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General Discussion / Re: The bitcoin death spiral has begun?
« on: January 15, 2015, 09:05:40 am »
Sorry, but I don't see any new issue apart from a very deep bear market raising every band-wagon criticism possible as the herd gets very emotional. I'm not defending bitcoin here, just rationality.

From the perspective of establishing a global digital money, I don't see any problem with the following:

Volatility. Volatility is an unavoidable phenomenon in the early growth stages of any coin established by the free market that is vying for use as a global money. That is because it is not backed by any other form of existing money, and needs to establish its own value through use in exchange, with all the future uncertainty surrounding that. Any PoS, DPoS, or other coin with a similar aim would (and does) experience similar volatility. The only potential exception to this I can think of is if a coin is backed by a commoditised digital service, allowing initial stability till it finds greater use in exchange. Can anybody show another way that a free market digital money could be established without volatility, and without merely being a derivative of established money like fiat? The only argument I can see here is that it is just not possible for the free market to establish its own digital money, and I hope that's wrong.

Miners losing money. Gold was the best money standard for thousands of years. When the gold price rose relative to other commodities, it sent a profit signal to the market to explore/mine/extract more of it, thus bringing the price back into line with other goods in the economy. When the gold price fell relative to other commodities, it created losses for miners (e.g. if gold falls relative to energy costs of extraction). This incentivises miners to curtail supply in line with the reduced demand. Some might even stop operations, and dump any pre-mined gold on the market. Unfortunately business intentions are only implemented with a lag to market prices, so it takes time for supply and demand to smooth out. None of this has meant the gold mining industry has collapsed gold as a result. With Bitcoin there will be a similar dynamic. Too much mining capacity was put in place - now it is being necessarily consolidated. This also means many miners are dumping their BTC. But this is just part of a natural business cycle to be expected for mining - what's new in this situation?

Network security costs greater than adoption. All networks have a security cost (even DPoS), and whenever there is a bear market in currency price, the value attributed to the network by new adopters is by definition not covering this cost. Again this is unavoidable during bear cycles (which are themselves unavoidable - see volatility above). If Bitcoin is adopted by the mainstream, its network security costs will fall dramatically over time as a percentage of the network value. The real issue right now is the rate of adoption, not the network security costs (e.g. inflation to cover network costs only explains 10% of the fall in a year).

Merchants dumping bitcoin. Merchants never could hold the bitcoin! - they always keep limited funds on hand and need to recycle their revenues into new supplies. One could argue that merchants "dump" USD when they take their sales proceeds and buy new supplies. Besides that, they only sustain earning revenues in bitcoin if people buy bitcoin to use for this purpose.

On the other hand, possible valid criticisms are:

Network integrity can be maintained at much lower cost.
Transaction times are too long.
Centralisation of mining can affect the integrity of the network.
Scalability problems.
Other?

But note that these are NOT the current criticisms doing the rounds on the blogs and in the media - which leads me to think this is nothing more than a bear market, albeit deep, and with many emotions attached.

1. Volatiliy - The free market can establish a large digital money by building one off the back of BitAssets.

2. Mining - Bitcoin is gold mining with a pan in a river. Those miners have largely been replaced by far more efficient forms of mining as technology improved. That's what will happen here, if Bitcoin is an inefficient and wasteful form of mining by comparison to alternatives, which it is, there's a good chance it will be replaced.

3. No inflation of 10% doesn't just cost you 10% imo.  New coins are sold onto the market and eat into the buy wall. In a bear market with no buying demand that inflation rate can have a much larger depressing effect on the price.

4. In the beginning the merchants and purchases made in Bitcoin was neglible that's why it was less noticeable. Now there are 100 000 businesses+ with annual sales probably in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
Businesses don't 'dump' dollars when they spend it on supplies imo. In that example those dollars are re-circulating in the economy in the Bitcoin analogy the Dollars are being dumped for Yen as soon as businesses get them.

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General Discussion / Re: The bitcoin death spiral has begun?
« on: January 15, 2015, 08:48:17 am »
I think if bitcoin drops that low, a new era for other cryptos will start. Bitcoin has been suppressing other alts with superior technology from going further, this might just be an opportunity for that to end and other projects can flourish, or at least, I like to think so.

