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DAC PLAY / Re: What games do we want to play?
« on: April 09, 2014, 09:21:44 pm »

Lottos are probably the best first attempt.  You could take a relatively small % and give part of it to a charity DAC/fund to help promote.  It is a problem that lends itself readily to this technology.

Gaming will be your #1 market IMO.  Most other DACs will need people to adopt other business models around it.   Fair and trustworthy gaming is probably the market that has the largest potential to pull in people from outside Bitshares space.

Oh I started using "space".  I've officially started adopting the bitcoin 2.0 vernacular. :)

The other nice things about lotto versus other gambling is that all funding is done by the players.  The house puts up no money to win.

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DAC PLAY / Re: What games do we want to play?
« on: April 09, 2014, 07:56:18 am »

I would consider a game like Monopoly or Risk.  Known board games.  I am not sure what the trademark/copyright issues are exactly.  There is also an issue of these games being predominantly American.

The upside is you could actually buyin to these games with PTS.  Consider a monopoly game where basically price everything in the underlying currency.  Risk could give players an option to surrender and retain a certain amount of their buyin?

Monopoly could be rethemed into some different.  It is an easy game to code logic wise.  Not sure how the frontend with this technology is going to work...

Games of complete information are a big advantage.  (Is that the correct term?)  The reason is that this technology will never guarantee someone not having access to the DAC itself from my understanding.  It is a problem that you can not solve, so perhaps start off avoiding such games.

Games like backgammon,chess,checkers etc are nice, but they're not particularly inspiring to pull people in.

Poker is huge, but it has been done a dozen times in bitcoin world and the complexity + this technology makes my brain melt. 

If anything, I might go with backgammon.  You have a game that requires a random element.  Backgammon is pretty simple.  Complete information except for the upcoming rolls.

Your early market will be the nerdy early adopters.  Don't be scared to go after them.

Settlers ?

Competitive timed Sudoku ?  Bots too much of a problem...

Your overall best bet is to make a slotgame, but with guaranteed payouts in the blockchain with jackpot etc.   <-- money maker, transcends all cultures.

So much of the game design depends on how this technology will work...  Anyway.. just random thoughts. 

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DAC PLAY / Re: PokerChips: Hosting Fair RNG Sessions
« on: April 04, 2014, 10:40:28 pm »

I played poker on the first for money poker site and have been vaguely involved ever since.  Big fan of bitshares/protoshares.

Collusion between players is a concern, but the real concern as a player is that another player colludes with the house.  Having 2 players collude is a huge disadvantage, but it is nothing compared to having another player know YOUR hole cards.  Everyone here addresses collusion, but the real problem is guaranteeing that no one has a client that gives them unfair information.  I don't see anyone addressing this ?  How can I inspect the DAC?  How would that work ?  Creating a RNG seems like the first issue and was what people talked about in the early days of poker, but guess what...  To this day there has not been one known incident of a rigged RNG.  There have been multiple known issues of "super-users" and quite a few suspected ones.

Any variant of actual poker relies on bluffing and betting or it is not poker.  These features of poker mean that once an opponent has knowledge of your hand, you have 0 chance of winning.  I don't think you can have any sort of provably fair poker because of this.  The closest thing you'll get is a game like open face chinese poker.  It isn't really a poker game but relies on poker hands for scoring.  Everyone draws 1 card at a time and plays it in their hand face up.  This can be made provably fair, but it is not poker.

Poker is great, but I can't see any real advantage for having it hosted on a blockchain.

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