个项目在2014年下半年就开始启动，我们团队已经获得了全球知名VC千万级的投资，在上海新天地的办公室开始了我们的创业之路。我们团队中有不少来自于数字货币的专家，还有来自美林等知名投行的金融资深人士，还包括全国对数字货币最熟悉的专业律师。
在此我代表DACx出来竞选百分百delegate， 是希望能够获得社区更多的支持，从我本人最初开始对比特股的推广所做的努力，到DACx将会对BitShares的在方方面面的推动，我想社区的诸位伙伴们一定可以料想这种紧密连贯的努力为BitShares在很长一段时间之内将会注入很强的动力。我们之所以能够做到这些，和如今羽翼渐渐丰满的BitShares技术以及社区的共同的努力是分不开的，在此也表示我的感谢。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 华语地区Meetup推广计划
« on: September 03, 2014, 05:09:05 pm »
我申请上海的Meetup，有没有愿意一起出力的社区同学
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General Discussion / "Second generation money" really exist? And Bitcoin is competition or complement
« on: August 06, 2014, 07:00:25 am »
"Second generation money" really exist? And Bitcoin is competition or complementary
Author: @ Rampaging Prince Gong
Edit/Translation: Stan Larimer
Long time no write some text, most recently with the launch of BTSX, there are many of my friends started to discuss things about the meaning of the second generation of currency, we can also see a lot of friends on the second-generation full of coins and the community in the micro-Bo hostility that second-generation technology is not enough to replace currency generation currency or coins are considered second-generation digital currency within a community blood will lead to a decline Bitcoin prices. Indeed, there are more than a year into the digital currency industry friends, does not seem to understand the generation of second-generation currency and coins What is the difference, it was generally considered the second generation currency is misappropriating things, the basic tool is a liar. The reality of the situation is that no one really seriously discuss what is really the second generation currency, its currency and so-called generation what difference.
Personally feel that many of the problems we intense debate, the fact is that everyone is different definitions of things.The reason seems to be due to the currency on the second generation has a great understanding of the deviation. So today I want to talk about the "second generation currency" personal understanding. First, Bitcoin (BITCOIN, is capitalized) is a decentralized payment system, which can be seen in the title of this paper Cong "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System (Bitcoin: A peer electronic cash system). " And every bitcoin (bitcoin, lowercase) is a unit of measurement of the system.
I think the core values of bitcoin system is "decentralized", it relies entirely on decentralized system architecture for self-operation and Development. And "to the center" is a very valuable concept, so many people think, if Bitcoin seen as a "decentralized" in the field of monetary payment, does it also can be applied to other fields. For example, decentralized exchange, to the center of the betting, decentralized microblogging. This is the so-called "second generation currency" comes from, so we can find the so-called "second generation currency" is a name for itself in question, he is actually an application, but does not have too much money and relationships. Currency is currently the second-generation kind of argument, does not seem to find a similar abroad say more is called DAC (to the center of the autonomous system), I think this is probably more in line with the actual situation.
" second-generation currency (DAC) "essentially more similar to a particular application, a kind of" decentralized "as a symbol of the system, it may in the future is that Taobao, microblogging, micro-letters, like the taxi system You can be understood as a software system or a company. That's why they take more POS (Proof of Stake) Equity proven way, because the so-called equity POS allocation is the reality of the stock. The original founder of the majority stake will definitely be left to the relevant stakeholders and systems, these stakeholders are willing to devote more resources to make the system better growth. This is the current practice in many real-world companies, has also been recognized by most people. Thus, we can find POS and POW is not a mutually exclusive relationship. Playing a not entirely appropriate metaphor, in the world, manufacturing and distribution processes and currency listed shares distributed process has a very big difference between the two, so the POS and POW but in different application environments, selected according to the actual situation two distributions, and there is no competition, even far from the question of who will eventually replace anyone. Currently most of the main starting point of contention is the "second generation currency" as a kind of currency to look at, but the reality on the contrary, if you can it be seen as a stock company, the POS becomes a logical outcome .
Based on this knowledge base if you can, you will find a lot of controversy is in fact unnecessary. The so-called "second generation currency" and simply not enough to compete with bitcoin. Instead, these "second generation currency (DAC, go to the center of the autonomous system)" to build a complete digital money ecosystem. Bitcoin is currently the biggest problem is actually the problem is the application, in addition to the usefulness of cross-border payments, currently applied in other places may still small, and the "second generation currency (DAC)" is inherently Bitcoin application scenarios, if there is to the center of the systems, which are inherently digital currency can be combined.
