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General Discussion / Re: Merger of STEEM and BTS
« on: June 01, 2016, 03:59:57 pm »
STEEM is a Reddit-esque social media platform. What is Reddit's problem?

http://www.recode.net/2014/3/3/11624114/still-in-the-red-reddit-to-donate-one-tenth-of-ad-revenue-to-charity

Reddit's problem is that even with a massive userbase their costs are too high and their revenues are too low.
After ten years Reddit is still a loss making business model despite being the 14th most visited site in the US & 36th in the world in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit

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As of 2015, Reddit had 542 million monthly visitors (234 million unique users), ranking 14th most visited web-site in US and 36th in the world.[6] Across 2015, Reddit saw 82.54 billion pageviews, 73.15 million submissions, 725.85 million comments, and 6.89 billion upvotes from its users.[7]

So for STEEM to be an improvement on a Reddit-esque  platform they would have to find a way to drastically increase the revenue and/or reduce the costs of that business model. STEEM have done the opposite...

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Reddit hypothesized that its platform would be improved if everyone who contributed to reddit.com by posting stories, adding comments or voting were rewarded with a fair share in Reddit, Inc1. Steem aims to support social media and online communities by returning much of its value to the people who provide valuable contributions

By paying users for popular content and even for comments/voting they've drastically increased the costs of that business model. Reddit earned <$10 million in 2014, which wasn't even enough to cover expenses. (Crunch some numbers using the wiki to see why it's not worthwhile paying for content on this type of platform and/or how much you'd have to increase revenue by to justify it.)

STEEM also reduces potential revenue per user as their initial user-base will be even less likely to give up personal info, allow targeted advertising or the censoring of board content to make it more advertiser friendly & I won't even go into the differences in the PR approaches.

In practical terms this means STEEM's burn rate (monthly expenses) will presumably be extremely high (paying to acquire users and for their content) but it will achieve no/low revenue and no meaningful longer term valuation from serious investors because the potential value per user, is if anything likely negative, so it will likely run into financial issues very rapidly. 

(It also deliberately went against all the crypto-currency community's cultural regulations, which is fine, but means as a result it's unlikely to be popular/adopted as a crypto-currency in it's own right.)

This is just a personal opinon, feel free to disagree and or make counter arguments especially those more familiar with the business model and future plans but I don't see a Steem merger being an issue as I don't see it being around for long.

(Other than keeping an inflated value for long enough to justify a high percentage stake in some sort of merger I can't see the point.)

I wonder why Reddit doesn't have more advertising. Are they afraid of a negative reaction? That place has almost no ads. I guess maybe there are some in the far right column ? 

In general though Steem should be able to run far cheaper than reddit. Although if it scaled up who knows, but it will never have administrative/management staff overhead.  Only the cost of machines.

I just can't see the 'get paid to post' working in the longrun or being sustainable. Also, having large stakeholders be able to up/downvote will be distasteful to a lot of people.

Then there are all the other games being played with vesting and so on so it'll "go to the moon".

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So I am trying to withdraw some DAO to my ETH wallet. Polo trades it, seems simple. I highlight the ETH address on the screen then choose edit/copy.  It says "clipboard copied" but does the notification twice. Then it gives me a weird BTC address which is either the original account I deposited to via shapeshift or they've been compromised.  lol. wtf. Not particularly impressed so far, but I am looking forward to finally playing with it and maybe even writing contracts.

BitShares definitely has a nicer UI from what I've seen so far.

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General Discussion / Today is dev Memorial day - Observations on ETH.
« on: June 01, 2016, 01:53:15 am »


For non-Americans who don't know,  yesterday was Memorial day.  A day where we honored the armed forces who "fought for our freedom".

Well a lot of you didn't know today is "developer's Memorial Day" where we give thanks for those devs that fought for our freedom.

Anyway, all jokes aside I downloaded the ETH wallet. I was impressed by the integration of ShapeShift to get people up and going. However other than that, this thing is buggy as fuck. My first attempt was not successful as I got stuck on some block.  (Might have been a sleeping laptop or something did this...)  So I switch from 64bit to 32bit and 32bit won't even run saying it is missing some component.  So I google how to delete the chain data and start over with v64. So I would take that as being 3 attempts. IMO Bitshares .9 was likely better than this.

I just wanted to post something positive and acknowledge the good work that WAS done by the BitShares team. Good job guys.

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General Discussion / Re: IS BTS dead?
« on: May 29, 2016, 06:27:20 pm »
Oh! now I can understand it all!

It's prety obvious by now that some "people" on this forum love and care more about BTS and STEEM than BM himself! AMAZING!!!!!

