Quote from: devlux on July 21, 2015, 12:23:32 am

I mean it seems a bit pointless to have DPOS & a requirement for a local chain.  I can see a need to add fully verifying as an option you can turn on and off, but really why not SPV as the default?  It would make it so much easier and less resource intensive.

With DPOS and a local chain you trust that 51 delegates or less won't collude, that is much more safety than trusting one delegate. But you are right the syncing is a pain atm! I am at 92% after about 28 hours
All active development has stopped for BitShares 1.0. According to BM / tests BitShares 2.0, where all development efforts go into atm, will only need 250 mb of Ram and a proper light client / web wallet will be available (standard wallet).

If it takes 28 hours, are you sure it's syncing at all? On my reasonably fast internet connection it takes less than 1 hour for the wallet to download the entire blockchain from scratch. But I can't imagine that you'd have 28x slower internet. Are you sure you haven't got some firewall up and running or some advanced router option like IP-flood-protection enabled?

Quote from: JoeyD on July 18, 2015, 10:38:58 pm

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Quote from: lafona on July 18, 2015, 11:31:45 am

So it would be a similiar approach to what radio shows do. Sort of like a word of the day. Would a text to speech algo be able to manipulate this? Maybe a category of the day, (red, yellow, green) colors. It would have to be manually checked as there would be possibilities for different answers.
Also is it too late to ask for Brownie points for the previous mumble. I was in the chat log, but it looks like I got left out. Thanks

Color of the day! I like this approach! 
Very easy and effective.

I'm not familiar with how color categories or color of the day is used on radio, could someone explain that mechanic so I can figure out if and how I would implement that in mumble.

It would be fairly simple...
Near or,  at the end of a Hangout,  Fuzzy could say "Ok everyone...today's color for Dan's hangout will be "electro orange". Then everyone in attendance would type in that color (and only that color, no other BS!) name into the Mumble chat. So now you got a quick, verifiable list of attendees and you could then use that chat transcript to dole out the appropriate Brownie.pts
Quick and effective!
Also,  if there's another hangout right after Dan's,  you'd change the color for that specific hangout with something different like "puke purple" and take a Mumble chat box snapshot once again with that color.

Now, the other issue you guys bringing up about Mumble user name is different from wallet name...
IF you decide to do "color of the day" and IF you use Mumble chat box like I described, then I would think best way is to have everyone type in their designated wallet name AFTER typing the color. That would help with some semblance of normalcy I would think?

The other option is to have a "Color of the Day" filed on the BB.org website that attendees could go to?!
Just have a "wallet name" field and a "color of the day" field... click submit and done, but there's obviously way to many possibility's to scam and spam this route.

I think Mumble chat "wins" in this regards!!
 

Ok, copy pasting the chatlog and putting that through an excel/google-drive sheet or something might be the quickest and easiest solution for now. Writing and bug-testing of a mumble-bot to do that will be a lot more work and might be overkill for the amount of mumble-attendees at the moment.

So for now color or question of the day and post your answer plus bts-address and copy paste the chatlog, should be easy enough for the moment. No need to change and reregister all the names on mumble then. If sock-puppets with mumble-bots start popping up we could device a captcha-bot to weed out the non-human attendees.

My apologies for not making much progress with the bots, but the technical challenges for that increased by a lot, especially with googles new v3 api requiring keys for each service/application I'd like to use in the bots, plus me being new to coding and having very very limited time to spare on this.

Quote from: JoeyD on July 18, 2015, 10:10:23 pm

Quote from: DataSecurityNode on July 18, 2015, 02:44:53 pm

[...] All it would cost is a vote, and we could have been well on our way by now with a system pulling INTO BitShares nearly $100k USD volume a day with tons of transactions and new users. We are poised to literally ingest the rest of the cypto mining world into BitShares.. just not enough to get to the 101 and get it done.

http://vote.bunkermining.com if you still would like to see that. Our other delegates are sitting at 106!

Sorry if this message is redundant, but have you got your message across to the Chinese community? It has been suggested that they own the majority voting power and the Chinese sure as hell have a large mining community.

Mining community in China despise BTS for not being POW distributed .
And BTSer in China hates mining . 

Also , only BTC and LTC mining is China are considered "mainstream" , multi-pool mining is not really popular . And unlike Bitcoin and LTC miners , multi-pool miners won't normally promote the coins they mine .

Not that much different from the Western BTS-community then. Plus multipools are hated by most coin communities with a passion. One notable example is the development of dpos as a reaction to the selfish multipool miners in pow-pts. I'm kinda curious how you got to the  $100k per day number. This is not the first or only POS-multipool attempt (iirc it was BlackCoin who started it) and the listed daily numbers would have been difficult targets for a multipool even in the ATH-era over a year ago.

In short, the bts-community is a tough audience to convince on mining, plus I'm kinda worried about negative backlash from those communities. Would a different twist be possible as a kind of multi-dpos-migration pool? Where miners get paid in dpos variants of their coin. In addition to offering/funding those communities an upgrade path towards dpos (maybe using the snapshot/sharedrop mechanic) instead of being seen as an attack.