Yes provided we communicate, how we don't have these 2hr confirmation problems and are a better system

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This is just a re-post of ideas I've been brainstorming on NullStreet. I find trying to sell/pitch BitShares as a whole is hard even to alt-coiners but within BitShares we have many businesses that are easy to pitch & easy to grasp on their own.

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Q: What is BitShares?

A: BitShares is the blockchain & currency behind BitAssets. There are many decentralized businesses built around BitAssets that will each disrupt huge centralized players.

The first are launching this month...

BDEX

BitAsset Exchange

Disrupting Centralized Crypto Exchanges and ultimately stock & commodity ones too with an exchange that has no counterparty risk, eliminates HFT & lets you privately trade currencies, stocks & commodities in seconds for 1¢

BlockchainUSD 
       
BitUSD and other BitCurrency wallets

Disrupting PayPal & M-Pesa with simple lightweight clients and mobile wallets  that let you save, spend or share any currency in seconds for 1¢ & earn interest on your balances.

TheNewSwissBank

Private BitAsset Bank

Disrupting Private Banking jurisdictions like Switzerland with banking that's more private, charges less, pays more & is transparently backed by 200%+ reserves.

SovereignVault

Unseizable BitGold & BitCommodity Vault

Disrupting BitReserve with blockchain commodity storage that has no centralized counterparty risk but is redeemable for physical gold & silver whenever required.

 E.T.SendHome

Global BitCurrency Remittance

Disrupting Western Union & MoneyGram with global remittances in any currency that takes seconds & costs 1¢.

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The names are just examples, the point is anyone of those could be a competitive business in it's own right and would be worthy of a Bitcointalk ANN. (BitReserve, NuShares, BitStamp, Blockchain.info & others prove that.)

As I said trying to understand & sell BitShares all as one is hard. Trying to understand & sell the value proposition of anyone of those businesses is easy. So we could create websites and brand 5 different businesses that we view separately but are still managed by BitShares and the same 101 delegates.

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General Discussion / Re: BitaAssets Ball dropping
« on: January 14, 2015, 06:24:15 pm »
Yea, NuShares is being built up around an inferior BitUSD & BitReserve is worth $100 million+ on a centralized BitGold, I'd argue with a precious metal dealer gateway we'd be superior.

It almost feels like we should detach two companies here

The BitUSD company (Website, wallet, forum, video, advertising, promotion as well as artificially stimulate turnover on bter.)

The BitGold company (Same but use delegates to grow CAP and turnover more.)


BitShares actually has at least 5 $100 million+ companies in 1

- Decentralized Exchange
- Decentralized Bank
- Remittance
- Decentralized Dollar
- Decentralizd Precious metals


We could give each company it's own name and market them completely separately with their own websites. Only investors would know they are part of the BitShares umbrella DAC but to customers they'd be known as completely separate companies and most would only know 1 of them.


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General Discussion / Re: Working on Code... Blog on Hold
« on: January 14, 2015, 05:23:44 pm »
 The blog is very good but +5% +5%

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits is a Ponzi [BLOG POST]
« on: January 14, 2015, 03:50:24 pm »
I must admit that drives me crazy !!!

http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/nushares/#charts

we should raise like that!!!



PS we have all the fundamentals+it's the perfect timing for bitAssets... but we follow the trend.... obviously we are making something wrong! Hope I am wrong and we see our price pumping the next days.  :)


They are stealing our food ... or whatever is left of it :D

We need a bit more volume on bter, even if it's artificially generated by delegates at a small loss. Obviously nothing like NuBits but just a little something to grease the wheels and get the car going.

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General Discussion / Re: I suggest stop price feed and stop market engine
« on: January 14, 2015, 03:37:31 pm »
I wouldn't interrupt the market at all but the 30 day requirement is maybe too quick, 90 days might be better.
Although 90 day shorts would be great, for the shorters. This is a very temporary problem.

I think then there will be another thread in the not to distant future, screaming shame there are not enough BitUSD buy orders.