BM is the bad guy! the evil one! WOW! LOL

I sudently feel much more "safe" knowing that we have such "good" and "caring" folks around!

What should our next step be, you oh seekers of "justice" and sentinels of "truth"?

Please enlighten us with your infinite wisdom!!!!!! What should we do? Sell? dump? FUD? Troll? whine?

SPEEEEAAK you immortal GODS!!!

You're a real headcase. I have no clue what point you are trying to make. You cheerlead with no real point it seems except you adore BM. Thats cool. Lots of us have been in your shoes at some point.

I have little investment in BTS except for my vesting balance. I however spent too much of my time and life on BTS to give up on it.  Thats why I still rally behind BTS when the Steemit creator tries to steal the userbase from this forum.  I missed out on some great opportunities being a BTS fanboy, but those are my mistakes, not BM's.  It still needs to be pointed out how often BM and Stan say they're going to do one thing and completely don't do it. Thats how this concept of anarchy etc works.

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General Discussion / Re: IS BTS dead?
« on: May 27, 2016, 03:06:21 am »


One idea that comes to mind that has been mentioned before is the large online gaming space.  Video games that use a built in currency or credit system.  These could  be replaced and powered by BitShares where the "currency" can live outside the virtual world.  People play these MMO games 24/7 and buy/sell virtual items inside and outside of the game itself.  A game such as World of Warcraft or Everquest where there is virtual Gold, Silver, Copper, etc... why not have this run a blockchain issued by the game developer?  This takes the community to push these idea's to "real world" companies.  BitShares does offer quite a bit over other crypto that is simply a transfer of value.  Real time worldwide Dex, smartcoins, UIA, and the list goes on.  Each of these could span countless real world products.

Ok, lets discuss game tokens.  Sounds great.  But why would a game ever use tokens on BitShares blockchain when they have to maintain it via fees. It is not a small feat to integrate such a thing.  One could say, oh but it is transparent etc.  Will a gaming company want to point people to the BitShares client so they can look at their tokens?  All this stuff is needless complexity. It is far easier to just setup a DB and write values to that.  Far far easier!  BitShares would be useful if somehow people used it as a system across various games to exchange value. Then a blockchain solution starts to add value.


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General Discussion / Re: IS BTS dead?
« on: May 26, 2016, 09:51:17 pm »
I'm stuck between not wanting to be a Negative Nancy but wanting to express my opinions on the truth.

I really can't see BTS going anywhere.  Little to no development work being done on it.  An address scheme that prevents it from being readily integrated into other crypto-accepting sites.  (Sure someone may have written software somewhere to do it.. but why would anyone care when there is BTC.)  It doesn't seem private/anonymous.  The smartcoins are failing due to a mismatched investors on short vs long.  (This was the part that I never understood to work longterm... How would there be many bitUSD created when you have to find 2 parties to agree on every dollar created.)

I was hoping Chinese would come up with some developers given that I would assume the blockchain could pay them fairly.  I don't think the gaming blockchain project ever had luck finding developers, so will BitShares? BM killed all chances of other projects utilizing the social consensus. It is epicly sad. The worst part is the few who blindly believe in the project. I believed too at one point.  I believed a lot of what I was told only to realize they didn't really mean it. I defended BitShares to those I perceived as producing FUD.

It is still neat software but outside of smartcoins it has no niche that I can see. With development of innovating features no longer existing I have to wonder how it'll ever change. I'm impressed by Xeroc and SVK/roadscape and the work they're doing.  Xeroc seems to have picked up a lot of slack which should probably have been done by BM.

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It seems more like the real reason behind everything is basically "Bytemaster can't or won't support his previous projects."  The dude couldn't even finish out the STEALTH proposal for reasons I don't get.

All the reasons Bytemaster gave for the merger were known BEFOREHAND. A lot of this is just rationalizing after decisions had been made.

It wasn't that no one could figure out how to market, it was that Bytemaster picked a guy that did next to nothing to market it effectively.  I just recently heard a story from someone who went to some Bitcoin conference years ago where BitShares had booth babes. Marketing was good at spending money and I'm sure booth babes are enjoyable to hang out with. Lets not just solely blame the fact that BTC went down in price. There was plenty of mismanaging going on. This affiliate system a lot of us were skeptical about ended up being next to worthless ...


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Parts of this story sound familiar, but one glaring fallacy is "most of the stuff of the headbuilder left in secret from the cargo". Steem doesn't compete with BitShares: as has been pointed out already, it only supports trading its own fixed set of assets (Steem and Steem-backed dollars).