Light so that it would appear to be more abstract, let's take a concrete example.
We can envisage the establishment of a DAC (second generation currency) of microblogging, microblogging system there is no centralized server, but to provide a client (network client software may also include APP). The DAC will provide Weibo and Sina Weibo microblogging functionality similar to that everyone can publish free microblogging system, the system every 10 minutes will be the latest microblogging packaged and tweets after finishing into block chain ( Blockchain) a new block, and the new block which is transmitted to each node. The new participants to contribute their computer systems and hard disk as one of the nodes, the system will provide the operator in return for power and hard disk nodes microblogging currency (referred to as WBB, WBB began sending 100 per hour, after annual halved), each will own a microblogging currency BTC address. The system functions in addition to providing release micro-Bo will provide some special charging function, such as Weibo microblogging can be top or broadcast a range of users in each time you use a function, you need to pay 0.0001BTC. It also provides advertising interfaces need to publish advertisements in microblogging advertisers need to pay certain advertising costs to the system (via the built-in BTC address), and then click or browse according to the number, the system will automatically deduct the BTC. The BTC system every 24 hours, will be charged to the total current WBB has been issued, and sent to the holders of WBB's personal account.
Thus, we constructed a simple microblogging DAC, the DAC in this, beginning perhaps not too much participation is likely to communicate in a small area, but if the team has a strong confidence in the DAC, the After the initial release can themselves become a node, then continuous optimization and promotion, as long as the micro-Bo began to have a certain income, people would join the system becomes a node to get rewarded by obtaining WBB. Even better, since each WBB itself has the ability to be able to get bitcoins, the market will have a valuation of WBB itself, and each WBB will be freely tradable. With WBB valuations increasing, more and more people to contribute their forces and the hard count, the user experience will be better and better, will encourage more people to use microblogging. Thereby forming a virtuous circle.
From one perspective, this is the shares of WBB system, and the entire DAC is completely open source microblogging system, but it is also completely decentralized, which means that the microblogging DAC is more difficult to be attacked and regulatory location.
Like the previous example, we can build a similar Taobao e-commerce DAC. The same also allow buyers and sellers to trade, of course, the beginning of this DAC may be suitable to accept bitcoin born as the only currency. Then the system will be charged a 1% fee from the transaction, and also to the system according to the proportion paid to provide computing power and data storage nodes. Similarly, he can also provide grant money as a contribution of some kind of digital identification, but this figure may be closer to the company's shares in the currency.
Obviously, this DAC is in accordance with the globalization, to the center of the development. The entire system is also able to build a virtuous cycle and have a contribution for each participant's own ability to continue driving force.
Non-DAC, if let you participate in such projects as Taobao is very difficult, and DAC, each of us can participate at any time and at any time according to their ability to choose to put resources and effort. We can be found through the DAC, a lot of people who had no intersection can hold the same purpose to collaborate. Between them may never know, but it can pay for the same work DAC and DAC accompanied by a corresponding growth harvest feedback. This in no DAC era is unimaginable.
Through the above two examples, we will find that these so-called "second generation currency (DAC)" and Bitcoin is absolutely not competitive state, but entirely complementary. Digital currency can be completely seamless access DAC system, so the preferred payment DAC is necessarily digital currency. DAC can become great digital currency scenarios, have appeared in various types of DAC will greatly expand the use of digital currency. This constitutes a closed loop, forming a complete ecological system, and perhaps this is the real next generation of the Internet environment, a great environment to achieve but to the center of self-development, and this trend is in line with the Internet itself, democracy, freedom and equality of these qualities.
DAC (II coins?), You need to bring to the center thanks to technology and intellectual revolution, to the center of the system makes the possibility of obtaining a great success in the future become so real. To the center will not only thinking for digital currency, which is to establish a method for almost all types of non-erosion commercial relations. Like internet technology is by no means merely a document that can be used to search, but there are infinite possible business model.This new way of using different brought, like choosing a plane or a sphere as a model to plan your route as global navigation. When we learn from past experience that the company is driven by the market how it works in the real world, the variety of inspiration will be generated.
