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Rune want profit

Who cares if rune make you the king? If the sheep flock to you, take their fur!

We only need profit. If sheep too cold for winter, the wolves have a easy job.  Yum..rune will own this community if you like or not. Method is making a facebook! use mumble for secret...baaaah baaaaah. Sheep so tasty! Time to eat!  Some sheep been here a long time. Baaaa baaaah

You're pretty smart for a biscuit!

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ROFL!!  Too Funny man.  Probably true as well.

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General Discussion / Re: Company vs Community vs Country
« on: October 30, 2014, 05:32:17 pm »
Wouldn't it be more accurate and therefore easier to market if we were to describe BitShares as...

Decentralized Autonomous Network Software...  (can software or networks be regulated under current laws?)

which enables the formation of Blockchain Secured Communities...

maintained by Delegated Proof of Stake.

The benefits of which include the utility of the DANS in support of...

Freedom of speech
Trustless transactions
Speed of transactions
Cost of transactions
Sovereign control over all stores of productivity
Private communications
Fair rules
Stable rules
Consensus governed changes to rules
Free market resilience

etc......

Not wild about the name but great list of capabilities/features/benefits.

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General Discussion / Re: A BitShares' Marketer's Dream Headline!
« on: October 30, 2014, 04:39:03 pm »
Just plain crazy.  Soon to be coming here if the banks have their way.  You are right about it being great marketing slide/image/headline material.

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BM made another good post (not that this one was bad or anything...:) ) explaining the reasoning and some good guidelines on use of the "company" metaphor.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10767.msg141723#msg141723

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General Discussion / Re: Company vs Community vs Country
« on: October 30, 2014, 04:04:07 pm »
Well said!  I can live with that.  :)

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Drama?  Or someones genuine concern over someone telling him to quit his job, join a secret alliance of big stake holders and close the open forum he built to protect this community?

Call it what you wish, it still doesnt change facts...

Of course if you guys would have preferred I join this alliance or keep quiet while Rune continues to make attempts to gain trust in the community while openly telling me of his intentions...then so be it. 

Also as a note to the arms length relationships...this his not how you build a viral network effect.  It requires something deeper.

By Drama I mean all that you related, not that you are making things needlessly dramatic. :)

By and large though it just reinforces in me my non-trust of virtually everyone. I try not to base relationships on high-levels of trust.  I really only have different levels of non-trust, be it my own family or the pet dog.  In fact, anytime some asks me to trust them, I immediately put up my guard because they seem to want me to lower it...for some reason. 

By arms length I just mean, matter of fact...based on facts and knowledge of each persons actions and interests.  "Spock like".  Not based on "trust".  As a result, I try to avoid asking anyone to trust me.

Edit: BTW, BM has earned the 2nd highest level of non-trust that I have.  ;)  (This is positive on my scale)

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Wow, so much drama.  Maybe people need to take  a step back and try to have an "arms length relationship" with Bitshares and other community members.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/arm-s-length-relationship

More matter of fact, business-like, less personal.

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Here is what I don't want to happen is for delegates to be considered directors of a company issuing shares to the public as an unlicensed security. 

A self governing community that uses bts to track each persons share of the work contributed is much more generic and does not imply a legal entity.   

I also want the message and metaphor to make people feel as part of something rather than owning part of something separate from them.

I do understand where you're going with this and why you're thinking this way. Is there any way to push the community aspect for now on your end but let the community at large describe BitShares as a "company on a blockchain"? That metaphor when properly employed works SO beautifully... It's the entire reason I was sold on the BitShares concept. It made total sense. I'm not sure I would be here right now if it was pitched as a decentralized autonomous community. Doesn't have the same oomph.

Yes!
There was a message. Pretty powerful one, indeed!

Message, Vision, Idea!

In which all of us believe(d), more or less; some sooner, some later; some totally, some only in the core principals;

Now all of a sudden comes this - lets build Bla-bla Bla-bla Community - not only totally uninspiring, but already accomplished!
We do have a community. No need to build one with some adjectives in front of it.

And no, I do not believe we have achieved our goal if we force a half-a** constitution on the king,




If we want a republic there should be no king!

If we want better business model(s) for our kids, we should not hide behind false pretenses that this is not a business![/b]

 +5% for all of this.

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I agree with the general sentiment here.  I've started getting a little concerned about the seeming zeal to spend via dilution without clear measures of results, milestones etc...

The kinda of zeal you see when you are spending other people's money.  Reminds me of my home owner's association.  Their mere existence seems to encourage them to come up with ways to collect and spend more money.  I think they consider it their job to do so. :(  Also, now that I think about it, my wife and children have lots of ideas on how to spend "our" money. :)  But I digress...

