Quote from: cass on August 18, 2015, 05:14:11 pm

Quote from: Riverhead on August 18, 2015, 01:01:42 am

Quote from: 38PTSWarrior on August 18, 2015, 12:19:00 am

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

Really Cass, you too? The Software is good & the community sucks? Are you a shareholder in CNX?

The current wallet is the hardest to use in crypto & the community has diluted themselves more than any other in crypto & BTS has underperformed more than any crypto in the top 10 the last 12 months

When they started PTS the community supported them, when they said that wasn't enough, the community said OK to AGS. When BM said I'm considering moving to VOTE before 1.0, BTSX gave up 20% for a merger to become the sole focus. When AGS ran out and dilution was needed, they gave that. When they said we've formed CNX to profit from the toolkit, private blockchain opportunities and some decentralised ones that don't directly compete with BTS. The community stayed.

Look at the massive list of contributions people have made in the brownie PTS thread not expecting a reward at the time.

I really think there's a small group that have twisted reality to justify selfish actions and failures by somehow saying the community is too blame as well as trying to stereotype that community when it's made up of an incredibly diverse global group of varying backgrounds and beliefs.

I disagree so much.  The community is strong, but the 0.x version software wasnt good, and that is one of the main things that hurt us.  That and changing things too many times and diluting.

It can all come together in 2.0 though, we should get great software that can be promoted by our great community.

 

Ridiculous that anyone can complain about the BTS community at this point. Obviously some people are just in it for the money but where won't you find people like that? And who says there's anything inherently wrong about being profit-motivated, anyway?

Can't judge an entire group of people based on the thoughts/actions of a few.

Quote from: fav on August 13, 2015, 05:14:23 pm

it's beyond me how ungrateful some of you are. if a developer decides to sharedrop on us, first thing ANYONE should do is thank them and encourage them. how they sharedrop is their business, no idea how and why some think they have the right to interfere.

I don't have a problem with the sharedrop per se - I could hardly care less since I view all those other projects as a distractive vaporware with no chance of succeeding.

What I do strongly object to is Bitshares' developers and maintainers undermining Bitshares value proposition by starting a competing token and actively promoting it to business partners.

  exactly

Quote from: nomoreheroes7 on August 13, 2015, 02:21:30 pm

Has there been any word as to around when the snapshot is expected to take place?

It could be announced with some advance warning like we have done in the past, but we really like xeroc's ideas about announcing it at some point AFTER it has occurred.  This would minimize any "black swan" impact to the chain from people pumping then dumping around a pre-announced snapshot date.  It would also have the effect of encouraging people to HODL their shares for a long-term probability of a snapshot, not just buying in just in time to collect.  This rewards HODLers which is not a bad idea.

Here's what xeroc recently posted:

Quote from: xeroc on August 13, 2015, 12:16:33 pm

Quote from: Stan on August 13, 2015, 12:14:30 pm

Quote from: xeroc on August 13, 2015, 09:17:00 am

Quote from: triox on August 13, 2015, 09:06:37 am

It clearly IS competing against BTS as a sharedrop target and against BTS market value.

Actually there is one argument AGAINST using BTS as sharedrop target no-one brought up yet:
If you can recall PTS prices, what exactly happened after 28th of february last year?
BTS(X) market cap was effectively taken out of the PTS market cap at the time of the snapshot and the priced tanked big time.
Because BTS are used as collateral, this may result in ... you guess it .. a black swan (of course only if the airdropping market cap is large vs. BTS's market cap)

Also, IMHO, the goal of a snapshot is NOT to drive the price up (because it will go down again eventually) .... but to honor a community.

In my opinion, snapshots nowadays only make sense if you do them without further notice .. that way you
* do not drive price up
* prevent a price tanking at the time of the snapshot
* while you are still able to drop on your valuable demographic

Just my thoughts ..

I guess having the possibility of a snapshot that could occur at any time would encourage folks not to leave their BTS on some external exchange and not to sell BTS even temporarily just to fool around promiscuously with other coins...

^^ THIS! but mainly because of what I stated in my previous post.

I have to agree with all this logic, and I hope this is the direction things go. Here's to hoping the snapshot is 2:30 pm EST yesterday, to reward those who had enough faith in Brownies to hodl before realizing just how precious BM's gift was. 

I understand what Stan is saying about brownies (how they're "fun", generally represent BTS contributors, etc), but I can't help but feel like they're just a form of repeated past mistakes (AGS, PTS, rolled into BTS, people still want AGS & PTS recognized anyway, complaints abound)...just seems like another avenue for controversy/further confusion of the BTS brand image to me. Especially with the highly centralized/selective nature of their distribution. They may seem fun, but as soon as money and sharedrops are on the line you can bet things get serious real quick.

The reality is that everyone's simply going to fight for whichever asset he or she has the most stake in. If we wanted to avoid controversy, they shouldn't have had to make a choice to begin with.

My 2 BTS.

Sharedrops are great though, I love to see announcements of BTS getting sharedrops.

Oh don't you worry, I'm sure the sharedrop will be neatly divided among PTS, AGS, BTS, Brownie, Note, PTS 2.0, Brownie.PTS, DevShares...

 

But really, does the ann specify that BTS is specifically getting the drop? I'm not seeing it anywhere...

So are you saying something like this:

"Every Address with > 1000 bts will receive 10 MKR" I for one would create a bunch of accounts and spread out a large portion of my BTS to take advantage.  This would be done easily and securely and would definitely be gamed.

I would imagine the drop is proportional to BTS held. Say x% of BTS held per address up to a max of say 1,000,000 BTS. Empty addresses get nothing. The only ones who might game it would be those with like 5 million BTS split across a bunch of accounts. Doubt that's going to be a huge problem though. And it would make it so exchanges like BTC38 don't get credited for their millions upon millions of BTS held (unless they too split accounts? not sure).

Hell you could even make the sharedrop effective as of stake held yesterday, before we even thought of this, hah.

lol I still remember rune's awesome post theorizing a "hostile takeover" of bitcoin by BTS...good times. Definitely interested to see what you have brewing. Still wish you'd come back to BTS though, you beautiful genius you  .