So when we call "second generation currency" when it seems to have potential as a so-called "generation currency" upgrade version, and seems to constitute the relationship between competition and replace. This is a lot of money just to understand the digital ecosystem friend will have a lot of trouble understanding.
Finally, I hope everyone in the future be able to "DAC" or "(to the center) autonomous system" to refer to the so-called "second generation currency."
Chinese version article: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6651.0
Author: @ Rampaging Prince Gong
Edit/Translation: Stan Larimer
Long time no write some text, most recently with the launch of BTSX, there are many of my friends started to discuss things about the meaning of the second generation of currency, we can also see a lot of friends on the second-generation full of coins and the community in the micro-Bo hostility that second-generation technology is not enough to replace currency generation currency or coins are considered second-generation digital currency within a community blood will lead to a decline Bitcoin prices. Indeed, there are more than a year into the digital currency industry friends, does not seem to understand the generation of second-generation currency and coins What is the difference, it was generally considered the second generation currency is misappropriating things, the basic tool is a liar. The reality of the situation is that no one really seriously discuss what is really the second generation currency, its currency and so-called generation what difference.
Personally feel that many of the problems we intense debate, the fact is that everyone is different definitions of things.The reason seems to be due to the currency on the second generation has a great understanding of the deviation. So today I want to talk about the "second generation currency" personal understanding. First, Bitcoin (BITCOIN, is capitalized) is a decentralized payment system, which can be seen in the title of this paper Cong "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System (Bitcoin: A peer electronic cash system). " And every bitcoin (bitcoin, lowercase) is a unit of measurement of the system.
I think the core values of bitcoin system is "decentralized", it relies entirely on decentralized system architecture for self-operation and Development. And "to the center" is a very valuable concept, so many people think, if Bitcoin seen as a "decentralized" in the field of monetary payment, does it also can be applied to other fields. For example, decentralized exchange, to the center of the betting, decentralized microblogging. This is the so-called "second generation currency" comes from, so we can find the so-called "second generation currency" is a name for itself in question, he is actually an application, but does not have too much money and relationships. Currency is currently the second-generation kind of argument, does not seem to find a similar abroad say more is called DAC (to the center of the autonomous system), I think this is probably more in line with the actual situation.
" second-generation currency (DAC) "essentially more similar to a particular application, a kind of" decentralized "as a symbol of the system, it may in the future is that Taobao, microblogging, micro-letters, like the taxi system You can be understood as a software system or a company. That's why they take more POS (Proof of Stake) Equity proven way, because the so-called equity POS allocation is the reality of the stock. The original founder of the majority stake will definitely be left to the relevant stakeholders and systems, these stakeholders are willing to devote more resources to make the system better growth. This is the current practice in many real-world companies, has also been recognized by most people. Thus, we can find POS and POW is not a mutually exclusive relationship. Playing a not entirely appropriate metaphor, in the world, manufacturing and distribution processes and currency listed shares distributed process has a very big difference between the two, so the POS and POW but in different application environments, selected according to the actual situation two distributions, and there is no competition, even far from the question of who will eventually replace anyone. Currently most of the main starting point of contention is the "second generation currency" as a kind of currency to look at, but the reality on the contrary, if you can it be seen as a stock company, the POS becomes a logical outcome .
Based on this knowledge base if you can, you will find a lot of controversy is in fact unnecessary. The so-called "second generation currency" and simply not enough to compete with bitcoin. Instead, these "second generation currency (DAC, go to the center of the autonomous system)" to build a complete digital money ecosystem. Bitcoin is currently the biggest problem is actually the problem is the application, in addition to the usefulness of cross-border payments, currently applied in other places may still small, and the "second generation currency (DAC)" is inherently Bitcoin application scenarios, if there is to the center of the systems, which are inherently digital currency can be combined.
Light so that it would appear to be more abstract, let's take a concrete example.
We can envisage the establishment of a DAC (second generation currency) of microblogging, microblogging system there is no centralized server, but to provide a client (network client software may also include APP). The DAC will provide Weibo and Sina Weibo microblogging functionality similar to that everyone can publish free microblogging system, the system every 10 minutes will be the latest microblogging packaged and tweets after finishing into block chain ( Blockchain) a new block, and the new block which is transmitted to each node. The new participants to contribute their computer systems and hard disk as one of the nodes, the system will provide the operator in return for power and hard disk nodes microblogging currency (referred to as WBB, WBB began sending 100 per hour, after annual halved), each will own a microblogging currency BTC address. The system functions in addition to providing release micro-Bo will provide some special charging function, such as Weibo microblogging can be top or broadcast a range of users in each time you use a function, you need to pay 0.0001BTC. It also provides advertising interfaces need to publish advertisements in microblogging advertisers need to pay certain advertising costs to the system (via the built-in BTC address), and then click or browse according to the number, the system will automatically deduct the BTC. The BTC system every 24 hours, will be charged to the total current WBB has been issued, and sent to the holders of WBB's personal account.
