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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 最大的疑问来了(Here comes the biggest question)
« on: November 11, 2014, 02:15:23 am »
BM不说话了，500刀就妥妥的了···
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 为什么温和的通胀对系统有利
« on: November 04, 2014, 11:58:28 pm »
转账成本根本不是事儿，一点都不高，系统的盈利主要来自于交易费用。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 为什么温和的通胀对系统有利
« on: November 04, 2014, 11:56:27 pm »
不通胀也可以做到转账成本不高呢？对用户来讲，选择bitusd的原因肯定不是低成本，而是方便。方便是相对于这个资金原来的通道而言。比特币因为转账成本低吗？当然不低，非常高。打开一个客户端，到账时间都是很高的成本，时间就是成本。比特币是争取的灰色地带的用户啊···
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 大家的沉默不代表没有意见，两个问题：sfender多重代表恶意喊空。推广费财务透明，真理越辩越明！
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:27:14 am »
先被群殴，然后提出3i中国的问题。顺序搞清楚了，这就明白了。
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General Discussion / Re: The Declaration of Independence (pay)Day Prize Party #7 with 777 BTSX in prizes!
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:08:35 am »
its not about profit，it's about trust.
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General Discussion / Hey,BM,do we really need dilution to pay for developers ? Let's calculate !
« on: November 02, 2014, 03:41:03 pm »
Translated from：https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10902.msg143596#msg143596
I think one thing need to be stressed at this point is that as a DAC , delegates are essentially company employees , the coder and other contributors are also considered as company employees ,The company pays their employee from profit , and then give dividend to the shareholders , there is nothing wrong with that . We need to calculate if without dilution , can the employees still get paid ?
According to the current model , 10 seconds per block , a delegate will have 6*60*24*30/101=2566 blocks.
Now the average transaction fee per block is 2 BTSX , assuming the trading volumes will be multiple by 5 times , and the price reaches 0.0819 USD , the transaction fee limits to 0.2 BTSX , then the monthly income for a delegate would be 2566*2*5*2*0.0819 USD = 4203 USD .One delegate is enough to support a developer , and the whole system can at least supports 50 developers (the rest of the incomes goes to the regular delegate).
This task can be easily accomplished by :
1. Do not simply merge into one simple BTSX , but merge DNS VOTE PTS etc. as assets .
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10303.msg135260#msg135260
2. Simplify the short rules of the inner-market , in the meantime optimize the GUI of the wallet and make it comfortable , so there will be a substantial amount of trading volume going into the inner-market , for it's lower cost and more safety .
3.Set up a changer ，at the very least we should connect the inner-market with the outside exchanges , that can be done by a user issue asset . I heard some exchanges are trying to do that ，that would be awesome .
It will be ok if the transaction fee rise up to 0.2 BTSX , the cost is still very low comparing to the other exchanges .
If the two key point mentioned before can be accomplished , plus if Bytemaster can release less crazy ideas , or at least all the new ideas should be related to new technologies and business models instead of interest reapportion ,it would not be difficult for the price rise up to 0.0819 USD . Honor the rules of the market , never try to violate it .
About the rules of the market , I want to stress three points :
1. Trust is hard to built and easy to destroy . From my personal experience , I though the way 3I operates were consistently fair , they have ultimate control over the BTS system , and yet they've never let us down on interest allocation before , even exceeded our expectations . We know that comes with a high price----All the BTSX are allocated and the interest of the developers can not be guaranteed . After all these hard work , 3I finally gained trust ,and yet still got a negative image for a merger plan . The reason for this would be : Anything that tries to adjust the status quo is gonna effect someone's interest , and the ones who's interest were effected can not fight back . The issue with dilution fits my case even better , we mentioned before BTSX is a profiting system , and the advantage of deflation was even advertise majorly . Do not violate the rules of the market , do not calculate the lost and gain of the system , the most important thing should be gaining the trust . Trust is a complicated evaluating process , and the conclusion is simple --- Do you worth our trust or not ? Most of the outside participants do not have the patience to do the evaluation , you have to make this process as simple as possible , do not violate your promises .
2. Do not feel it's ok because my particular interest hasn't been violated , personal interest can only be satisfied by the maximum interest for the whole .
3. Never take away someone's private property , regardless how he got it in the first place .
ps：Im a very early investor，i paid 500btsx for this translation，please consider carefully.im really seriously.
I think one thing need to be stressed at this point is that as a DAC , delegates are essentially company employees , the coder and other contributors are also considered as company employees ,The company pays their employee from profit , and then give dividend to the shareholders , there is nothing wrong with that . We need to calculate if without dilution , can the employees still get paid ?
