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I like this idea. Forcing someone to take a profit on their short position shouldn't be seen as a bad thing IMO.. as they are in the black and it benefits the greater good of BitsharesX in multiple ways. They can just reclaim their position if they are forced to cover, the market peg is more accurate, bitassets have higher liquidity, and thus it brings more value to BitsharesX as a whole.

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delegate.coinhoarder

updated & synced

Thanks

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The primary utility for BitUSD within our community is hedging against bubbles.
The secondary utility (longer term) is as a means of payment.

I agree, but I think there are more bulls than bears which creates a bit of an issue in regards to providing buy support for bitUSD.

Still even with that in mind, I think the market peg could hold given the proper variables. I don't think we can judge the experiment as failed until bitUSD has utility as payment, as we only have half of the empirical evidence of the experiment. Even worse, the half of the empirical evidence that we do have is flawed in that the past couple days since the update a lot of people haven't had access to their BTSX. I have been trying all day long for 2 days to get my balance from 0 to what it was before.. there is something really messed up this update with syncing and/or connecting. I think a lot of these people that don't have access to their BTSX would have been buying bitUSD the past couple days as the price was falling. I know I would have myself if I could of got access to it.

Half of the empirical evidence is flawed and half of it is non-existent (and likely will be for some time.) I think it is too early to tell if the original market functions work or not. If you want to make temporary changes to reach market parity, then I guess I am OK with that, but the original formula should still be tested when we are able to have more fair of a test. I believe the original plan for bitassets and how the market should function will work when all the variables that are needed fall into place. It is unfortunately at this point a flawed experiment that was setup to fail because the evidence is flawed and impartial.

I guess now I am just repeating myself (even within this post haha). That is just my opinion, I trust BM and co to do whatever is good for Bitshares, so whatever you decide I will support it.

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please just make the change that prevents any short that is below the median price feed from being matched...

Any reason not to make the change?

Because then the bitasset ecosystem is not truly decentralized. Isn't that what bitassets are all about in the first place? Accurately determining the price of an asset in a completely decentralized manner?

Give the system time to mature. Many people cannot even access their funds and thus the market because of software bugs. It is a broken experiment thus far that was setup for failure. Give time for the bugs to be fixed, market depth and liquidity to increase, THEN judge whether the experiment was successful or not.
The decentralized feed doesn't change the fact that bitUSD is still decentralized and useful and it doesn't defeat the purpose.  Giving it more time won't help and will decrease confidence.  I'm confident it won't work for reasons that go beyond looking at the price action.  I proposed the feeds because I thought we would need a backstop and I don't know why we switched to moving averages or why everyone hates the feed just on principle.  There's nothing wrong with using a feed and it doesn't violate any important principles.

There is no such thing as a decentralized feed... the data fed to the "decentralized" feeds are from centralized sources, and there is a smallish group of people that publish the said "decentralized" feeds. There are two weak links in that chain and it is not decentralized... call is pseudo-decentralized if you must, but it is not ideal and not decentralized in the sense of the true meaning of the word.

On top of there being not enough market depth and liquidity, bitUSD has another underlying factor that is stopping it from reaching parity, and changing the way the decentralized exchange functions will not fix it. That underlying issue is that there is simply not much demand for bitUSD. I would venture to say that a deflationary asset (gold/bitcoin?) with the exact same market system as bitUSD would be closer to its actual value, because then people have more of a reason to want to purchase it rather than hold onto their BTSX.

I think we as a community need to get together and organize projects that will increase the utility of bitUSD, because at the moment you can only buy or sell it and nothing else. I think most people in the Bitshares ecosystem are bullish on BitsharesX, so the demand is just not there. We need to get organized, brainstorm about the best use cases for bitUSD, and then raise funds and build those uses for it. I think things like gateways which would allow bitUSD to be spent anywhere Bitcoin is accepted is a good start, perhaps a multi-pool that pays out in bitUSD, things like this will increase the demand and thus keep bitUSD closer to its real life counterpart.

It is not the market system that is broken, the demand is just not there right now. We need to work on that as a community.

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General Discussion / Re: Good idea, but bad executor, BTSX is dying
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:42:58 pm »
After downloaded 0.4.9a, no connection bug comes again, just like 0.4.9 and 0.4.8............From 0.1.0 to 0.4.9a, after tons of update, 3I could not even produce a stable WIN wallet that can connect to network, what a jokeļ¼ I am very disappointed at the dev team. The drop of price tells everything.  Yes, there is some method to resolve it, but I am not a programmer or geek, nor I have time to play with it. I dump, I leave, byebye.