Thus, we constructed a simple microblogging DAC, the DAC in this, beginning perhaps not too much participation is likely to communicate in a small area, but if the team has a strong confidence in the DAC, the After the initial release can themselves become a node, then continuous optimization and promotion, as long as the micro-Bo began to have a certain income, people would join the system becomes a node to get rewarded by obtaining WBB. Even better, since each WBB itself has the ability to be able to get bitcoins, the market will have a valuation of WBB itself, and each WBB will be freely tradable. With WBB valuations increasing, more and more people to contribute their forces and the hard count, the user experience will be better and better, will encourage more people to use microblogging. Thereby forming a virtuous circle.
From one perspective, this is the shares of WBB system, and the entire DAC is completely open source microblogging system, but it is also completely decentralized, which means that the microblogging DAC is more difficult to be attacked and regulatory location.
Like the previous example, we can build a similar Taobao e-commerce DAC. The same also allow buyers and sellers to trade, of course, the beginning of this DAC may be suitable to accept bitcoin born as the only currency. Then the system will be charged a 1% fee from the transaction, and also to the system according to the proportion paid to provide computing power and data storage nodes. Similarly, he can also provide grant money as a contribution of some kind of digital identification, but this figure may be closer to the company's shares in the currency.
Obviously, this DAC is in accordance with the globalization, to the center of the development. The entire system is also able to build a virtuous cycle and have a contribution for each participant's own ability to continue driving force.
Non-DAC, if let you participate in such projects as Taobao is very difficult, and DAC, each of us can participate at any time and at any time according to their ability to choose to put resources and effort. We can be found through the DAC, a lot of people who had no intersection can hold the same purpose to collaborate. Between them may never know, but it can pay for the same work DAC and DAC accompanied by a corresponding growth harvest feedback. This in no DAC era is unimaginable.
Through the above two examples, we will find that these so-called "second generation currency (DAC)" and Bitcoin is absolutely not competitive state, but entirely complementary. Digital currency can be completely seamless access DAC system, so the preferred payment DAC is necessarily digital currency. DAC can become great digital currency scenarios, have appeared in various types of DAC will greatly expand the use of digital currency. This constitutes a closed loop, forming a complete ecological system, and perhaps this is the real next generation of the Internet environment, a great environment to achieve but to the center of self-development, and this trend is in line with the Internet itself, democracy, freedom and equality of these qualities.
DAC (II coins?), You need to bring to the center thanks to technology and intellectual revolution, to the center of the system makes the possibility of obtaining a great success in the future become so real. To the center will not only thinking for digital currency, which is to establish a method for almost all types of non-erosion commercial relations. Like internet technology is by no means merely a document that can be used to search, but there are infinite possible business model.This new way of using different brought, like choosing a plane or a sphere as a model to plan your route as global navigation. When we learn from past experience that the company is driven by the market how it works in the real world, the variety of inspiration will be generated.
So when we call "second generation currency" when it seems to have potential as a so-called "generation currency" upgrade version, and seems to constitute the relationship between competition and replace. This is a lot of money just to understand the digital ecosystem friend will have a lot of trouble understanding.
Finally, I hope everyone in the future be able to "DAC" or "(to the center) autonomous system" to refer to the so-called "second generation currency."