Lots of good ideas and excitement for them but an actual "rocket scientist" once told me that good ideas are a  dime a dozen, it's people with the time, resources and perseverance to implement them that are hard to find.

I'm fine with delegate pay for marketing efforts and small sign-up bonuses as well.

I'm not in favor of censoring anyone, just looking for that calm, mature judgement needed when spending collective resources.

Yes, we need more marketing. MethodX's delegate is a decent first step. I am of the opinion that if we see the slightest proof (cause it is really hard to measure results in his case) that his efforts are producing results or even suspect they might be producing results or even see that if no obvious direct results at least he is trying to spend the funds wisely, we should encourage him to increase the # of delegates (so he can have a better funding).

I am just trying to make perfectly clear that I am not against marketing, not even the slightest. But I am against clear suicidal missions hiding behind  'great marketing ideas'.

I am also for supporting MethodX's delegate.  I will even offer to run it for him if he wants so long as I get my cost covered.

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BitShares to become Decentralized Autonomous Community

...
To this end the funds held by I3 for development will be divided among the core developers who will work together as independent parties to grow the community... People have stated that I have "too much power", ...

I totally get the idea of creating an autonomous "company" and will be interested to see what you mean by
"work together as independent parties".  Sounds a little at odds with itself.

I hope it hasn't escaped your notice that some people want you to be in charge and to make decisions as the leader that you are and that their confidence and willingness to invest in this is based on that.  Having an army of people "in charge" doesn't inspire confidence IMHO.  Hopefully it doesn't turn out that way.  As you've said, decentralization is a tactic, not an end in itself.  Just saying...my 2 cents.

Edit: Real companies have leaders that take charge and make decisions, granted they work with a team but still, there is someone that is accountable and serves to set the agenda and marshal the resources of the organization.

There are leaders and then there are rulers.   I hope the lead the team without ruling the team.

I don't think anyone could justifiably accuse you of ruling over them.  I've never seen anyone have has much patience, take as much input from people and accept and objectively evaluate as much criticism as you.   Nevertheless, I understand the forces at play here, internal as well as external and don't really disagree. 

I Just want you to still be the leader that many of us admire and look to for direction. :)

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BitShares to become Decentralized Autonomous Community

...
To this end the funds held by I3 for development will be divided among the core developers who will work together as independent parties to grow the community... People have stated that I have "too much power", ...

I totally get the idea of creating an autonomous "company" and will be interested to see what you mean by
"work together as independent parties".  Sounds a little at odds with itself.

I hope it hasn't escaped your notice that some people want you to be in charge and to make decisions as the leader that you are and that their confidence and willingness to invest in this is based on that.  Having an army of people "in charge" doesn't inspire confidence IMHO.  Hopefully it doesn't turn out that way.  As you've said, decentralization is a tactic, not an end in itself.  Just saying...my 2 cents.

Edit: Real companies have leaders that take charge and make decisions, granted they work with a team but still, there is someone that is accountable and serves to set the agenda and marshal the resources of the organization. 

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The problem is the wallet's API is so different from Bitcoin.  If it is possible with our blockchain then I again ask that the developers abstract out the payment transaction handling into something where bitcoin api can be implemented without major disruption. 

This is why none of these guys accept bitUSD, it is too much work for them.  We can fix that by doing the work on our end. 

I realize that this is a bitter pill, but please explain to us that it can't be reasonably done or start taking steps in that direction.  There are a lot of goofy ideas with marginal utility floating about.  IMO this is closer to a necessity .... OR we just ignore being part of the crypto economy until we don't need them much and  instead they need us.

 +5% on bolded part.  Need pretty narrow focus now on cleanup, utility and adoption.

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I agree with the general sentiment here.  I've started getting a little concerned about the seeming zeal to spend via dilution without clear measures of results, milestones etc...

The kinda of zeal you see when you are spending other people's money.  Reminds me of my home owner's association.  Their mere existence seems to encourage them to come up with ways to collect and spend more money.  I think they consider it their job to do so. :(  Also, now that I think about it, my wife and children have lots of ideas on how to spend "our" money. :)  But I digress...

Lots of good ideas and excitement for them but an actual "rocket scientist" once told me that good ideas are a  dime a dozen, it's people with the time, resources and perseverance to implement them that are hard to find.

I'm fine with delegate pay for marketing efforts and small sign-up bonuses as well.

I'm not in favor of censoring anyone, just looking for that calm, mature judgement needed when spending collective resources.

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