It does compete when Dan started asking BitShares forum users to stop using the bitsharestalk forum that has a community used by everyone in favor of his latest project. It would be one thing if steemit was at least rebranded in some way, but no, the only value is Larimer backed promises on things to happen.  (Whether your Steemit bucks or future development on BitShares exchange..)  If Steemit is some successful project, I can't even see Dan being motivated to go back to Bitshares.

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General Discussion / Re: The DAO price discussion thread.
« on: May 22, 2016, 06:01:22 am »
But it's not fair. Mommy, it's not fair. That mean man won't let me get wealthy without work, creativity, or risk. It's not fair. Doesn't he know who I am? I am a MINER. Mommy! I'm an INVESTOR. Mommy!
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The following was released by Bytemaster well before the steem mining began:

How to Launch a Crypto Currency Legally while Raising Funds

"Perhaps the Bitcoin Communities cultural regulations are a blessing in disguise. By intentionally violating every one of their expectations you can minimize your token’s value at launch while still legally mining a token for minimal cost."

"You just need thick skin and the ability to ignore the Bitcoin pharisees and the angry mob they incite to nail you to a cross for failing to sacrifice your creation to the prevailing mining gods."
http://bytemaster.github.io/article/2016/03/27/How-to-Launch-a-Crypto-Currency-Legally-while-Raising-Funds/


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Sometimes the stench of entitlement around here is just nauseating. Yeah I'm looking at you.

What is the point of this whole project except to leverage the crypto-currency DAC model to create tokens to resell.  The whole thing is distasteful. I don't care, but then I read/hear the dev talking about how BitShares users should go over there!!  Why!?  To tarnish Bitshares even more?  To move BitShares as a project so it has its main forum as a sub-forum of some platform with no real reason to think will particularly succeed. The devs are/were to greedy. The math behind the whole thing is too sketchy to even bother to figure out.

Look at the volume vs capsize. Blah blah. It has little to do with being unfair or entitlement or anything else. Is it entitlement to expect Bytemaster to do what he said he'd do etc ?

BTW @chryspano this thread was going fine and I was defending BitShares the project against btswildpig to some degree. There are no weird motives going but yes this thread has become something else. I'm not going to plead to keep it on subject. Would we be better making a big 'whats wrong with steemit' thread?

Honestly the worst part is how the upvote/downvote are stake weighted. Don't even get me started...  that is a hard problem, but this solution is not an improvement for users. Stake weighted downvoting given all we know seems horrible but I'll leave it to the reader..

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Random Discussion / Re: Why are you still here???
« on: May 18, 2016, 04:40:46 am »
No shit

wot the fawk!

BM builds you a new forum that pays you bitUSD for posting shit about BitShares and you bitch!!

seriously dude, I'm glad you didn't migrate. I hope you stay here and make zero cash.

The best thing that we could do is put a link at the top of this forum to steem. it would get noobs even more juiced about joining the community. u know im right. the steem forum is a kick ass free gift to the bts community

why?

because the bts posts are the ones generating the most cash!!

again u know im right cuz it aint hard to prove

You're telling me those $$$'s at the bottom of each post can be redeemed into liquid crypto-currency at the value presented?

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Random Discussion / Re: Why are you still here???
« on: May 18, 2016, 04:39:30 am »

Speaking about these things.. I saw a transcript for a hangout on Steemit and I believe it was where BM claimed he only worked on Steem because it didn't compete with Bitshares.  Then he turns around and tries to get all the users of this forum which is probably Bitshares' best asset at the moment to abandon it and chase his latest pipe dream.  And it isn't like Steemit will be labeled "Bitshares".  No, Bitshares would be relegated to a sub-forum ! 

Looking out in Bitshares interest as usual. sigh

It appears that the best potential way for people to get funding to work on BitShares is now by posting about their plans and progress at steemit.com. There they can be upvoted and will be PAID, based on community assessment of the value of the post and at zero cost to the community, to carry out such development.

Also, this Forum is not under the control of the BitShares Community but under the control  of BitSapphire who have been extremely unresponsive to suggestions and requests. And posts on this Forum are curated  by individual Moderators rather than by the Community as a whole through voting.

I am amazed that you have not seen this. Sigh.

Bitsapphire keeps this site up and running. It may not take much but they do that much and this site is quite effective at communicating even if it doesn't  have a dozen social media hooks of questionable value.

 This forum is also largely uncensored AFAIK. Steemit has a down arrow. Why do I wish to post there? 

The whole vesting thing comes across as scammy to me even if you can rationalize how incentives are aligned or what have you. I love how steemit has a big market cap but the daily volume is relatively peanuts. 

