To me, Apple is about taking complicated technology and making it simple. Everything you mentioned about Apple I also despise, but the simplicity aspect is really something I support. What do you think targeting markets outside America? This reminds me, I need to get on mumble again soon! Lots of interesting people on there.

Oh no, I do not mean that we should make things overly complicated, actually I want the complete opposite. To me merging everything in the superdac made things more complicated. Which I hope gets sorted out real fast. The one thing it did solve was the bitUsd-chain being the common basis for all separate DACs. I was not a fan of that and found it far too limited to just the US market where to be honest most of these DACs do not offer the same level of benefits. Like how for example free internet and freedom of speech (KeyID and such) can be a considerably more lethal hobby outside of the us-market.

So yeah, I agree that targeting markets outside the US is very important, in more ways than I'm going to list here. But to give two examples from both edges of the spectrum:

If you just take money to spend per head of the population as a target, then Europe is a far better target than the US. Apparently Europe is the largest economy in the world, still in the effects of a crisis, highly antagonistic to the current "too big to fail" banks and not getting any credit, loans or interest on their savings. The latter especially encouraging seeing as the "test case" in Cyprus plus recently accepted laws have made leaving you money in the banks seem like a extremely risky gamble.

The other and to me more interesting target market are the people and nations that are in desperate need of this. Not just because of the humanitarian aspect, but also as in creating massive opportunities and opening a gigantic untapped marketplace.

True... but apple has the highest BRAND LOYALTY in the business and is the largest company in the world... recovering from near bankruptcy in just 15 years.

Ok let me get this straight, I'll use this analogy to illustrate how this discussion is sounding to me.

There is this big rockstar, let's call him Mr. Unfresh Banana. He's had a great career with a big slump, but against all odds still able to make a great comeback and he's doing well financially. But he seems to be on the end of his career and he hasn't made any new hits lately and chances of him doing a David Bowie are looking less likely with each passing day.

Now here comes our little rockstar wannabee and he's a big fan of Mr. Unfresh Banana and he has quite the songwriting ability himself, BUT his showmanship and onstage presence sucks and he's been consistently failing in all these public performances. Not because his music was bad, but just because he's a terrible showman. Now he's betting the farm on his performance on American Idols.

Please tell me bitshares is not betting the farm on it's performance on American Idols and thinking that they can just copy what this big rockstar Mr. Secondhand Fruit has done and become a rockstar just like that. Has anyone ever watched the show, do you know what happens to most people who think they can dance?

If brand loyalty or fanboism is the deciding factor, then doesn't that mean we are screwed already? We are not Apple, actually to put it in perspective we are the little upstarts trying to lure fans away from the Apples in this world despite their massive religious-cult-like status. So we just need to make sure our music rocks a helluva lot more than the drab uninspired stuff the old farts are repeating who've lost their motivation decades ago. Let's get people dancing to the music and not count on our showmanship, because lets face it, there are quite a few others in this battle of the bands who do a hell of a lot better in the show department.

True, but there are two counter factors. (1) There are far fewer women in technical areas. High tech fields are male dominated. Many of the people who have found BitShares thus far have some technical understanding of it. This means there are fewer early adopters among women. (2) Studies have shown that when it comes to investing, men take bigger risks than women do. Women are much more conservative with their money choices. The funny thing is that both approaches end up with about the same results when it comes to investing studies that I've seen.

I think if we make it simple and useful for everyone, we will have no shortage of women and men who wish to use BitShares.

1. Where I live women like spending money and seem to have no trouble scaling any technical hurdle to do it.
2. Where do you live? Which translates to: Where can I find me one of those financially conservative women?

3. Where is your subtle excremetion point?

I'm for games with the right themes.

So my suggestion for trying to survive in a hostile environment where you don't know who you can trust and with no clear defined end-goal is DayZ.

I gave everybody on the mumble server a copy of Tropico (because buying and running your own tropical Islands seems to be the goal of many people here), but I don't think you can play that game with many people at the same time.

Or if surviving, building and blocks are required one of the minecraft-likes is possible as well.

I haven't been keeping track of games lately so there might be more that fit our themes.

It gets worse...

Phew, you had me worried there for a moment Toast.

But then I realized, hang on this is an actual well made photograph with proper lighting, exposure focus, framing and everything. Never has such a thing been seen or produced before in anything related to bitshares, so this must be a hoax! See the hoaxer gave himself away by producing a too perfect picture, it's a dead giveaway, nice try though.

EDIT
Oh wait, just noticed, the framing actually sucks with the cut through the feet, OH NO EVERYBODY RUN!!

Or if you listened to the last part of Bytemasters mumble-hangout with the Chinese community where he talks about the gift-economy.

bitSharing
bitGift
shareBits
giftBits

or the best one:
GiftShares

Honestly if we are to rebrand anyway, in the name of all that is (un)holy, loose the "bit". No more bit. Ever.

Quote from: bitcoinerS on October 25, 2014, 01:29:26 am

Thank you for recording the meeting.

Whoever is organizing these sessions please do something about the constants chiming noises throughout every mumble session! It is very annoying and distracting!

Those are client side. You turn them off in your settings. I agree, they are horrendous. Whoever thought of them clearly didn't expect a lot of text chatter.

Yeah, maybe we should post an instruction list somewhere with some mumble settings / rules of conduct or something. Everybody should use push to talk (with a key not used for typing in chat, took me a long time to isolate who that was in this session), disable all sound notifications in mumble and do a mic check beforehand. Headphones are preferred as well.

Maybe we could contact some of the mumble developers with a list of feature requests(like default removal of horrendous chimes) and possibly extend it's features beyond just real-time gaming-speech. Hell might be even worth doing little fundraisers for it. I have to say that I'm surprised about the sound quality versus bandwidth and lag, considering how spread out across the globe these sessions are. I feel it has a lot less lag than using skype between countries within the EU. Even people with less impressive bandwidth or using Tor seem to be able to use this quite comfortably.

I don't think it needs all that much to be useable as a presentation tool as well.