Chinese version article: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6651.0
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中文 (Chinese) / “二代币”真的存在么？
« on: August 05, 2014, 02:37:36 am »很长时间没有写一些文字，最近随着BTSX的推出，又有不少朋友开始讨论关于二代币意义的事情，我们也可以在微博和社区里看到不少朋友对二代币充满了敌意，认为二代币的技术并不足以取代一代币，或是认为二代币是在数字货币的社区内抽血，会导致比特币价格的下降。甚至，有更多进入数字货币行业不到一年的朋友，似乎并不能理解二代币和一代币有什么区别，大家普遍认为二代币是圈钱的东西，基本是骗子的工具。而现实的情况是，的确也没有人认真讨论过什么是真正的二代币，它和所谓的一代币究竟有什么区别。
个人觉得，大家激烈争论的很多问题，其实是由于每个人对事物的定义不同。而究其原因，似乎是缘于对二代币的理解上有很大偏差。所以，今天想谈一下我对“二代币”的个人理解。首先，比特币（BITCOIN，是大写的）是一种去中心化的支付系统，这在中本聪的论文标题就可以看出《Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System（比特币：一个点对点的电子现金系统）》。而每一个比特币（bitcoin，是小写的）是这个系统的度量单位。
我认为比特币系统的核心价值就是“去中心化”，它完全依靠去中心化的系统架构进行自我运行和发展。而“去中心化”是一个非常有价值的概念，于是许多人在思考，如果把比特币看做是“去中心化”在货币支付领域的应用，那么是否还可以应用于其他的领域。比如去中心化的交易所，去中心化的博彩，去中心化的微博等。这也就是所谓“二代币”的由来，因此我们可以发现，所谓“二代币”本身的叫法就是有问题的，他其实是一种应用，而和货币并无过多关系。二代币也是目前国内的一种讲法，在国外似乎没有找到类似的说法，更多则称之为DAC（去中心化自治系统），我觉得这种说法可能更加符合实际情况。
“二代币（DAC）”从本质上更加类似于某一种应用，一种以“去中心化“为标志的系统，也可能在未来就是淘宝、微博、微信、打车之类的系统，你可以将其理解为一个软件、系统或者是公司。这就是为什么它们会更多的采取POS（Proof of Stake）权益证明的方式，因为POS分配的所谓权益就是现实中的股票。最初的创始人肯定会将大多数股权留给和系统相关的利益方，这些利益方愿意投入更多的资源来让整个系统更好的成长。这也就是目前许多现实世界公司的做法，也得到绝大多数人的认可。由此，我们可以发现POS和POW并不是一个互斥的关系。打一个并不完全恰当的比喻，在世界中，货币制造和分布过程以及公司上市股份分发的过程二者有着非常大的区别，因此POS和POW只不过在不同应用环境中，根据实际情况选择的两种分发形式，并没有竞争关系，甚至远远谈不上谁终将取代谁的问题。目前大多数争论的主要出发点，就是把“二代币”当做一种货币来看待，而现实情况恰恰相反，如果你能将其看做某个股份公司，那么POS就成了一种顺理成章的结果。
如果能够基于这个认知基础，会发现其实许多的争论是毫无必要的。所谓的“二代币”根本就和比特币不够成竞争关系。相反，这些“二代币（DAC，去中心化自治系统）”能够构建出一个完整的数字货币生态圈。目前比特币最大的问题其实是应用问题，除了跨国支付这个用处，目前在其他可能应用的地方还很少，而“二代币(DAC)”天生就是比特币的应用场景，如果有个去中心化的系统，这些系统天生就可以数字货币进行结合。
光这样说会显得比较抽象，让我们来举一个具体的例子。
我们可以设想建立一个DAC（二代币）化的微博，这个微博系统是没有中央化服务器，而是提供一个客户端（网络客户端、软件也可能包括APP）。该微博DAC会提供和新浪微博类似的微博功能，每个人可以在系统中免费发布微博，系统每10分钟会将最新微博打包，并将微博信息整理后放入块链（Blockchain）的新块中，而这个新块会被发送到各个节点当中。而新的参与者贡献自己的计算机和硬盘当作系统的其中一个节点，作为回报系统会给提供算力和硬盘的节点以微博币（简称为WBB，WBB开始每个小时发送100个，以后每年减半），每个微博币将自带一个BTC地址。而系统除了提供发布微博功能，会提供一些特殊的收费功能，比如可以将微博置顶或者微博进行一定范围的广播，用户在每次使用某个功能时，需要支付0.0001BTC。另外还提供广告接口，需要在微博中发布广告的广告商需要预先向系统支付一定的广告费用（通过内置的BTC地址），然后按照点击或者浏览数，系统会自动扣除相应的BTC。而系统每24小时，会将所收取的BTC，以当前已经发放的WBB的总量，发送到持有WBB的个人账户中。
这样，我们就构建了一个简单的微博DAC，在这个DAC中，一开始也许参与的人不太多，很可能在小范围内进行交流，但如果开发团队对这个DAC有着很强的信心，可以在最初发布后，自己成为节点，然后不断的优化和推广，只要该微博开始有一定的收入，就会有人加入系统成为节点，通过获得WBB来获得相应的回报。更棒的是，由于每个WBB本身具有能够获得比特币的能力，市场将会对WBB本身会有一个估值，而每个WBB也将可以自由交易。随着WBB估值越来越高，会有越来越多的人贡献自己的算力和硬盘，用户体验会越来越好，也会促使更多的人使用微博。由此构成一个良性循环。
