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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 04:13:16 pm »
Quote from: DataSecurityNode on September 17, 2015, 03:49:25 pm
1. Pay people to share the link in their facebook
2. Pay people to tweet the link in their twitter
3. Pay people to post about it in forums

Offering even $1 per posting with a burn budget of $500 would get you probably the same kind of reach that these so called crypto 'pr' sites get.

Use bitUSD to pay them out.... I again reference my earlier question in this thread as to why bitcoin is being used for payment and not bitshares/bitusd. It went unanswered.
Wasn't in any of the initial plans mostly. We were also going to be liquidating all Bitcoin directly to cash so we can expand operations and get a few other things in place, so I wasn't sure if adding to or putting additional sale pressure on bitshares and liquidating it would be the best.

Maybe I'm wrong, tell me I am and I'll consider it.

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 03:47:24 pm »
Two different governments on the island. It is on the Dutch side. Our current plans are for expansion to the Bahamas first and then from there

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 03:30:59 pm »
The problem is a lot of these places won't even allow us to put a link to our site or even mention the name of it either lotto shares or fantasy lottery

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 03:30:07 pm »
Quote from: Akado on September 17, 2015, 03:16:57 pm
Quote from: Murderistic on September 17, 2015, 01:15:23 pm
Def having a hard time getting press for this. 

Coindesk just declined even doing a press release, when asked why they said

"Content + Product - want to steer clear of crowdsales for such an item.

Cheers

Keith"

In the meantime...http://www.coindesk.com/?s=crowdfund    -     http://www.coindesk.com/?s=gamble     -    http://www.coindesk.com/?s=casino

We could use a little help getting some attention on this.  Unfortunately, I cannot distribute it even through my own PR service due to syndication agreement on subject material  :(

The irony....

Brainstorm some ideas?
Why don't you show them those links and show there's no duality on their criteria? Also there are more cryptonews sites other than coinbase that people visit. Bitcoin Magazine, Bitcoinist, Cryptocoinsnews, etc
We tried, they said sorry nope decision final.

Yeah we've reached out to the rest of the normal crypto channels for news we're just waiting to hear back

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 03:29:26 pm »
It is a licensed physical lottery and it can also perform online gaming as well. License is from Sint Maarten. It says that countries are unwilling to issue new licenses that's why this is such a unique and amazing opportunity, it was an opportunity that we had available to us to actually partner with somebody who was legally legitimate. For the question of how long, it is a newer lotto started this year, don't quote me on mumbers for payouts, but from the accounting paperwork that I saw, I gathered it was over the 6-figure mark in winnings paid
 within the first 60 days of operating.

Gov is ok with it as it is licenced.

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 02:26:57 pm »
Got some links for Bitshares news outlets?  I can put up a resource page in the media subforum and compile them there.

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 01:36:51 pm »
http://digitalmoneytimes.com/crypto-news/lottoshares-combines-blockchain-technology-physical-lottery/

Some social sharing and love on this would be great people!

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 17, 2015, 01:15:23 pm »
Def having a hard time getting press for this. 

Coindesk just declined even doing a press release, when asked why they said

"Content + Product - want to steer clear of crowdsales for such an item.

Cheers

Keith"

In the meantime...http://www.coindesk.com/?s=crowdfund    -     http://www.coindesk.com/?s=gamble     -    http://www.coindesk.com/?s=casino

We could use a little help getting some attention on this.  Unfortunately, I cannot distribute it even through my own PR service due to syndication agreement on subject material  :(

The irony....

Brainstorm some ideas?

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 16, 2015, 04:09:16 am »
Quote from: donkeypong on September 16, 2015, 03:40:15 am
Yes, good catch. But please don't assume you have a customer base already intact. You will need to market it and bring in the players. I think what you're saying is that the customers already trust the physical model, which is true. And I have more respect for your background than to believe you'd put this out there without marketing it. Nevertheless, I will say it: the BitShares and crypto world is a small and insular group of people with a limited amount of disposable cash. We will be your partners/owners/boosters and we will use it recreationally. But please look beyond this group to grow your customer base.

