Quote from: smiley35 on May 20, 2014, 11:42:43 pm

The important part that seems to get lost in the noise is that every change/update made is done in a way that increases the value proposition for those invested. AGS was a phenomenal deal for PTS holders if one could see through the curtain of technical and economic development. Similarly whats happening here is that instead of spending the remaining PTS on security, it will now be used to get people excited and incentivized to use bitshares.

I will try to adhere to your polite tone!
 I do not argue with the need for marketing! (read my post, please.)
My post is regarding Stan's stance (bytemaster kind of distanced himself from this proposition in his earlier post) - ‘You fools out here, we have the best marketing Idea. Instead of giving you 15% (i.e. not diluting your shares as promised), we will take those money and PROMISE to give you 2X….10X return.’
My point is ‘If we have 15% of the  PTS, let’s put our collective brain and decide what is the best way to spend them’

Quote from: smiley35 on May 18, 2014, 06:24:20 pm

You come and spam our forum with your ad's in two different places, then you ask for money in NXT. You should be embarrassed.

I am sorry, for spam!

Quote from: smiley35 on May 17, 2014, 08:10:23 pm

Quote from: AdamBLevine on May 15, 2014, 08:38:24 pm

Quote from: Stan on May 15, 2014, 04:50:49 pm

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Quote from: amatoB on May 14, 2014, 06:03:20 am

It's my hope that Bitshares XT and at least 1 or 2 other DACs will be launched and fully tested/debugged well before the Beyond Bitcoin conference in early July. That way, some Bitshares flagship DACs can be marketed in the lead-up to the conference. Even better if Bitshares X will have been launched by then, but that may be asking for a lot...

It'd be a shame not to use this giant, upcoming opportunity to showcase some things!

The Beyond Bitcoin conference was canceled as far as I know.

Deferred, not canceled, until we have several DACs in the top ten at coinmarketcap.com.   

lol

Hey Adam, I've been a listener since last mayish and I came here because of you. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, just wondering why you have such an attitude on these forums. Yes the products are late, we have also been kept up to date the whole time on the reasoning (DPOS) and progress being made. We are on the edge of breakthrough here and I can't figure out why you're being so negative. I'm not looking for a fight, I just want to know where your coming from?

Because Invictus has set and broken many many many self imposed deadlines, adopted an investment strategy I wholly disagree with and provided what I feel was a better and less restrictive (for invictus) model and feel their decision has delivered bad results with development dominated by the one player who already proved to miss deadlines and not be able to do many things at once.

Most recently, Dan has bet the entire project on an experimental lower level transaction processing technology (DPOS) before the actual point of the project (Betting, Assets, etc) can be developed.  This came after a previous attempt at doing the same thing with a new experimental lower level transaction processing technology (TAPOS) that was worked on for a few weeks and then abandoned when they ran into unforeseen problems.   

There is nothing stopping that from being the case with DPOS, it just hasn't happened yet.   Even worse would be to launch quickly with the completely untested tech, have it "used with real money" as they say it needs to be in order to test it, and then people get that "real money" stolen due to a previously unknown exploit.   

I'm a long time supporter, but projects like this have forum turnover where new users aren't aware of the history of promises made and broken before they joined the project.  With that context, things look less optimistic.  Invictus could turn things around but I'm results oriented and so far the results from invictus have been atrocious.

 Now they've spent enough time and collected enough money that there is incredible pressure being brought to bear on them to produce results, I'm a squeaky wheel not Invictus's real problem by any means.  People do not develop well under that sort of pressure, I don't have high hopes.

I have been pounding on these same issues with Invictus for a very long time, so my exasperation is exactly that - exasperation.  It is frustrating as hell to see them walk into the same predictable landmines.  Do you know how long it took them to get a Blog to centralize important information about Bitshares for people who have invested?  Nearly six months. My concern about Angelshares is Invictus was on the one side making it harder for people to get them "for free" during the initial bootstrap of the Bitshares network, but also the risk of sucking up all the money available for investment and Invictus BECOMING the ecosystem rather than becoming a catalyzing player in the ecosystem.      We've now seen how Invictus becoming the ecosystem has smothered it since they have so much going on they don't have time to make good decisions to steward its growth.

I'm still here because, among other things, Bitshares is the only project who still holds my investment trapped.  Angelshares have not delivered as advertised, Protoshares have had their value smooshed so it's in my economic best interest to stick around and try to correct the boat on Bitshares.  I am a squeaky wheel, I'm not special but I do tend to be early so the fact that the situation with Invictus is as troubling to a guy like me should be a warning sign.

I can't quote from this thread, but you can see the early discussion about Invictus starting something like Angelshares. I went by Lighthouse at the time. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1397.0

I listened to this yesterday. Useful to get these sorts of updates, thanks Toast. Point taken about not giving out 'delivery times' for software. I wondered if a road map or something that sketches out progress markers might be well received, even if no times are specified. Has the order of release for the DACs planned to date been decided yet?

Quote from: Agent86 on May 06, 2014, 08:20:16 am

Hi Populus,

Keyhotee is temporarily taking a backseat to other priorities at the moment.  They have pulled the developers who were working on it so everyone can focus on bitshares XT for now.  You aren't really late to the party for investing.  You'll have to wait to invest in bitshares XT (the test chain of bitshares X) until it launches because the initial allocation "snapshot" has past.  But, you can still invest in everything else that comes afterward by buying BitShares PTS or by sending BitShares PTS or BTC to the AGS address.  BitShares PTS is pretty cheap at the moment as it has come down in price along with the rest of crypto so it's a better deal than it was a month or so ago.

I think your voice-over or copywriter skills may be useful to the community, thanks for offering!  If you notice needed corrections or suggestions for the bitshares.org website you can let people know.

Thanks for the info. Are there any other forums where Keyhotee is discussed?

Quote from: smiley35 on May 06, 2014, 05:50:45 pm

What is a copy writer? like you work for the GOV you mean?

The government? No.
A copywriter's job is to write texts for the public and get them interested in X. It could be a product, a service or it could be Keyhotee.