[...] All it would cost is a vote, and we could have been well on our way by now with a system pulling INTO BitShares nearly $100k USD volume a day with tons of transactions and new users. We are poised to literally ingest the rest of the cypto mining world into BitShares.. just not enough to get to the 101 and get it done.

http://vote.bunkermining.com if you still would like to see that. Our other delegates are sitting at 106!

Sorry if this message is redundant, but have you got your message across to the Chinese community? It has been suggested that they own the majority voting power and the Chinese sure as hell have a large mining community.

If there is no simplified version of the wallet without the whole market/trader thing, then I don't see mass adoption happening. Only crypto traders might be interested in the exchange/market part and that is not a very big target audience to go viral with.

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Quote from: Empirical1.2 on July 17, 2015, 05:37:30 pm

Since then the market has had to price in that it could actually still be a
while till 2.0 release and that with so many additions there may be quite a few
kinks to work out before it's a stable customer friendly version. The market
has to price in CNX. The market has to price in Ethereum may start trading
soon. While other BTS announcements have been well received by the community,
they don't result in any short term increase in the number of BTS users
or BitAssets. All the while BTS is releasing millions of BTS per week
via the merger and as it is very thinly traded at the moment it's hard
to support the price especially with Greece news which drew a lot of
speculators into non CNY based crypto-currencies.

Have you included the newest information BM revealed in todays Hangout about an
actual BANK being very interested in CNX, the graphene tech and or BitShares
itself?!

It seems some more exciting news are going to be announced

waiting

If you are still waiting on the recording you might have better luck over on the beyondbitcoin.org website.

On the hint that a bank might have shown interest, yeah I don't see how you could speculate on that. That might just be a bank interested in hiring/licensing a custom completely personal solution with no relation whatsoever to bitshares and it's stakeholders. Similar to solutions that Overstock wants to "own". Traditional corporations might have shares, but they sure as hell are repulsed by sharing.

As for the price decline, that's because of the Osborne Effect.

A good interview with the former Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis:
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece

The interview was done before Tsipras made the infamous deal last Sunday but still it gives some interesting insight of what's going on behind the scenes.
And it looks like Varoufakis expected this to happen as he says:

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It wouldn’t shock me [if Tsipras] stays on and accepts a very bad deal.

Yeah I read that already when I checked Varoufakis twitter feed to see what he had to say.
While I found some points in that interview interesting, it also gives the impression that Varoufakis is new to politics or people in general. I'm surprised that both Tsipras and Varoufakis seem to have been completely surprised by these political(human) schemes. I wonder what their backgrounds are, because I've dealt with so many of these kinds of backstabbing self-serving assholes that I can't even remember the last time I met somebody who had some form of moral standard or interest in helping someone or genuinely attempted to do the best job he could.

Where can I go that you can actually survive while being naive like that? I'm pretty exhausted dealing with bloodsuckers all the time, so I could use a little break.

Quote from: JoeyD on July 09, 2015, 03:37:31 pm

ZeroHedge keeps posting interesting stuff on the whole Greek euro mess.

While he does accurately describe the history of the creation of Europe and it's nice that somebody is speaking up inside the EU-madhouse, but I'm not sure Greece will get out of Europe unscathed as easily as that. I'm not aware of massive Greek export products, so they will take a hit either way.

i enjoy reading ZH as much as the next guy, but i do find them to be rather overzealous in posting predictions and viewing events in a very negative lens. There are a variety of scenarios that could unfold here: Greeks agree to some haircut and payment reschedule despite the referendum, the country defaults and possibly restructures on its debt, it abandons the euro, and/or it gets kicked out of the EU completely. there are probably other scenarios too, but in general i don't see why debt default has to mean currency abandonment (sovereign default ought to be independent of currency), nor do i see why Greece would have to leave the trade and open border treaties, even if they completely abandoned the euro?

The single currency thing is a flawed concept no matter who says it. It's an attempted coup and trying to force all these completely different and incompatible cultures in the exact same format is a ludicrous concept. Plus wasn't the whole central planning thing supposed to be a flawed concept?

I agree about zerohedge and I don't share all of their views, however not many media-agencies seem to be all that interested in showing both sides of the stories in my country. It's also to bad that it's not only zerohedge that's overzealous and too extreme apparently. I completely agree with your points and would have wished the discussion was about how to fix things or make a clean start. But alas that's not the way things seem to be going, both sides are to blame for that in my humble opinion.

And if they wanted to blame and haircut somebody they should have done that at the shoulderlevel with all the banks and gamblers who consciously and willingly created this mess. They damn well knew that their loans were toxic and they are trying to make a buck out of the institutions bailing them out of it. That sounds like high-treason to me and people like that deserve a whole lot more terrorist-treament than they are getting. But instead they have their hands way up the euro-politicians asses so they are now moving their mouths.