从某种角度看，这个WBB就是系统的股份，而整个微博DAC是完全开源的系统，同时它也是完全去中心化的，这就意味着该微博DAC将处于较难以被攻击和监管的位置。
和上一个例子一样，我们可以构建一个类似于淘宝的电子商务DAC。同样也是让买卖双方进行交易，当然一开始这个DAC天生可能适合接受比特币作为唯一货币。然后系统将会从交易收取1%的手续费，然后同样按照比例发放给给系统提供计算力和数据存储的节点。同样他也可以发放某种数字货币作为提供贡献的标识，但是这个数字货币可能接近于公司的股份。
显而易见，这样的DAC也是按照全球化、去中心化在发展。而整个系统也能够构建一个良性循环并且对于每个参与者都有着贡献自身能力的持续驱动力。
对非DAC而言，如果让你参与到像淘宝这样的项目是非常困难的，而DAC，我们每个人都可以随时参与，并且随时根据自身能力来选择投入的资源和精力。我们可以发现，通过DAC，很多原本没有任何交集的人都可以抱着同样的目的进行协作。他们之间可能永远都不认识，但是却可以为了同一个DAC而付出努力，并且伴随DAC的成长收获相应的回馈。这在没有DAC的时代，是难以想象的。
通过上面两个例子我们会发现，这些所谓的“二代币（DAC）”和比特币完全不是竞争状态，而是完全互补的。数字货币能够完全无缝的接入DAC系统，所以DAC的首选支付必然是数字货币。DAC能够成为数字货币极大的应用场景，各种类型的DAC相继出现会极大的拓展数字货币的使用范围。这就构成了一个闭环，形成了一个完整的生态体系，也许这就是真正下一代互联网环境，一个实现极大去中心化却又自我发展的环境，而且这个发展趋势是符合互联网本身民主、自由和平等这些特质的。
DAC（二代币？），需要感谢去中心化技术和思想带来的革命，使得去中心化系统在将来获得巨大成功的可能性变得如此真实。去中心化思想绝不会仅仅用于数字货币，这是建立几乎所有种类的不可侵蚀的商业关系的一种方法。就像互联网技术绝不是仅仅可以用于文档搜索，而是有无限可能的商业模式。采用这种新的方式所带来的不同，就像是选择平面还是球体作为模型来规划你的全球航海线路一样。当我们汲取以往那些由市场驱动的公司是如何在真实世界里运作的经验时，各种各样的灵感就会产生。
所以当我们称之为“二代币”的时候，似乎已经潜在的将它当做是所谓的“一代币”的升级版本，并且似乎构成了竞争和取代的关系。这对于很多刚了解数字货币生态圈的朋友会产生很多理解上的困扰。
最后，希望大家今后能以“DAC”或者“（去中心化）自治系统”来称呼所谓的“二代币”。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Bitshares感谢计划
« on: July 28, 2014, 07:39:11 am »
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: ★★★钱包已正式发布，请上次认捐的同志们进来看看，准备收集善款。
« on: July 23, 2014, 06:13:52 am »
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: ★★★钱包已正式发布，请上次认捐的同志们进来看看，准备收集善款。
« on: July 23, 2014, 06:10:12 am »
我是暴走，5000已发，不好意思晚了
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 我对于Bitshares领导团队现阶段的建议和要求
« on: June 24, 2014, 10:47:50 am »
我看到了stan的回复，我觉得如果我不是生活在中国的话，也许看到这些话会非常激动，很可惜，我生活在一个充斥着表决心和画未来的国度，所以我还是希望stan能够正面回答我的问题，而不是和我们阐述也许会有也许永远不会有的未来。
1. BM能否集中精力在开发，而不是在论坛回复，你们有没有能力管住他，还是公司没有任何人或者机制可以限制他在论坛上无休止的回帖。
2. BM时间是否充足到可以每天在论坛上发帖，而项目不需要他太多的精力？
3. Bitshares项目什么时候可以出来，有没有具体的时间节点和deadline? 在您40年的开发经验中，是否项目管理都是没有时间限制的？
4. 在什么情况下我们可以认为项目开发已经失败或者失控？如果一旦发生，你们有没有后备计划？
请Stan正面回答我的问题，而不是继续说一些纯粹鼓舞的话，谢谢。
I very glad to see the Stan's answer, if i dont live in china, maybe i will so exciting to hear that. but so sorry, i'm living in china, we can hear this sentence everyday, so, i hope stan you can answer me question directly, not just draw great picture for us.