From a lottery perspective of players on island I am not concerned as much about that or revenue projections used in my last example.

From a LottoShares holders perspective, I 100% agree, I need to work hard at showing them WHY they should contribute, and hold.  Good input sir.

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General Discussion / Re: Would you pay a small monthly fee for a marketing funnel to use?
« on: September 16, 2015, 03:39:52 am »
Quote from: bitmarket on September 16, 2015, 03:32:29 am
Hi everyone,

I had intended to create a marketing funnel complete with email capture, info-education videos, and tracking.   It was going to be designed so all you had to do was drive traffic to a site with your referal link and you would get the commission.   

I was going to make it free to everyone as long as they made me your referrer when you upgraded from 1.0 to 2.0.   I was expecting to give away that and lots of other cool bonuses basically making it so irresistible that everyone would choose me as their referrer.  SInce it would cost you nothing over and above the upgrade fee to premium 2.0 member that many of you would most likely pay anyway, I figured I would make 50k-100k by creating this kick ass funnel for you guys to use.  I also thought I would throw in several hundred dollars of bonuses that more people would upgrade to the bitshares premium member as well.   I thought the plan was beautiful and a win/win/win

Well I just learned that all upgrade fees form 1.0 to 2.0 go to the network now and so I have lost my revenue model and thus my incentive to create such a funnel.   Bitshares has also lost a poster boy to show off to the crypto world of someone who can make serious money with the bitshares referral program quickly.

I also really like the idea of lots of traffic going into one channel because it makes split testing easy and the funnel learns quickly.  So what to do?

Well the only course of action I see is for people to pay for such a service.

So here is my offer to see if there is sufficient demand to warrant me building this funnel.

Would you pay a one time fee of $97 now for lifetime access to a marketing funnel as described above?  It would continually improve and I Would always be testing things.   You will get the full 80% comms from people you refer.   They will not have to pay the $97.  But they will get 70%, I will get 10%.   ie: they will get the same service as you by giving me a 10% cut on all future.  Actually maybe I will offer them the 97$ deal as well.

Because I know we have very nice and encouraging forum members, I know the tendency will be to say... hell yes I will pay. Just so you know this is not an anonymous forum.  If you say yes, I will expect you to pay so please only say yes if you are willing to me $97 for lifetime use of the funnel.  * Lifetime means as long as it is worth my time to run the funnel you get it for free.

I guess its a bit rude of me to ask you to pay for marketing funnel you have not yet seen, so all I can see is that I have two web business with over $1 million in sales for information products so I have some runs on the board.

Let me know if you are a yes?

Good question my friend.

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 16, 2015, 03:29:16 am »
Quote from: donkeypong on September 16, 2015, 03:18:22 am
Quote from: joele on September 16, 2015, 01:40:38 am
I rather buy more BTS than invest in this.

No need to choose just one. I'll take them both. Seriously, this Lotto thing looks like a good team with a good concept, so I am hopeful that they can succeed where earlier attempts have not (nothing in this space has failed yet; earlier attempts have not followed through). If this is built well, the business model is pretty well proven already and gamblers are getting a higher margin from the blockchain, so all they need to do is market the heck out of this and bring in some players who will spend. It ought to generate some solid returns.

I saw the defunct Lottoshares attempt and when the creator signed off he had THIS to say:

Update:

I've been trying to resolve two problems with LottoShares but have not managed to do so.

The first is a forking problem when the checkpointing server is running. The checkpointing server allows draws to take place but causes forks to take place when checkpoints aren't accepted by some clients.

The second is decentralizing the draw/random number generation. Using the block hash and a private key to generate unpredictable randomness is centralized and ultimately unsatisfactory. I think the second problem may only be resolvable in the context of a (bitshares style) delegate model.

