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General Discussion / Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 30, 2016, 12:36:26 am »
ok, let me clear my point.
If price and popularity is the standard to judge Bitshares success or not, the answer is obvious.
Does someone think about the severe problem? Why people left? BM keep diluting our shares, that is I heard from most people.

below is my opinion to attract people into our community.
1. lower the worker salary
[BSIP10] Percentage-based transfer fee solution based on CER
see this, 3 million bts for a function, that is too much for me ,for most ChinaShares.  I don't know how you think?

2. set a reward fund
like the wroker  mechanism,  but bts come from shareholder who voluntary to give.

3. remove any worker
free developer maybe come. because if they don't contribute for Bitshares, they holded bts will become nothing.
If they work for it for Free. Maybe one day, they will get paid more than they ever paid Worker salary.
that is the motive.

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 09:22:15 am »
@Ben Mason , we all love bts. I am not again the development, but I don't like the Worker Way just as Yunbi.
like you said,  hope one day bitshares true value will reveal itself

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 09:12:45 am »
Quote from: Samupaha on March 29, 2016, 08:51:23 am
Quote from: laow on March 29, 2016, 08:22:30 am
Quote from: Samupaha on March 29, 2016, 08:10:28 am
Quote from: laow on March 29, 2016, 12:40:42 am
Bitshares need a good reputation more than its technology, then people come, developers come.

You are destroying the repuation of Bitshares. You are acting directly against one of the biggest advantage that we have: an ability to fund blockchain development directly from the blockchain. This is a huge thing which other people are starting finally to realize: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckRPUqnFlIs

No developers want to work for a project that is hostile against development. If there are no developers, there is no development. If there is no development, there are no features that customers want. If there are no features, there are no customers.

Current situation his horrible. I have stopped all my marketing efforts for now because I'm ashamed to present Bitshares to anybody. If newbie comes and sees what's happening, he will run away very quickly.

So tell me, how we should go on with marketing? What's working marketing strategy in a situation like this? I don't see any.
During the last two year, how many newbie comes, and how many of them stay?
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Most Online Today: 103. Most Online Ever: 373 (December 05, 2013, 11:28:00 PM) 
See the forum statistics, that is the truth, almost no newbie here. Did the last two year Bitshares stop develope?  then why they left?
It is not shame to present Bitshares to anybody , it is a shame that we can't have them stay.
Old guy left, newbie left, that is the situation.

Yes, I'm very well aware of the fact it's difficult to get people stay. And you are making it even more difficult!

Funding from blockchain is one of our core features, it's adverized on our website, look: https://bitshares.org/technology/stakeholder-approved-project-funding/

If you don't like that, then tell me how you are going to replace it? How the new system will function and how we should market it to potential customers and other developers?

I come in the early PTS day, until today I stand up to post some reply to against the Worker.
It is not me to drive the newbie leave, I don't have such power.

When situation goes like that, then you asked  me to give you a better way to replace it.
Many smart, passionate people, alt, crab has argued for that,  you don't listen.
Even Yunbi, they added BitCNY/CNY market, they added Muse/CNY market.  Can you trade muse
on the other exchange?  Bitshares get great support form Yunbi, why Today they  voted against all workers?

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 08:50:14 am »
Quote from: Ben Mason on March 29, 2016, 08:37:25 am
Quote from: Ben Mason on March 29, 2016, 04:25:08 am
Quote from: laow on March 29, 2016, 02:11:19 am
Quote from: Akado on March 29, 2016, 01:40:06 am
Quote from: Akado on March 29, 2016, 12:44:14 am
Quote from: laow on March 29, 2016, 12:40:42 am
Good job!  +5%
Bitcoin grows well without any paid "workers", think about Linux. Why can't bitshares?
Does the  Bitshares 2.0,  the Worker attract more developers? No, still these people, but Toast left, Vikram left, alt leaving.
Yep, we against increase the supply. Can you see any public company raise what he wants?
Bitshares need a good reputation more than its technology, then people come, developers come.

So in the meantime what do you purpose we do? Will you do maintenance and bug fixing as well as improving the UI for a better user experience?

@laow you still didn't answer my question
If I say yes, can you stop all the dilution, witness ,worker? 

And I have a question too, when the dilution stop, will you shutdown the server,  sell out the bts and leave the community?

Laow, there is a limit to the amount of dilution....there is a maximum supply. Without active development, this project is dead.  Only fools and traders will continue to hold for a time.....

Just please provide one explanation for how maintenance or continued development of core/existing features will be achieved without workers?

Please could you answer this question?

Just please provide one explanation for how maintenance or continued development of core/existing features will be achieved without workers?
Can you tell me first, did other crypto-currency project without Worker dead?

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 08:22:30 am »
Quote from: Samupaha on March 29, 2016, 08:10:28 am
Quote from: laow on March 29, 2016, 12:40:42 am
Bitshares need a good reputation more than its technology, then people come, developers come.

