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General Discussion / Re: BitUSD Dice & BitAsset gambling
« on: January 28, 2015, 01:10:56 am »
Another point is that it's transactional volume that mostly stays inside BTS, unlike when you make a purchase, where the retailer often exchanges for fiat creating selling pressure and it will probably be that way with BitAssets till they gain a bit of traction too.

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General Discussion / Re: BitUSD Dice & BitAsset gambling
« on: January 28, 2015, 12:42:47 am »
This also had a major impact on getting bitcoin's network effect going early on.  (Satoshi Dice!)

 +5% +5% In fact gambling accounted for up to 50% of all Bitcoin transactions all the way up to the middle of last year.

But we can do what Bitcoin can't and possibly have it all on the blockchain?! All the 'ponzi' gambling problems solved. (If so we just took up to half of Bitcoin's business...)

How did we miss this?

This is how you get BitAssets going. I can relax. As soon we offer BitAsset gambling internally we're all rich and it's just that simple.

Can we use anything PLAY has?



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General Discussion / Re: BitUSD Dice & BitAsset gambling
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:56:30 pm »
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-gambling-boom-just-getting-started/

Some Bitcoin gambling platforms do $10 million+ a month in Bitcoin volume, so I'm guessing you're looking at $100 million a month Bitcoin gambling volume.

Considering BTS is about 1% the size and daily volume of Bitcoin, we could be talking up to a $1 million in monthly BitAsset volume right now if BTS users were given access to BitAsset gambling.

WOO HOO.. BTS Ponzi here we go come. Somehow I don't get the sense that this community has a huge desire for this. I maybe wrong... but there are a LOT of issues that come with this... none of them seem to fit into BMs mission statement either.

You must have a very skewed definition of ponzi.

A certain % of people like to gamble, crypto gives the option to do it with a very small house edge so it's extremely popular.

My reference was to the very recent explosion of ponzi 'gambling' going on in BTC. Dozens popped up in the last month after one giant one made off with thousands in BTC. Sure there is the standard gambling.

Cool. Yeah the absolute ideal would be some blockchain based one where everything was provably fair and everything accounted for. In fact with a small house edge the BTS blockchain could even be the bank. We could make the edge extremely low simply because it's in our interest to get people using BitAssets. This would be huge for BitAssets.

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General Discussion / Re: BitUSD Dice & BitAsset gambling
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:35:25 pm »
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-gambling-boom-just-getting-started/

Some Bitcoin gambling platforms do $10 million+ a month in Bitcoin volume, so I'm guessing you're looking at $100 million a month Bitcoin gambling volume.

Considering BTS is about 1% the size and daily volume of Bitcoin, we could be talking up to a $1 million in monthly BitAsset volume right now if BTS users were given access to BitAsset gambling.

WOO HOO.. BTS Ponzi here we go come. Somehow I don't get the sense that this community has a huge desire for this. I maybe wrong... but there are a LOT of issues that come with this... none of them seem to fit into BMs mission statement either.

You must have a very skewed definition of ponzi.

A certain % of people like to gamble, crypto gives the option to do it with a very small house edge so it's extremely popular.

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General Discussion / BitUSD Dice & BitAsset gambling
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:22:04 pm »
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-gambling-boom-just-getting-started/

Some Bitcoin gambling platforms do $10 million+ a month in Bitcoin volume, so I'm guessing you're looking at $100 million a month Bitcoin gambling volume.

Considering BTS is about 1% the size and daily volume of Bitcoin, we could be talking up to a $1 million in monthly BitAsset volume right now if BTS users were given access to BitAsset gambling.

Edit: An internal option that only let you wage with BitAssets (but not BTS) would be ideal. It would get us using the wallet & BitAssets more and massively increase BitAsset volume.
Even an external site would be fantastic though and from cursory research would do big volumes from inception. (No advertising required for the first mover either & BTS users would use it in a similar ratio to what Bitcoin users do.)

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General Discussion / Re: Are you rooting for Bitcoin or against it?
« on: January 27, 2015, 06:23:54 pm »
You don't burn the ship you are on until you have the other seaworthy.

Keep bitcoin alive until bitshares can transition.

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: The owner of the account "bter" is a canadians
« on: January 27, 2015, 04:07:02 pm »

My concern is this will ultimately be spun badly. We've easily tied an identity to an account that wished to remain private and our devs have assisted in the process because they made a personal judgement that it was justified & because others could have done the same easily.

A win for perceived justice but a defeat for personal privacy is rarely a net gain from a crypto perspective.

To the laymen it's hard to ever promote TITAN as being a bit more private than Bitcoin when detractors can pull this example out of the bag.

From what I've heard from the other Chinese .
1、Victim posted the amount .
2、Chinese remembered the guy bragged about how he bought a lot of BTS these days , and posted a screen grab with it . They go look at it , it's the exact same amount right down to the points .
3、Chinese already know who that guy was before this incident .

Ok good. That sounds like it's fine then.

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General Discussion / Re: The owner of the account "bter" is a canadians
« on: January 27, 2015, 03:53:11 pm »
My concern is this will ultimately be spun badly. We've easily tied an identity to an account that wished to remain private and our devs have assisted in the process because they made a personal judgement that it was justified & because others could have done the same easily.

A win for perceived justice but a defeat for personal privacy is rarely a net gain from a crypto perspective.

To the laymen it's hard to ever promote TITAN as being a bit more private than Bitcoin when detractors can pull this example out of the bag.