1. can BM focus on developing, don't waste too many time on reply posts. can you or 3I can control his reply, dont let him answer question too far, or he is out of control?
2. does BM have enough time to answer the question, you say he have so many time on developing, but we can see he put more time on forum
3. when bitshares will be seen a stable version? can you give me timetable or deadline? you said you have 40 years experience on R&D, is your project management all never have any timetable?
4. which situation we can consider that project is failure or out of control? when it happened, do you have any plan B?
sorry about me poor english , please answer me question directly first, thank you.
1. BM能否集中精力在开发，而不是在论坛回复，你们有没有能力管住他，还是公司没有任何人或者机制可以限制他在论坛上无休止的回帖。
2. BM时间是否充足到可以每天在论坛上发帖，而项目不需要他太多的精力？
3. Bitshares项目什么时候可以出来，有没有具体的时间节点和deadline? 在您40年的开发经验中，是否项目管理都是没有时间限制的？
4. 在什么情况下我们可以认为项目开发已经失败或者失控？如果一旦发生，你们有没有后备计划？
请Stan正面回答我的问题，而不是继续说一些纯粹鼓舞的话，谢谢。
I very glad to see the Stan's answer, if i dont live in china, maybe i will so exciting to hear that. but so sorry, i'm living in china, we can hear this sentence everyday, so, i hope stan you can answer me question directly, not just draw great picture for us.
1. can BM focus on developing, don't waste too many time on reply posts. can you or 3I can control his reply, dont let him answer question too far, or he is out of control?
2. does BM have enough time to answer the question, you say he have so many time on developing, but we can see he put more time on forum
3. when bitshares will be seen a stable version? can you give me timetable or deadline? you said you have 40 years experience on R&D, is your project management all never have any timetable?
4. which situation we can consider that project is failure or out of control? when it happened, do you have any plan B?
sorry about me poor english , please answer me question directly first, thank you.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 我对于Bitshares领导团队现阶段的建议和要求
« on: June 24, 2014, 06:15:46 am »
发现stan完全没明白我们的诉求，我们仅仅是要求完成任务以及少说废话，我不觉得我们是在无谓愤怒的抗议，而是很理智的提出我们的诉求。谁能把我的帖子翻译成英语？
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 我对于Bitshares领导团队现阶段的建议和要求
« on: June 24, 2014, 03:25:32 am »
对于第四点，我的看法是，AGS当时说主要就是用于项目的开发，且在AGS发布完前预计产品可以出来。如果截至到AGS成熟的产品还不能拿出来，我们必须正视有可能开发失败的这一可能性，并且如果一旦发生这种可能，领导团队应该有这样的预案而不是反复强调开发难度。所谓的清算方案就是原来筹集资金的归还投资者，或者在全球悬赏新的开发团队，老开发团队全面移交之类的事宜。
总之，任何项目管理必须有明确的时间节点，大型项目的时间节点和管理更加是重中之重，一旦无法完成应该有后备方案，而不是无限期拖延和强调困难，这是对投资者的几大不负责任。当然，如果管理团队对投资者的诉求不予理睬，或者完全无视，霸占所有的项目资源不做贡献也不愿意放手，投资者只能找寻其他的解决手段。
总之，任何项目管理必须有明确的时间节点，大型项目的时间节点和管理更加是重中之重，一旦无法完成应该有后备方案，而不是无限期拖延和强调困难，这是对投资者的几大不负责任。当然，如果管理团队对投资者的诉求不予理睬，或者完全无视，霸占所有的项目资源不做贡献也不愿意放手，投资者只能找寻其他的解决手段。
