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General Discussion / Re: NXT forks BitShares 2.O mojo! goes for scalability
« on: February 25, 2016, 01:34:17 am »

Although I was a big fan of the toolkit idea, I am not so sure the right stack was chosen for such a thing. I have no idea about 2.0.

NXT however  has the benefit of being a java based project.  Java is very popular.  https://github.com/blog/2047-language-trends-on-github

So NXT has a potentially larger developer base that has been untapped by guys wanting to work on a blockchain project.

This is not to say C++ is bad or anything, but just something to consider why NXT has developers. Really not trying to criticize anyone in this post...

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General Discussion / Re: NXT forks BitShares 2.O mojo! goes for scalability
« on: February 24, 2016, 11:11:37 pm »
You guys are delusional. Check the date on the OP compared to the date of Tony's OP. If anything Tony stole the idea from Nxt. They have been discussing similar ideas for a long time now, this is their most recent design.

You are completely confused and should stop posting until you get it straightened out. 

Which idea would Tonyk have stole?  Who are the "delusional guys" in this thread??

But besides that... TonyK's idea is not "BitShares 2.0 mojo". 

In your goal to manipulate/complain/whatever you have completely confused yourself.  Nap it out for a bit, kid. Try again tomorrow. Goodluck.

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General Discussion / Re: Introducing Cryptonomex International (CNI)
« on: February 23, 2016, 09:55:05 pm »
just some curiosity  , has CNI helped CNX found funding yet ?
dilution?oh,no...
you can do nothing,Please do not dilute again。

How come people don't read and instead run into this whole dilution discussion again?

There was a 5 page thread trying to get these anti-diluters to explain how they expect BTS to win without dilution at this point. I never saw an answer.

So then people come out of the woodwork and want to partner with BTS and we hear the same negativity.

Until someone asks for money or for changes to BTS, there is no reason to be negative publicly. 

It really is completely insane and this is coming from a NEGATIVE person.

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General Discussion / Re: bitSHARES - As True Shares and Not a Currency!
« on: February 23, 2016, 09:27:16 pm »
Why don't we have a one time event.. say for 60 days.. where people will be PAID to remove their orders from the exchanges back to their own accounts in preparation for the transfer cut off update?

I think two months and perhaps a small dedicated full time team just constantly every day telling everyone to do it will ensure everyone gets their balances back in their hands and then at the end of 60 days.. fork the change.

I have no idea how much to pay.. lets just say +5%.

Needs more work on the details.. but just putting it out there.

And then what??  It is clear to me that we need to FIRST make it attractive for people to KEEP their shares on the DEX.  Plenty of good ideas have already been bandied about.  Such as only earning coin days (i.e. "free" transactions) if you keep your BTS on the DEX. 

Yah earning free transactions is genius. That will make people pull off their BTS from polo so quick... oh wait they can probably get more return just lending BTS out.

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General Discussion / Re: dShares Name discussion
« on: February 22, 2016, 08:03:05 am »
When resources are scarce, it will hurt badly even if only a little of them are lost. Not everybody are going to jump on the new chain, but even if only few people leave Bitshares, it will have negative consequences. We have already lost lots of active community members and developers.
Except you have no way to judge the amount of new interest this type of thing might bring to the BitShares based chain community. I'm getting the vibe that people are willing to just do both at the same time. (Assuming everything else points to the project as being feasible.

If there is going to be fork, it has to be done properly. The goal should be the destruction of Bitshares so that there won't be two competing projects that will eat each others resources.

Huh?

By half-assed fork I mean that it's useless to "just try something because it sounds interesting". If there is a fork, it's goal should be that it is better than Bitshares. If it's not better than Bitshares, it's stupid to waste resources on that. If it's better than Bitshares, it should get everybody from Bitshares onboard. It should be like transition from 0.9 to 2.0 when everybody abandoned the old chain. Of course not everybody are going to do that, but it should be the goal of the fork.

Well that would be the "goal" ...  or that BTS sees the light and adopts the features.  I don't get your point.  The goal is to come up with a product that wins in the marketplace.  If dShares wins, BTS loses.  So in that regard, it is the goal.