We all see different things.  If you want to continue believing in people, feel free. I'll feel free to give my honest assessment and nothing more but that'd never work on steemit given my unpopular views.

It is obvious Bytemaster has a team that has stuck with him and users who have too. Good luck with whatever. Obviously they see a different side of things. I just don't want to see Steemit poach BitShares users which is exactly what is going on.

It really comes down to you having faith because you believe they do what they say they'll do. I've had lots of experiences otherwise. The concept of crypto-anarchy etc ONLY works if you stand up for what you feel is true.

We just need some system of being able to know they'll do what they'll say beyond the words of a Larimer.

When steemit removes the downvote from the protocol then I will consider changing my opinion.


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Random Discussion / Re: Why are you still here???
« on: May 17, 2016, 07:49:27 pm »

Speaking about these things.. I saw a transcript for a hangout on Steemit and I believe it was where BM claimed he only worked on Steem because it didn't compete with Bitshares.  Then he turns around and tries to get all the users of this forum which is probably Bitshares' best asset at the moment to abandon it and chase his latest pipe dream.  And it isn't like Steemit will be labeled "Bitshares".  No, Bitshares would be relegated to a sub-forum ! 

Looking out in Bitshares interest as usual. sigh

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General Discussion / Re: The DAO price discussion thread.
« on: May 17, 2016, 04:46:37 pm »
https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

Bytemaster wrote a great article on this over on steemit.

(I'm 100% against the blanket poaching of BitShares forum users to the subforums of a vaguely related project. However.. that article above is a good read.)

I saw a great article on PTS/AGS before written by a Bitcoiner .
I wish I had believed it .  :P :P

however , if you think about it , everybody can write something on why something can not come true , especially in the crypto world .
you're bound to become a good predictor if you bash enough projects .

Yea it is kinda funny...  BitShares was likely hurt by Dan's bashing of Ethereum, so he continues on with The DOA.  "Dead on Arrival!" .. clever.. but not really.  He'll get all the people new to ETH or those not paying attention also against Steemit.

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I do think some bashing is needed to properly analyze the validity of some non-sense BitShares based tokens like xxxx-non-sense-new-money ......
You aren't invested in new money?  Word has it, the founder is a Vitalik Buterin/Steve Jobs type.  It is the new Apple and IBM of the blockchain.  He's learned that marketing the blockchain failed. The most telling was that guy's reaction when he found out he could sell brownie.pts.  Obviously he sold them, but he wasn't even aware there was a marketplace to sell them !  Epic.

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General Discussion / Re: The DAO price discussion thread.
« on: May 17, 2016, 06:11:44 am »
https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

Bytemaster wrote a great article on this over on steemit.

(I'm 100% against the blanket poaching of BitShares forum users to the subforums of a vaguely related project. However.. that article above is a good read.)

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General Discussion / Re: The DAO price discussion thread.
« on: May 14, 2016, 05:28:10 pm »
i think i'll pass .
I have much nightmare about putting my money on programmers and let them spend it to invest on something they thought was cool .   :P :P :P

AGS/PTS/JL777 .......

Your mistake is correlating negative issues with people being 'programmers'.  From what I can tell Chinese education system doesn't produce many programmers so I am not sure what to think but it explains the problems.

IMO your problem is you chose the wrong people. It has nothing to do with them being programmers. Bill Gates was a hardcore programmer... As were a ton of founders.

One needs to always judge their mistakes appropriately.

And I'm not sure how I should response to your question about China ....because nowadays the saying is , "Even if you throw a stone in the street randomly  , you'll hit a programmer " .

Just , most programmer with great skills don't speak English well (nor that they have much time to do so ) . So it's not common for you to encounter many Chinese programmers on line .

I wish the word "China" could be used to expain everything ..... but it doesn't really , aside from sometime glith in the networking environment .

This is interesting.  Sorry I was annoyed last night and was overly rude.  I got home and was reading this stuff all drunky and see people making comparisons to Bytemaster/Bitshares and blaming rpogrammers.

 That does explain a lot of things though, that most programmers in China don't know English.  That explains a lot.  From my perspective, I see China as this big anti-dillution movement that has killed a lot of progress in BTS.  Then I never see programmers step up and want to do the work at whatever price makes Chinese happy. I know alt and abit, but no one making proposals etc.  Honestly, I think this self-funding system has too many problems to fit in with a normal development process. Oh well, I still root for BTS, I wasted too much of my life on it to not.

Back on topic about The DAO. I need to make a decision. I've decided that investing in projects early is probably a better approach than trying trading.  Trading only works for me if there is a information asymmetry which I can use.

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