You are destroying the repuation of Bitshares. You are acting directly against one of the biggest advantage that we have: an ability to fund blockchain development directly from the blockchain. This is a huge thing which other people are starting finally to realize: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckRPUqnFlIs

No developers want to work for a project that is hostile against development. If there are no developers, there is no development. If there is no development, there are no features that customers want. If there are no features, there are no customers.

Current situation his horrible. I have stopped all my marketing efforts for now because I'm ashamed to present Bitshares to anybody. If newbie comes and sees what's happening, he will run away very quickly.

So tell me, how we should go on with marketing? What's working marketing strategy in a situation like this? I don't see any.
During the last two year, how many newbie comes, and how many of them stay?
Code: [Select]
Most Online Today: 103. Most Online Ever: 373 (December 05, 2013, 11:28:00 PM) 
See the forum statistics, that is the truth, almost no newbie here. Did the last two year Bitshares stop develope?  then why they left?
It is not shame to present Bitshares to anybody , it is a shame that we can't have them stay.
Old guy left, newbie left, that is the situation.

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 07:34:01 am »
Quote from: Pheonike on March 29, 2016, 04:12:10 am
If you say yes why were not already doing the maintenance?
Since you seem to want to work for free so much.
Yea, but I want more to see the dilution stop, don't I say that is the precondition.

wow, you mentioned ChinaShares. At the AGS time, How much money did 3I collected from chinese investor ? 
without that I doubt  bts can even achieve version 2.0
When you see BM change the rule again and again,  When you see the bts price lower and lower,
When you see  people around the community left,  Why I can't here to against the Worker mechanism.

I am not the paid worker,  so I can't have the different voices? I am still a shareholder here.

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 02:11:19 am »
Quote from: Akado on March 29, 2016, 01:40:06 am
Quote from: Akado on March 29, 2016, 12:44:14 am
Quote from: laow on March 29, 2016, 12:40:42 am
Good job!  +5%
Bitcoin grows well without any paid "workers", think about Linux. Why can't bitshares?
Does the  Bitshares 2.0,  the Worker attract more developers? No, still these people, but Toast left, Vikram left, alt leaving.
Yep, we against increase the supply. Can you see any public company raise what he wants?
Bitshares need a good reputation more than its technology, then people come, developers come.

So in the meantime what do you purpose we do? Will you do maintenance and bug fixing as well as improving the UI for a better user experience?

@laow you still didn't answer my question
If I say yes, can you stop all the dilution, witness ,worker? 

And I have a question too, when the dilution stop, will you shutdown the server,  sell out the bts and leave the community?

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 01:34:04 am »
First, we call Bitshares DAC, Decentralized Autonomous Company.
Then we find it is a shame to call it company, at least no company raise like this.
Maybe we can call Bitshares UCP,  Unlimited Cash Printer.

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 01:18:18 am »
Quote from: Pheonike on March 29, 2016, 12:54:48 am
Yea, Bitcoin developers work for free
 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://medium.com/mit-media-lab-digital-currency-initiative/announcing-a-900-000-bitcoin-developer-fund-6e8b7e8b0861&ved=0ahUKEwjEz9SS1-TLAhVB9GMKHe_jBeIQqG8IGjAA&usg=AFQjCNGX8JwqgVM6Q5hrb4plP8Ktno7omg&sig2=bduSMtX6LAOInbqLl7pPMw
So they increase the bitcoin supply to 21,000,000 + 2000 Ƀ, and have the 2000 Ƀ for his own,  wow!

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General Discussion / Re: Yunbi started voting against all workers except refund/burn workers
« on: March 29, 2016, 12:40:42 am »
Good job!  +5%
Bitcoin grows well without any paid "workers", think about Linux. Why can't bitshares?
Does the  Bitshares 2.0,  the Worker attract more developers? No, still these people, but Toast left, Vikram left, alt leaving.
Yep, we against increase the supply. Can you see any public company raise what he wants?
Bitshares need a good reputation more than its technology, then people come, developers come.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 设置dacs为代理，BM给你分红
« on: March 26, 2016, 12:19:38 am »
写一个功能就能赚300wbts，按两分算，也有六万人民币了，这国内开发一个软件都不用六万。bm真是拿我们的bts不当bts，我看不出这种简单粗暴的机制怎么能支撑bts发展

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 设置dacs为代理，BM给你分红
« on: March 26, 2016, 12:13:19 am »
真可怕，开源软件的魅力不就在于吸引无数的人自发贡献代码，现在这社区都成什么样了啊，没人愿意贡献了，只要bts

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中文 (Chinese) / 谁来说说现在2.0引入的终身会员制
« on: October 19, 2015, 01:57:24 am »
终身会员制有什么好处，有必要注册吗？

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General Discussion / Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« on: July 04, 2015, 01:48:55 am »
- find some way to solve the problem that client doesn't run on xp in the early release.
- help people who have difficult in using the bts client on my qq group.

my bts id: laow

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Moonstone.io Chinese version
« on: March 29, 2015, 02:13:53 am »
这个跟toast那个轻钱包不是一个吧

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