.9 to 2.0 happened because it was controlled by a small party.  You are setting standards superficially high so they can not be reached.

This concept in general is furthering the idea of decentralization.

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General Discussion / Re: dShares Name discussion
« on: February 22, 2016, 07:41:28 am »

well, I am neither wild, nor a pig when it comes to development.

PS
Hope this makes sense to anybody but myself.

We get it. You are all bts in your development.

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General Discussion / Re: dShares Name discussion
« on: February 22, 2016, 07:24:23 am »
When the lead developer of the project wants the BTS price to go down* who am I to argue with him. And as I have no other means to short BTS I did the next best thing - sold (not now but within days of the brownie points announcement) and am waiting for the price to at least cut in half to buy back.

When the lead developer of Mutiny wants the BTS price to go down* who am I to argue with him. And as he has no other means to short BTS he did the next best thing - forked (not now but needed just an announcement) and is waiting for the price to at least cut in half to buy back.

really, dilution didn't hurt the price but a random guy named tonyk who just posted a thread about forking it (who has no experience on development)can hurt the price ?
If that's the case , then I'm gonna short the hell out of BTS on polo and start my own fork to profit big time .

I am becoming annoyed and drinking my monthly rations and thus posting out of sequence.

TonyK can take up for himself but how do you know that he has "no experience on development"? 

You have no clue about such matters.

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sorry, but I don't understand.

i thought that the total number of BTS was capped.

Are we referring to the increasing fee pool as "dilution" now?

Dilution would be any increase in the fungible shares. Nothing more.

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I tried to explain this earlier. Everyone is "anti-dilution".  Some seem to be against ALL dilution.  Why?

I suspect that culture barriers make these people seem a lot more common?

There is so much conflated bullshit a real answer will never come about.

People are pissed they lost a lot on their investment. This forum gives them a nice outlet. People process these minority opinions as being more significant than they might be?  (The lack of people explaining why they are against all dilution seems to support this...)

Chinese are pissed off at the large amounts of money they see the Western guys receiving.  We see this when a Western developer says he could get a job being paid better.  Toast was ridiculed at times for saying he could have a job at Google. (I should look up where he is working for now.. ohhhhhhhhhhh he didn't stay a Google long after leaving BItshares.. better things for him I guess? )  Oh well anonymous vacuum salesman dude won in the end. Who knows what was lost... and who knows the one man who should be blamed for that decision ??

My point is my perception of this whole debacle is far different from what others see.... I think people need to figure out where the problem is and where the blame from poor judgement should be placed. We can all go off on our own complaints about why Bitshares possibly shit the bed. Dilution is bad, taxes are bad, but what are the alternatives ?

I can't imagine voting on 0 dilution and holding and praying.


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General Discussion / Re: dShares Name discussion
« on: February 21, 2016, 08:08:20 pm »
Since the sharedrop is 1:1 with no shares brought into existence, then it does not follow to me that BItShares stake holders will be hurt. BitShares might be hurt or might be helped, but it seems likely that shareholders would benefit.

Forks didn't kill Bitcoin. They spawned a legion of developers.

Bitshares will definitely hurt. Some developers move to the new chain which will slow down development. Some investors will sell their BTS to buy shares from new chain, which will lower the price. We might very well get all time low, if other traders realize that developers are leaving Bitshares for a new project. Some active users will leave our internal exchange, which decreases trading. Some members of our current community will stop marketing Bitshares and focus on the new chain.

BitShares would be able to implement any and all changes to other source code base. We can come up with a ton of pros and cons. I am not going to go into all of them.  So you are saying all the altcoins hurt Bitcoin in the longrun?  I can list a bunch of things that can happen and treat them as fate.

BTS-owners will get new shares in sharedrop, but it seems to me that tonyk have no idea what he is doing. Quick and half-assed fork will probably fail and the value of new shares will remain very low, so it doesn't compensate the losses from BTS price decline.

This is nonsensical.  Either Tonyk has no idea what he is doing and it will fail .. or is a legitimate concern.  Above you talk about how everyone will abandon BTS.  (people are stupid / TonyK is smart)  Now you make your argument on TonyK failing. It really remains to be seen whom he would be able to hire. In all fairness, the guy has been around and contributed more in discussion and counter-thought than anyone else.  Why would it be a "half-assed fork" when he has pretty much defined what he wants to do.  A half-assed fork does little in the change of features.