Unfortunately I've been unable to resolve these problems in LTS despite a huge amount of effort. I have now decided to redirect my efforts to other projects.

Thanks to everybody who took part and I'm sorry it didn't turn out as well as we had all hoped.

Notice how when the original lottoshares guy gave up he referred to our delegate model as possible for fixing their problems.

With our model we are tied to a physical lottery with a customer base already there, not a digital lottery that needs to persuade customers, or find more in the same way.

It really is a crowdfunding model that happens to use a high profit margin example.

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 16, 2015, 03:26:02 am »
Quote from: Stan on September 16, 2015, 03:21:56 am
Quote from: Murderistic on September 16, 2015, 03:03:59 am
Quote from: Stan on September 16, 2015, 02:52:03 am
Quote from: konelectric on September 16, 2015, 01:31:34 am
Quote from: Stan on September 16, 2015, 01:06:23 am
Quote from: Murderistic on September 15, 2015, 11:43:33 pm
And don't get me started on the mean airspeed velocity of African vs. European swallows...

Are they carrying coconuts? That dose matter in the Caribbean.

I don't know...

Sure, if they carried it between two of them on a blockchain gripped by their dorsal feathers...

Like this?



I think so, Brain, but wouldn't that throw their CMde stability derivative way off?



I fixed that for you   ;)

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 16, 2015, 03:05:45 am »
Can always use a little help on this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181559.0

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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 16, 2015, 03:03:59 am »
Quote from: Stan on September 16, 2015, 02:52:03 am
Quote from: konelectric on September 16, 2015, 01:31:34 am
Quote from: Stan on September 16, 2015, 01:06:23 am
Quote from: Murderistic on September 15, 2015, 11:43:33 pm
And don't get me started on the mean airspeed velocity of African vs. European swallows...

Are they carrying coconuts? That dose matter in the Caribbean.

I don't know...

Sure, if they carried it between two of them on a blockchain gripped by their dorsal feathers...

Like this?


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General Discussion / Re: ANNOUNCEMENT 11 - LottoShares set to Shake Up Crowdfunding through Blockchain
« on: September 16, 2015, 02:59:46 am »
Quote from: joele on September 16, 2015, 02:50:06 am
Quote from: Murderistic on September 16, 2015, 02:14:38 am
Quote from: joele on September 16, 2015, 01:40:38 am
I rather buy more BTS than invest in this.

Why would you make that choice?

I think LottoShares brings a lot to the table in terms of relative stable profitability.
I hope so.

So from that perspective, look at it this way...

Fantasy Lotto has historically ran on over 30% total net profit per month.  With $150,000 per month in total revenue, LottoShares partners would split $50,000 in net profit fours ways (25% each).  Once the LottoShares contribution period of 90 days has passed, Fantasy Lotto projects having 3 X more employees and locations.  Our goal is to scale from the 25 employees to 100 employees.  With a net return of $12,000 per month, even if the Lottery remained static in growth, the NET ROI over 12 months would be estimated at $144,000.00 paid into LottoShares from a $520,000.00 initial contribution.

If that is the case, we are talking 28.8% growth in actual dollar value added to the asset if the business itself remains static in sales.  Not a bad return for anyone that wants to take advantage of that.

But you need to factor in greed.  Speculation and what people value it as now and long term.

The value of the shares itself from that perspective might skyrocket.

Consider this...If we are adding 50k a month in real cash infusion to LottoShares market value, while decreasing the amount of shares still left, the pendulum swings pretty far toward high value...

But if EVERY LottoShares holder held their shares during the buyback (not likely 100% but their could be a high hold rate which will influence this), people or a person that sold a very small amount for an obscene amount (because we are forced to buy back with the 25% every month), would push the value of shares all over the place.

I for one think that the share amount will continue to go up, especially if there is growth in the lottery itself.


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