According to the current model , 10 seconds per block , a delegate will have 6*60*24*30/101=2566 blocks.
Now the average transaction fee per block is 2 BTSX , assuming the trading volumes will be multiple by 5 times , and the price reaches 0.0819 USD , the transaction fee limits to 0.2 BTSX , then the monthly income for a delegate would be 2566*2*5*2*0.0819 USD = 4203 USD .One delegate is enough to support a developer , and the whole system can at least supports 50 developers (the rest of the incomes goes to the regular delegate).
This task can be easily accomplished by :
1. Do not simply merge into one simple BTSX , but merge DNS VOTE PTS etc. as assets .
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10303.msg135260#msg135260
2. Simplify the short rules of the inner-market , in the meantime optimize the GUI of the wallet and make it comfortable , so there will be a substantial amount of trading volume going into the inner-market , for it's lower cost and more safety .
3.Set up a changer ，at the very least we should connect the inner-market with the outside exchanges , that can be done by a user issue asset . I heard some exchanges are trying to do that ，that would be awesome .
It will be ok if the transaction fee rise up to 0.2 BTSX , the cost is still very low comparing to the other exchanges .
If the two key point mentioned before can be accomplished , plus if Bytemaster can release less crazy ideas , or at least all the new ideas should be related to new technologies and business models instead of interest reapportion ,it would not be difficult for the price rise up to 0.0819 USD . Honor the rules of the market , never try to violate it .
About the rules of the market , I want to stress three points :
1. Trust is hard to built and easy to destroy . From my personal experience , I though the way 3I operates were consistently fair , they have ultimate control over the BTS system , and yet they've never let us down on interest allocation before , even exceeded our expectations . We know that comes with a high price----All the BTSX are allocated and the interest of the developers can not be guaranteed . After all these hard work , 3I finally gained trust ,and yet still got a negative image for a merger plan . The reason for this would be : Anything that tries to adjust the status quo is gonna effect someone's interest , and the ones who's interest were effected can not fight back . The issue with dilution fits my case even better , we mentioned before BTSX is a profiting system , and the advantage of deflation was even advertise majorly . Do not violate the rules of the market , do not calculate the lost and gain of the system , the most important thing should be gaining the trust . Trust is a complicated evaluating process , and the conclusion is simple --- Do you worth our trust or not ? Most of the outside participants do not have the patience to do the evaluation , you have to make this process as simple as possible , do not violate your promises .
2. Do not feel it's ok because my particular interest hasn't been violated , personal interest can only be satisfied by the maximum interest for the whole .