We are not in the same position as Bitcoin was. There is no surplus of developers eagerly waiting to join a development team. Talent has been already scattered in hundreds of different projects and it's quite difficult for new projects to attract people who know what they are doing. It might happen but I wouldn't count on it, especially if the project is founded quickly and haphazardly.

Yes and BTC gave up being controlled by one person a long time ago.  If TonyK wants to vet his ideas and can manage to get someone to implement them. I do agree about the supply of developers.  He seems to get along well with the Chinese guys .. maybe they'd work for him without dilution.

If there is going to be fork, it has to be done properly. The goal should be the destruction of Bitshares so that there won't be two competing projects that will eat each others resources.

Huh?


Responses in bold.

You are free to keep on one chain and have Dan more or less decide everything. (I don't want to argue, I may very well be wrong here, I don't follow that process very close) I however still like the idea when I came around of forks forks forks!

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I even know bitcoin miners brought more bitcoin with their profit when Bitcoin price is low or going up . BTS delegate/worker ever done that ?
didnt know I was supposed to tell you z
that I have put way more into BTS than just my 'time' .. you can also see that I have nevet sold any of my 'earned' BTS.

Your statement ia pretty disappointing.

Well he also said shares are 'pump and dumps' by basic economic sense.  Which is completely different from what I understand stocks to be. Some stocks are of nothing, but ...  To say stocks are pump and dumps by their nature is  like saying that anything you ever buy/sell is a pump and dump.  So people are on far different pages here.

I've still never seen what people expect to happen if development ceases.  ... what ... is ... the ... endgame ?

Personally I try to avoid being so negative. Mainly just because of all the people who still continue to pour their time and passions into this project.

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It would be nice to see someone address the original post.  It asked a very good question. 

What do these anti-dilution people expect to happen?

The current state of BTS is much better than the old BTS1.0 which BM thought that was enough to do the "big thing" and get "millions of users outside of crypto" .
If you think this is not enough , then why on earth would we believed the "big thing" in the first place ?

This doesn't make sense to me.  So because I believed in / hoped / followed (however you wish to label it) BitShares previously, and Dan was wrong...  as we all were about various things..   ?  Then what?  What is the end?

I don't have much of a stake in BitShares so I do not argue these things very much.  Not my thing.  I am just trying to understand the thoughts of others.

Do people think BM is sitting on such a pile of BTS that it should be enough incentive for his lifetime project ?

Passionate team of volunteers would be great.. but if that isn't happening.. then what?

I will say that one thing about paid workers is that it makes those wishing to work for free less appreciated etc.  So it is possible it forms a negative incentive in some way.

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It would be nice to see someone address the original post.  It asked a very good question. 

What do these anti-dilution people expect to happen?

It is kind of like taxes. I hate them. I'm against a lot of useless government but actually feel government is not strong enough at least some ways.  So I'm anti-taxes, but so is everyone.  The question would be, if you don't think you should pay any taxes, how do you think X,Y,Z is going to happen?  Most people who are of this opinion just have severe cognitive biases that make them act irrationally.  Is that what is going on here with the no-dilution movement?

What do people see as the endgame with development ceasing?

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General Discussion / Re: dShares Name discussion
« on: February 21, 2016, 04:15:55 pm »
Since the sharedrop is 1:1 with no shares brought into existence, then it does not follow to me that BItShares stake holders will be hurt. BitShares might be hurt or might be helped, but it seems likely that shareholders would benefit.

Forks didn't kill Bitcoin. They spawned a legion of developers.

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General Discussion / Re: Favorite Forum
« on: February 16, 2016, 03:14:27 pm »
BTW what commenting style do you prefer - the reddit style where you reply to a comment creating a new sub thread or forum style where you need to cite the text you are replying to? What the pros and cons of each approach?

Reddit style voting can make unpopular opinions less heard. Thats what the whole tree based thing is based on.  Flat style forces people to view more of other's opinions. 

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