This. When BTS(X) first launched, people were distraught because nobody was buying BitUSD. Why they didn't see this coming, I'll never know. When the system is young, times like this will be routine. Why would you expect there to be BitUSD buyers when BTS is pumping? Why would you expect there to be BitUSD sellers when BTS is tanking? These are the hurdles we have to accept with a free-market system like this.

A longer period would encourage more shorts, thereby increasing competition to short, which increases interest, which helps BitAsset demand. So it could be win-win for both sides.
It all depends how much more the 30 day requirement adds to the peg and I haven't really looked into it enough to know.

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Anyone who thinks this decline is bm's fault is being incredibly naive... I can guarantee you that even if we had a working wallet, gateways and were at 1.0 we would still be getting smoked because of bitcoin selling.  The only way we can pull away from the black hole of selling that is bitcoin is for marketing to explain how we are different. PR trumps tech when irrationality takes over investors.

I disagree, I think the things you mentioned would have made a huge difference, considering we took 20% equity from BTSX and inflated it, the least we could do in the same period is give it a wallet, 1.0 and decent gateways. Without those it's price is a fair reflection of how we have butchered it without giving it much tangible in return yet.

I agree we need to explain how we are different to Bitcoin and why we solve its problems.

The blog though is very good. It's great to point to. The English alt-coin market hardly knew about BitShares but the blog and the bitcointalk stuff really helps. Especially Bytemaster debating against other systems and winning convincingly on most points imo.





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General Discussion / Re: I suggest stop price feed and stop market engine
« on: January 14, 2015, 03:02:23 pm »
I wouldn't interrupt the market at all but the 30 day requirement is maybe too quick, 90 days might be better.

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General Discussion / Re: I suggest stop price feed and stop market engine
« on: January 14, 2015, 08:26:01 am »
You mean not enough people want to buy BitUSD right now?

I wouldn't halt the market. If it can't stay operational in a situation like this how can we ever sell it in the future.

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General Discussion / Re: Bounty Idea
« on: January 14, 2015, 08:08:53 am »
Why dont you offer that bounty to the first famous BTC/USD exchange that becomes a BTS gateway.

If your going to offer a up a 1 million BTS bounty it should probably be for this.

 +5%

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Bounty Idea
« on: January 14, 2015, 07:41:45 am »
That's a big amount, but voting approval isn't our biggest selling hurdle at the moment & won't add to the valuation the most.

Some of the big gateways are losing a lot of money right now. Adding BitShares would be huge in terms our value and legitimacy. They could front-run their announcement. That + a bounty + the timing could be enough.
 

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General Discussion / Re: Bitreserve article - again!
« on: January 14, 2015, 06:57:21 am »
Good luck getting through the Coindesk comment approval filter...  :(

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits is a Ponzi [BLOG POST]
« on: January 13, 2015, 07:36:39 pm »
Dan's unique drum is what sets BTS apart from all the other crypto's.  It's unfiltered and delivers hard truth's that many competitors don't want to acknowledge.  We don't want Dan's thoughts and words to go through the PR dumb down filter.  Alt coins and Currencies are a totally unique and new concept for humans... It is counter-productive to try to fit them into a cookie cutter, make everyone happy PR mold.

Boldness is what will make BTS a huge success.  Vanilla tiptoeing and walking on eggshells PR and Marketing will only suffocate us.

I disagree with this. Some moves I've seen are unnecessarily PR negative & VERY BTS costly. In this case though, Daniel is exceptionally strong on economics & has clearly laid out why this is doomed to fail. The potential victims of NuBits will be people who don't understand this process. I think the PR outcome should be OK but it's largely a matter of principal imo that people should be warned about high risks like this regardless of the PR outcome.

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General Discussion / Re: NuBits is a Ponzi [BLOG POST]
« on: January 13, 2015, 06:18:44 pm »
 +5% Great Article

I would say the timing is bad as we haven't made many friends at NXT and the last article was Bitcoin negative imo.

From the description though, NuBits is a classic ponzi and BM is probably one of the few that can clearly articulate that. So while the title sounds sensationalist, it is justified & we'd be doing a disservice to crypto not to warn people about this.

Also when it fails, it will look bad on all BitCurrencies unless we both warn people about it and in the midst of the controversy this creates now, take the opportunity to explain how BitUSD works differently to a wider audience.

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