Quote from: Murderistic on July 06, 2015, 11:20:29 pm

Though people want to hear more from some partners, it just may not happen as you are really pushing for.  Some are out there running their business in a different manner, do not really talk on forums, etc.  There are many types of businesses, and many models, theirs works for them without the interaction, etc. As a few others have said, it doesn't matter if we hear from every partner. 

When coding in Java, etc - do the devs and Java community expect everyone that uses their technology to report in, etc?  No.

What I was trying to convey earlier was that consumers need not know that this game company has switched to blockchain tech.  For them they may not know for a while, or ever.  That should be ok with us.  If they want to educate their users about how they are securing their assets, securing their data, etc that is for them to decide.  Being able to work with partners and integrate into different types of business outside of the crypto community is the key to mainstream, not focusing on those that understand it, or it's values.

Max, Stan and crew all worked on this quite a bit over the last several months, and all deserve praise on this.  It will be really awesome to see a real business outside of the crypto world with revenues using BitShares to secure their business.

So the shareholder of the project has no right to know who is jumping on board, what their intentions, objectives, incentives, and experience/qualifications are?

Do you see how fast this project is moving away from decentralized with Cryptonomex in control? This is a clear example the Cryptonomex is doing what they think is best for Cryptonomex?

Sorry, but you guys need the crypto community to embrace this first. Decentralized is a core ideal that gave birth to the blockchain. You can tell me all day Cryptonomex won't have control and will work for free for Bitshares despite the opposite being said, but the more centralized you are the harder mass adoption will be.

I think this project, with DPOS and the large stakes held by I3 people put the project very close to the decentralized side of the decentralized/centralized event horizon. With Cryptonomex licensing code for profit, I think you will find the project crossing that threshold and will eventually never see the true light of day, which is Mass Adoption.  And sadly, mass adoption starts within the crypto community. Joe Schmo isn't going to leave Wells Fargo for Cryptonomex Bitshares. I imagine that pitch is somewhat similar to Diner Club salesmen trying to get you to switch from a Visa. -Hey Joe why don't you try a Diners Club card? You can use it at 50 different restaurants world wide. -Uh, I can use my Visa at every restaurant, no thanks.

I3 was supposed to release control over the past year and they half assedly did, but even then no one saw or said there would be a problem with an open, free license such as a MIT. It wasn't until Devs making money and walking away (with their huge stakes) became a factor that all of a sudden licenses were needed so no one could steal the code and profit off it elsewhere.  BM still never answered my question in another thread about did I3 specify that they would work X amount of hours for Y amount of AGS or was it clearly implied that Bitshares would be delivered regardless of how much money was given?

Remember, Satoshi left Bitcoin core and it's done quite alright and finds a way.

Quote from: Pheonike on July 03, 2015, 07:41:04 am

Quote from: Empirical1.2 on July 03, 2015, 02:20:52 am

Quote from: Murderistic on July 02, 2015, 09:02:36 pm

Quote from: Pheonike on July 02, 2015, 08:45:26 pm

You don't get it. You are worried about the crypto-community. We are building this for 99.999% of the population who don't know and may never know what crypto is. But they will still be able to enjoy the benefits of what crypto brings.

Exactly what I have been telling people.

yes. 

... the gamers do not even have to understand cryptocurrencies, they are biz as usual but now using them and not even knowing.

People do not care about how a cell phone works, they just wanna snapchat dick pics. 

Likewise, explaining crypto to them is pointless, turn crypto into things they are familiar with and they will use it.

If  99.999% of the population won't understand or value decentralisation, doesn't that mean you're better off making a private centralised Cryptonomex blockchain which will be cheaper to run and which you and the developers have a much larger stake in?

Just because they don't understand why doesn't make it any less important to do it that way.  Alot of people don't understand the dangers of burning fossil fuels but that doesn't make renewable energy any less important to have.

YES - proven through the millions of dollars of STUFF I have sold to people over the last few years.

Which fuel do most customers buy? I assume the one that is the cheapest & sold to them at a convenient location.

If a private Cryptonomex blockchain is cheaper to operate (more competitive) and the developers have a much larger stake in it (more incentive) & you and murderistic believe 99.999% of potential customers won't care or understand which blockchain they're using. Then BitShares wins because...?

Yikes!  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-03/greek-banks-considering-30-haircut-deposits-over-%E2%82%AC8000-ft-reports

You don't get it. You are worried about the crypto-community. We are building this for 99.999% of the population who don't know and may never know what crypto is. But they will still be able to enjoy the benefits of what crypto brings.

Quote from: Erlich Bachman on July 02, 2015, 05:58:02 pm

Woah, it's cool, we tease Newman too. 

Quote from: onceuponatime on July 02, 2015, 05:22:20 am

Now I am going to have a hard time believing this is good news until newmine tells us we are being scammed 

Hehe.

Previous to this we've had three announcements and the price is down 25% or so.