This is valuable feedback on user sentiment/experience and should not be taken lightly.

Yes, there is a core group here that understands the tech is beta and we are all amazed at how well the peg has held up.

But we cannot ignore that BTSX is in the wild, has climbed up the leader board and is now visible to a much wider audience.

These concerns have merit and we should be more sympathetic to users that are frustrated - they have cause to be.

So let's acknowledge rather than dismiss.

I agree, the OP was giving valid criticism and it should be considered not dismissed. We gained a lot of users the past week or so with the huge run up in price and launch of bitassets, and the attention that both of those things brought Bitshares. When people's first impression is that of bug riddled software, that is not a good first impression to make. First impressions are very important.

I hope that all the Bitshares team has put other DACs aside and are working on fixing bugs rather than fixing bitassets or working on new DACs. If the first Bitshares project is a bust, then the remaining projects are likely to be a bust as well. The success of BitsharesX is paramount to the success of the Bitshares brand.

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please just make the change that prevents any short that is below the median price feed from being matched...

Any reason not to make the change?

Because then the bitasset ecosystem is not truly decentralized. Isn't that what bitassets are all about in the first place? Accurately determining the price of an asset in a completely decentralized manner?

Give the system time to mature. Many people cannot even access their funds and thus the market because of software bugs. It is a broken experiment thus far that was setup for failure. Give time for the bugs to be fixed, market depth and liquidity to increase, THEN judge whether the experiment was successful or not.

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General Discussion / Re: Here's what you need to do..
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:22:21 pm »
 +5%  +5% +5% +5% (to the OP)

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Please focus on fixing bugs instead.

IMO- The reason bitUSD is trading at a discount is there aren't enough buyers yet, it has nothing to do with the system being broken. Let it mature and depth & liquidity increase, then bitUSD will more closely equal a US dollar.

We need to create more uses for bitUSD so people have more of a reason to buy it. I don't think it being stable and/or speculating BTSX will fall are good enough reasons to create ample buying pressure.

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Technical Support / Re: 0.4.9a not syncing with connections
« on: August 29, 2014, 03:59:21 pm »
Exit the client. Make sure it's also not running in Task Manager and start it back up. It should continue from there.

Not necessarily. I made the mistake of trying to re-install the client yesterday and re-download the block chain. I've been getting nothing but "not connected" errors and am having an impossible time fully syncing the block chain. I literally tried all day yesterday, and was trying to do several different things to no avail.  :(

The latest release is bugged

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I was told that the moving average already took over for bitUSD and we didn't need to publish feeds for it. Is that correct or no?

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General Discussion / Re: Delegates: Publish price feeds for BitBTC
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:26:02 am »
Most people can't even connect to peers or sync since the latest update. I seriously doubt it's a good time to launch the bitBTC market. I mean... you guys can try, but there's probably not going to be enough depth.

Hopefully an update is rolled out soon. That being said... I published a feed.

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Everyone seems to be having trouble syncing, and problems with their connection since the latest updates.

The things in the OP don't seem to be working anymore, so please just wait for DACsun to release an updated client.

If you absolutely need access to your funds, the Linux client still works OK from what I can tell. You can dump your private key using the steps in the windows wallet, then import it into your Linux wallet.

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General Discussion / Re: Can I have 0.4.8-c ,Please!
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:15:10 am »
Can I have 0.4.8 - c? (generally 0.4.8 working with the fork, and having the correct market engine)

Why? Before 0.4.9, I had  no severe problems.
0.4.9 has no improvements GUI-wise (all the non working stuff is still there). The only difference I saw was that 0.4.9 was the first version that never managed to sync form me. And with 0.4.9-a I send so many 'Error Reports" that I am certain, twice as bigger team as 3I has, will spend all of their 16h work days just reading them. 

All of the above stuff on windows 7.

And now totally committed to only run the client on linux... the

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Makes it crush too... twice tried, twice failed...





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Everyone seems to be having issues with this latest update. A lot of syncing issues and "not connected" issues that are not resolvable using prior fixes (hacks.) I agree earlier versions were better, I have had some issues with them but none so messed up I couldn't get it to connect or sync after trying a few different things. I tried re-installing 0.4.8, 0.4.9, and 0.4.9a but it they all had the same issues.

I guess just be patient and hopefully they can locate the bugs and roll out an update tomorrow. It is kind of tilting though.. it can't be helping the value to have such a bug riddled client. I hope they can get everything working OK soon.

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General Discussion / Re: Delegates: Publish price feeds for BitBTC
« on: August 29, 2014, 06:13:12 am »

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