QUESTION TO FORUM

Does anyone know where one can buy or trade for BitShares PLAY assets, PLS,  other than Yunbi exchange?
Yunbi only

Is there any way that PLS could be acquired via blocktrades, shapeshift, metaexchange??
No

Since BTER has locked down all BTS in their customer accounts since BTS 2.0 migration on October 13th, it is
not possible to even withdraw the vested (or vesting) portion of the "sharedrop" PLS to the DACPLAY wallet and of course there has been no explanation posted on their website or sent via e-mail?
Exchange has no an obligation to do a sharedrop distribution if they didn't promise it. You can contact BTER by support@mail.bter.com

Shouldn't the PLS be available for withdrawal from the exchange since DACPLAY has not migrated to Graphene yet? 
Should. But the point is BTER never listed PLS, it is not about the upgrade.

So I'm reluctant to open an account with YUNBI since they want a drivers license sent to
them, just to trade crypto not fiat currencies..?? 

It's bad enough to that users may get Goxxed by BTER/BTC38 but to have your personal info floating around
with only a "promise"your account has privacy protections!  Forget it..

I think it's mainstream that exchanges must have a regulation (by gov demand).

Thanks LOGXING for your reply !

I guess I won't be trading or buying any more PLS then for a while...

I'm sorry but the BTER exchange EXPLICITLY encouraged their users to not only leave their crypto assets on the exchange but
PROMISED to handle all sharedrops, they even emailed me...as you can see from these posts on their websites
they did it for BitShares Music and for PTS and DNS

https://bter.com/article/4582                https://bter.com/article/3132   PTS for MUSIC

and the PLAYDAC sharedrop happened after the DNS & MUSIC sharedrops and long before they were hacked

https://bter.com/article/4760   robbery....and they promised to payback their users BTC...

so now I guess we are being to told we are SOL..and to get lost...yet I am supposed to trust YUNBI with my personal ID information !?  when tomorrow or next week they could disappear...?   

and YUNBI like BTER, Poloniex, etc. and other exchanges should only need ID info for people who wish to trade fiat...and I don't have a CNY bank account or live in China...so it puzzles me that they would require this for  non-Chinese crypto only trading..

I don't see how this is a benefit for the growth of PLS...

Anyway thanks..

I tried emailing BTER support a week or so before the BTS 2.0 migration....STILL HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REPLY...

I WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH BTER EVER AGAIN..!

I understand your confusion.  The original terms and conditions stated that normal (non-membership) accounts could create additional accounts without the benefit of siphoning the new accounts tx fees - as it turns out this was false.  The purpose of exporting keys in this case was to circumvent this change; I was trying to make a new account using the faucet since only premium/member accounts could create new accounts then import the newly generated account into my original wallet.  I DO NOT recommend this as the process corrupted my entire wallet.  Personally, I ended up just buying the premium membership.

Thanks for the explanation!  It was a bit of a brain teaser trying to see the logic, but I get it now...

I still have to do a bit more reading/digging around this forum, etc., to fully understand the pros and cons
of various aspects of this upgrade..e.g webwallet vs light wallet vs full desktop CLI..and obviously things are
still quite fluid at this early stage..so I appreciate learning from the explanation of your "experiments" so I don't
screw things up myself!  :-)  and I agree a lifetime membership seems to be the best option currently..


however given the long term nature of the BTS adventure..

I think about questions like  " Is a lifetime membership infinite like a corporation, if a user leaves their accounts/wallets as an income producing asset belonging to their estate?  Or does the membership end when a person's heart stops beating?  Hmm  I guess a "smart contract" is needed here somewhere..ha!  (Life experience with vexing probate makes one think like this..LOL)

Quote from: sirlo on October 10, 2015, 10:17:23 pm

Quote from: jaran on October 10, 2015, 04:29:44 pm

Quote from: profitofthegods on October 10, 2015, 11:33:55 am

On Windows 8.1, v0.9.3c

I just tried to export keys from the console. Its says "ok" in the console but there is no sign of the keys.json file in the appdata/roaming/bitshares folder.

I had to run as administrator to get it to save the file on windows.  I tried entering in full path etc and nothing worked until i ran as admin.

I really dont know why this has not been fixed its going to cause so many problems come the 2.0 launch...

I am having the same problem..except I've got Win 7 Professional..even run as administrator did not help..
Is there a reason why the json file does not show up in the "appdata/roaming/bitshares" folder..?  However when I tried to do it again whether using the full path name or not.. the console says"  File already exists!!...

Does anyone know what is the command to use in the console to delete this "invisible" in Windows explorer" file?
Or does it not matter and I should just save a version of keys.json in some other location to be imported after the 13th?