3. Never take away someone's private property , regardless how he got it in the first place .
ps：Im a very early investor，i paid 500btsx for this translation，please consider carefully.im really seriously.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 需不需要增发，我来算个帐。
« on: November 02, 2014, 02:50:00 pm »
完全不看好预付卡这个，bts争取的是屌丝，而不是高大上的金融。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 需不需要增发，我来算个帐。
« on: November 02, 2014, 01:46:11 pm »
合并后dac开发者的利益，照旧以分得股份的方式来运行。
战略投资人进来可以增发，这个另当别论，而且也说得过去。我倒是不认为需要什么战略投资者，他们可以提供附加服务的方式来收取费用，获得利益。就像bitpay，coinbase一样，没听说btc为他们做了增发。
战略投资人进来可以增发，这个另当别论，而且也说得过去。我倒是不认为需要什么战略投资者，他们可以提供附加服务的方式来收取费用，获得利益。就像bitpay，coinbase一样，没听说btc为他们做了增发。
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中文 (Chinese) / 需不需要增发，我来算个帐。
« on: November 02, 2014, 01:19:22 pm »
我觉得需要明确一点，作为一个无人自治公司，受托人就相当于公司雇员，代码贡献者和其他贡献者当然也算作公司雇员，公司的盈利先给雇员发工资，然后再股东分红，无可厚非。我们要计算一下如果不增发的话，能不能满足雇员工资的支出。
按照现有的模式：每10秒一个块，一个代表一个月有：6*60*12*30/100=1296个块
现在每个块平均2个btsx
假设交易活跃5倍，价格到5毛，交易费每个块限制在0.2左右，那么每个月每个代表将有 1296*2*5*2*0.5=12960rmb
一个代表应该可以养活一个开发人员，整个系统最少也可以养活50个开发人员（剩余的给一般受托人）。
交易活跃5倍很容易达到。
1.不要并购成一个大的btsx，而是采用内建资产的方式合并，将dns vote pts等资产内置到x中。
2.内盘的short规则也尽量简化，同时尽快优化钱包界面，让人用着舒服，那么在交易网站上的交易量很大一部分就转移到内盘来了，因为内盘成本更低而且更加安全！
3.做好兑换商，最差也要把内盘外盘连接起来，发行个资产就可以做到。欣闻有交易所已经有意如此，很好。内置时代和云币的资产，把内外盘连接好，这样就接近完美了。
交易费的提高到0.2btsx还好，成本依然非常的低，远远低于交易平台。
价格到五毛也不难，前两点做到后，再加上BM少发表crazy idea，或者说，所有的新主意只能基于新的技术和商业模式，而不是利益的重新分配。要尊敬市场规范，永远不要触犯它。
关于市场规范我想提醒两点：
1.信任的建立非常困难，摧毁它却很容易。从我个人的角度讲，我觉得3i的做法一贯比较厚道，他拥有对bts系统无可争议的控制力，但在利益分配上一直没有让我们失望，甚至超出了预期。我们知道这个代价非常大---btsx全部分完了，研发人员的利益难以保证。付出了这么多的努力，终于迎来了信任，却在一个合并事项上产生了很大的负面影响。原因就是：任何改变利益格局的事情都会导致有利益受损者，同时，基于现在的情况，利益受损者无力反抗。
对股份的增发更是如此，我们最初提及的是个盈利的系统，通缩甚至被作为优点宣扬过。
不要触犯市场规则，不要计算系统的得失，最重要的是信任的得失。
信任是个复杂的判断过程，但结论却很简单，值得信任或者不值得相信。绝大部分外部参与者没有耐心做这个价值判断，你要做的是尽量让这个过程简单一些，不要违反你的承诺。
2.不要因为自己的利益没有受损就沾沾自喜，bts的利益最大化才符合个体的根本利益。
打土豪分田地的思维要不得。如果国家有一天规定，所有贪官的贪得人民币不能被承认（如果技术上可以做到的话），你猜结果会怎样？人民币会立刻剧烈贬值。
按照现有的模式：每10秒一个块，一个代表一个月有：6*60*12*30/100=1296个块
现在每个块平均2个btsx
假设交易活跃5倍，价格到5毛，交易费每个块限制在0.2左右，那么每个月每个代表将有 1296*2*5*2*0.5=12960rmb
一个代表应该可以养活一个开发人员，整个系统最少也可以养活50个开发人员（剩余的给一般受托人）。
交易活跃5倍很容易达到。
1.不要并购成一个大的btsx，而是采用内建资产的方式合并，将dns vote pts等资产内置到x中。
2.内盘的short规则也尽量简化，同时尽快优化钱包界面，让人用着舒服，那么在交易网站上的交易量很大一部分就转移到内盘来了，因为内盘成本更低而且更加安全！
3.做好兑换商，最差也要把内盘外盘连接起来，发行个资产就可以做到。欣闻有交易所已经有意如此，很好。内置时代和云币的资产，把内外盘连接好，这样就接近完美了。
交易费的提高到0.2btsx还好，成本依然非常的低，远远低于交易平台。
价格到五毛也不难，前两点做到后，再加上BM少发表crazy idea，或者说，所有的新主意只能基于新的技术和商业模式，而不是利益的重新分配。要尊敬市场规范，永远不要触犯它。
关于市场规范我想提醒两点：
1.信任的建立非常困难，摧毁它却很容易。从我个人的角度讲，我觉得3i的做法一贯比较厚道，他拥有对bts系统无可争议的控制力，但在利益分配上一直没有让我们失望，甚至超出了预期。我们知道这个代价非常大---btsx全部分完了，研发人员的利益难以保证。付出了这么多的努力，终于迎来了信任，却在一个合并事项上产生了很大的负面影响。原因就是：任何改变利益格局的事情都会导致有利益受损者，同时，基于现在的情况，利益受损者无力反抗。
对股份的增发更是如此，我们最初提及的是个盈利的系统，通缩甚至被作为优点宣扬过。
不要触犯市场规则，不要计算系统的得失，最重要的是信任的得失。
信任是个复杂的判断过程，但结论却很简单，值得信任或者不值得相信。绝大部分外部参与者没有耐心做这个价值判断，你要做的是尽量让这个过程简单一些，不要违反你的承诺。
2.不要因为自己的利益没有受损就沾沾自喜，bts的利益最大化才符合个体的根本利益。
打土豪分田地的思维要不得。如果国家有一天规定，所有贪官的贪得人民币不能被承认（如果技术上可以做到的话），你猜结果会怎样？人民币会立刻剧烈贬值。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 严重问题，绝对不能设定锁定期
« on: October 24, 2014, 01:00:57 am »
不过我比较支持pts vote dns不锁定，ags锁定个两年。
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