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General Discussion / Re: Are you rooting for Bitcoin or against it?
« on: January 27, 2015, 12:32:25 pm »
For an alt-coin it depends whether you're gaining market share (rising vs. BTC) in the process.

Once you're in a strong main contender position, market leader weakness is generally a positive though.

In the case of Bitcoin, excl. XRP they already have a 92% market share, it's not any alt-coins interest for them to grow that. Besides inflation, I also think Bitcoin volatility in particular is really hamstringing Crypto's growth as retailers sell immediately for fiat so greater utility & transactional use adds a lot to BTC selling pressure. Without constant good news BTC generally trends down and takes the whole market down with it. So crypto is sucking a lot of investors money in but not growing and discouraging investors. The sooner it is challenged by a strong contender with low inflation and stable currency options, to see if that can reverse the trend the better for the industry as a whole imo.


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General Discussion / Re: Why is there still no BitUSD:BitBTC liquidity?
« on: January 26, 2015, 11:58:51 pm »
Increasing BitAssets in circulation and having daily turnover ticking over is important.

I'd definitely like to explore any ideas that help kickstart BitAssets.

Also I didn't want to subsidise yield but if BitAssets aren't gaining traction I would consider it.

No subsidizing yield! 1x addition in BitAsset circulation does not necessarily lead to 3x addition to the BTS market cap. People could either put their money into BTS or BitAssets and the effect to BTS market cap should be similar. BitAssets are there for people who want to be exposed to the underlying asset's price and nothing more. We shouldn't have to incentivize them to hold it.

If a delegate put $2000 towards BitGold yield a month for 3 months we'd probably get a $100 000 BitGold CAP this week. So 3 delegates for 3 months as a promotion for BitBTC, BitSilver and BitGold & you'd have 5 BitAssets in the top 100 on CMC. (It can be justified if it's just a promotion to launch a BitAsset.)

Now if your argument is increasing the BitAsset supply numbers as free advertising on CMC, that is a different story. But I still do not support BTS dilution subsidizing that. Instead people holding large amounts of BTS should just short to themselves in markets where the BitAsset sell orders are not below (in BTS/BitAsset price) the price feed and there are virtually no short sell orders at the price feed. Their exposure to BTS remains the same, they can cover their short at any time, and all they need to do is keep track of the price to not get margin called and to cover their short (and ideally reopen a new short) before 30 days.

It is still "fake" numbers, but hey, it's advertising...

Yes. But BitAssets have been running for 6 months and people haven't done this shorting to themselves much.

I know subsidising yield doesn't get offset by the 3x BitAssets. The idea is that it's a promotion to kickstart the market. I believe a large part of our valuation is driven by the perception of how well we're doing at getting BitAsset adoption going - Gateways, Merchants, BitAsset CAP & turnover.

If our BitAssets still have no CAP in a month or two when BitGold & BitSilver by BitReserve comes out it will look very bad for us. If BitUSD rises above NuBits CAP it will look very good for us. So it's advertising and perception. BitAssets are a product, having a promotion to launch a product is pretty standard.

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General Discussion / Re: Why is there still no BitUSD:BitBTC liquidity?
« on: January 26, 2015, 11:51:38 pm »
There is no need to subsidize yield.   The only thing that is needed is massive buy/sell walls to provide liquidity. 
Nubits didnt waste money subsidizing yield, they just put up huge walls, and they got tons of volume from people looking to hedge BTC positions into fiat.

Maintaining a large & tight buy and sell walls costs a lot to subsidise no? If not, is the only reason we don't have them up because of reliable bots? Edit: Ok probably for reasons described by rune above.

Spending $20k over 3 months on a BitAsset yield promotion is comparatively very cheap.


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General Discussion / Re: Why is there still no BitUSD:BitBTC liquidity?
« on: January 26, 2015, 11:10:02 pm »
Increasing BitAssets in circulation and having daily turnover ticking over is important.

I'd definitely like to explore any ideas that help kickstart BitAssets.

Also I didn't want to subsidise yield but if BitAssets aren't gaining traction I would consider it.

If a delegate put $2000 towards BitGold yield a month for 3 months we'd probably get a $100 000 BitGold CAP this week. So 3 delegates for 3 months as a promotion for BitBTC, BitSilver and BitGold & you'd have 5 BitAssets in the top 100 on CMC. (It can be justified if it's just a promotion to launch a BitAsset.)

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In isolation this news should make BTS rise vs. dollar, fall vs. BTC

I think this already happened over the past few days.

Don't know if it's finished though.

Yeah it could continue, especially if other altcoins get good news.

Well I managed a good trade on this that involved going into BTC and then temporarily into USD.

Would have been nice to do some of it in BTS but as the BitBTC market is empty I had to trade BTS for BTC on bter and then as BitUSD/BTC was 13% under the BTC price at the time I had to use NuBits. I'm in favour of doing something to kickstart/supplement BitAssets, like a few delegates buying BitAssets that can be put towards later promotions/projects.

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 +5% Looks good. Thanks for keeping us updated.




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Follow My Vote / Digital Democracy - UK considering online voting
« on: January 26, 2015, 01:01:39 pm »
Seemed semi relevant

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30976610

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He said: "I don't mean by that that it will necessarily at any stage be compulsory to vote in that way, but I think that the notion that, if it can be established as secure and reliable people should have the option to vote online, will gain ground more and more and more."
He said the 2020 poll "could be the first election in which people have the opportunity... to vote online".

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The Digital Democracy Commission also envisages public participation in Commons' debates via an internet forum.

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