This is very frustrating...It almost makes me want to leave my bts on the Exchanges....however they have given no indication as to
whether or not they are going to migrate/upgrade..!?   

I think the value of BTS will increase significantly if one did not feel such apprehension and nervousness when trying to manage
one's crypto assets...(I've already given up trying to figure out what to do with some PTS left in a webwallet..)

Thanks

P.S.. As an "Average Joe" I don't comment much on the forum but I do visit as often as I can to try and keep up with what's going on...but I wish things like this migration was easier to accomplish and less nerve wracking..:-)

Hey sirlo,
Under Windows, that particular json (keys file) gets dumped into the C:/Program File section... or where ever you located/installed your Bitshares.exe file too. 
It does not dump/store into the appdata/roaming folder like your normal wallet "export" does.
Hope this helps!
 

Thanks emailtooaj..!

That worked...I was able to find the keys (json) file and make the necessary offline backups...Let's hope the
"IMPORT" process goes a little smoother..:-)....

and I noticed that Poloniex, etc.. made an announcement but not BTER??  I'm assuming that they will upgrade to 2.0 but in the absence of any written instructions or reassurances.. I did not want to risk leaving serious amounts of BTS in their hands...Let's hope everything goes OK..

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if the PTS network is temporarily suspended or if it will ever resume normal operations?

I had withdrawn some PTS from bter to deposit in an online PTS web-wallet on 11-4 before the snapshot, but it still
had not shown up in the wallet as of 11-5 and now I cannot even login into the PTS wallet ...it just says "login fail"?
I checked via the pts explorer and the transaction was included in a block ..

Has anyone else encountered these kinds of problems?  Is there a thread anywhere discussing what is going on with
PTS..

Thanks..

I'm trying to see if bter and btc38 can do retroactive snapshots

Hey toast, 
Thank you… I appreciate the sentiment expressed and fully recognize that you are doing
your best under arduous circumstances.
Even though I have a fair amount of business experience ( in startup and other situations) this merger and its aftermath was not exactly the kind of situation someone on the outside could foresee or hedge against  -- even with a pocketful of bitUSD   .
But I know how dynamic situations can be when you are breaking new ground so to speak ..and this DAC/DPOS ecosphere is quite pioneering.. and for me it’s a challenging learning curve and I’m sure for most  “newbie -investor-shareholder– enthusiasts “   it’s also a venture into unknown territory ..  I was trying to choose whether to invest in precious metals, DNS or BTC…I chose DNS…

So obviously you, BM etc., had to make some tough choices and I see that the I3 team is voluntarily trying to provide consolation at their own expense --  which in this day and age is indeed a rare principled and altruistic gesture.
So kudos, you exhibit much integrity and that gives me faith to probably invest even more than I might have initially contemplated & I will continue to support..
The silver lining in this situation is that I and  all US taxpayers can still write off up to $3k in capital losses against ordinary income on our tax returns and for those who may have incurred greater losses they can carry them forward to future years to be offset against, HOPEFULLY, substantial  BTS(x)capital gains.!   
I don’t know about the tax laws in other countries but all US based investors are aware of this, so no harm in reminding DNS (USA) holders..   and of course those of us who have also lost a chunk on BTC…(    are painfully aware..LOL !
So the best solace is success and I wish the best for all the DACs..(or  as of Nov. 5th..a.k.a. BTS features..!)

and thanks to Hadrian (link) also for his or her words
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10381.75
I think it was just a case of unfortunate timing for me.

Actually I'm not a trader, I was newbie trying to get a wallet registered because I couldn't move my DNS otherwise
and so I left my DNS on my BTER account for a few days and now..

 I'm SOL simply because..??  a bitshares registration procedure prevented me from immediately moving my dns purchase from the exchange which I would have normally done.

Quite a memorable first BitShares experience I'm having..

Quote from: sumantso on October 22, 2014, 07:38:36 pm

All those who bought at Bter are out of luck? All those who claimed after the announcement and sold are also at a loss?

The gainers are those who claimed earlier and sold immediately after the announcement. They got a good price and some free DNS.

Or have I misunderstood it all completely?

I don't think there are any losers except those with funds on the exchange and US.  Those with funds on an exchange were "traders"... those who bought in the days prior and withdrew to hold are OK... those who bought or sold after the announcement are also OK.

Hey Cube,

I was trying to reply to your post..but I wasn't allowed to include your "quote" in my reply because of the external link included

I figured this out after I sent you a pm.. :-)   Again proof I am very new at this but I'm learning.

Anyway if you can reply either way that's fine.  Even if I can't register a keyid  I will still purchase some DNS

thanks again