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Freebie has the internal technical skills required to pull this off, it seems like the forums are more and more unstable, and people are hoping for something new...

perhaps we should do a worker for this or something?

I like the idea for Ultra but I don't think it should get funded by a worker right now. We have to prioritize! First things are core technology and GUI, and also things that are really important for the usability of Bitshares (what mindphlux is doing with pool funding worker).

After the basic things are in order, we can start to think if we should fund projects like Ultra.

BTW, Ultra is a horrible name. Please choose something unique. Commonly used words are foolish as names because it's difficult to get search engine visibility.

You're in luck @Samupaha - since prioritized funding is baked right into BitShares 2.0, proposals will always be funded in order of shareholder votes.

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Freebie has the internal technical skills required to pull this off, it seems like the forums are more and more unstable, and people are hoping for something new...

perhaps we should do a worker for this or something?

Go for it!  Personally I've had enough time to consider the merits of your team, and I'm satisfied that you guys are legit, and capable.

Draft a proposal and if you want to wait and take any cues from Bytemaster and the Cryptonomex smart-chain brigade, their forthcoming worker proposal as alluded to on today's mumble may be a useful template, as they are certain to cover all the bases, being that they are intimately familiar with this community's... (ahem) needs. ;)

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General Discussion / Re: The worst thing for BTS is this forum
« on: November 06, 2015, 07:15:22 am »
Here today, are the lamentations of those who are suffering, and angry.  Their clamor is infectious, and the dreamers and builders may go silent in reflection, and continue on quietly building their dreams, but we are all poorer for this silence.

To those who are tired and depressed from the toilsome road they may be on, take courage, turn your loss into grief, and your grief into beauty!

Maybe some who are quiet are being quiet before something big comes :)

Bring it!  8)

Oh and @KD - thanks for the appreciation.  :D

Fuzzy, the recent video I viewed (from a link on this forum) where a few guys went across the country interviewing people, including yourself, really blew me away and invigorated my interest in the project.

Those videos are awesome, they should be front and center, people would rather watch than read... we should have milestones and goals kicked prominently listed. We need to think about marketing more on this forum, as well as the official website, as it is a well known source of information.

Our goal with the P2P tour was to show the community to itself, and help make tangible the amazing people working on this project in the hopes that it would help bring us together.

If we've succeeded at all in this, I'm happy.
There's more to come!

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General Discussion / Re: The worst thing for BTS is this forum
« on: November 06, 2015, 02:56:06 am »
Tempting to look outside ourselves for something to blame.

It is neither some intrinsic quality of this forum, nor is it human nature, what little anyone here knows of that from the vastly skewed sample of a human lifetime in progress.

Some are here to change the foundations of human organization by helping to create and promote the tools of liberation. 
Some people are here because they perceive an opportunity for personal gain. 

These two motivations aren't mutually exclusive, but when the latter drives us forward, and the scales tip towards only thinking of the self, this is what the forum begins to look like.

Attached to the desire for financial independence we lose sight of our innate, natural independence; and the earth upon which it all rests, which is the only true wealth we will ever have.  We know full well that when we die, we all will have the same amount of money.

Here today, are the lamentations of those who are suffering, and angry.  Their clamor is infectious, and the dreamers and builders may go silent in reflection, and continue on quietly building their dreams, but we are all poorer for this silence.

To those who are tired and depressed from the toilsome road they may be on, take courage, turn your loss into grief, and your grief into beauty!

"What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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I honestly don't think that traders should be our primary target audience at this point in time.
We need traders as strategic partners, because without them we have no liquidity and thus no product to sell.
So yes, they should be one of our primary targets (the other one being merchants).
Everyone else, who is not a trader or a merchant, is not really relevant at this stage.

Entrepreneurs

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Random Discussion / Re: Bitshares Book Club
« on: November 04, 2015, 09:36:54 pm »

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General Discussion / Re: Wow. That was a shitty day for bitshares
« on: November 04, 2015, 07:01:32 pm »
So Bond markets is our answer?
Part of it. UIAs could do it right now without the bond market though. What stops a UIA from paying dividends?

Nothing.  What stops a UIA from not even looking like a UIA and paying 'rewards points' to customers?

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General Discussion / Re: Wow. That was a shitty day for bitshares
« on: November 04, 2015, 06:47:49 pm »

Freedom lovers are a tiny group, and most of them are already using bitcoin, and especially right now when the BTC is rocketing, they are not interested in questioning the foundations of Bitcoin and analyze how bad it actually is (in the long run).

Lol. Do you honestly think Bitcoin has a monopoly on freedom lovers?  Whatever you define 'freedom lovers' as I have no idea, but i guarantee that libertarians and anarchists comprise a radically small percentage of the global 'freedom lover' population.

Think how many trillions of dollars are floating around between people who still have no idea what crypto is.

You do realize the global economy has virtually no idea that crypro even exists right?  It's not even a blip.

There's quite a bubble here, and it's not an economic one, It's a crypto-fintech thought bubble.

You can sell freedom in a lot of different packages to a lot of different people... Watch any commercial on TV, they are selling freedom in one form or another.  That beer commercial with the summer sun and the pickup trucks?  Freedom lovers.  That coca-cola commercial?  Sexy freedom lovers.  Let's expand our definitions, and our potential audience. We mustn't fall prey to operating within the same narrow confines which created this mess to begin with.  YNTTBP!

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General Discussion / Re: Wow. That was a shitty day for bitshares
« on: November 04, 2015, 10:36:26 am »
BTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is.    It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal. Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.

I try and promote this as "Why save in USD in your Bank of America account when you can save diversified in Gold, Silver, Oil, USD etc with BitShares" or "Are you concerned about your currency being devalued or bail-ins? Try crypto and bank on yourself."

I think its a mistake to get too political. Look how poorly the libertarians do in elections these days. For some reason people dont care about liberty so much as what they think they're entitled to. The US is becoming a police state yet no one protested after snowdon's revelations, but they sure did in Berlin, Germany. Not in DC though.

I agree. At the same time Bitshares has to just work, and the bond market feature is missing which is perhaps more important to mass adoption than any other.

BTS needs to be promoted as a tool of freedom that it is.    It needs to develop its own mini economy of people that are passionate about a common goal.

Unfortunately, growing a community in such a manner is much slower than most would like.
A lot of people don't know what freedom is, and only half of Americans own stocks. Maybe focus on the half of Americans who don't own any stocks. Most Americans don't own any equity and you don't really have to appeal to ideology other than to look at the demographics that dont own and show them an easy way to acquire equity.

Maybe gamers for example who spend all day getting some digital item can now own digital property and acquire real wealth. This is an opportunity that never existed before for gamers or for people of the millennial demographic.

Focusing on politics is a mistake because a lot of young people aren't political or they just don't like politics. People see politics are involved and often run away from it because a lot of people don't want to have to deal with what comes along with politics, the risk of their lives being destroyed, the risk of upsetting the status quo. I think politics really limit the potential of any project when it's put into the branding of the project and it is why Bitcoin is replaced by Blockchain.

The reasoning being that most Americans aren't anarchists. Most Americans misunderstand what anarchist means, they don't have to be libertarians, they could be mainstream independents, or Bernie Sanders supporters, and still use an app if it's in their self interest. Why not appeal to self interest?

Yes it's definitely slower than most would like, as with any real change to the status quo, but for the first time in history the tools are within reach.

As far as I'm concerned, BitShares is like a gift from beyond for any community which has ever dreamed of creating a local currency, or has wished for a way to leverage their collective economic power, e.g., co-ops. 

However, even if you've spent your whole life fighting for economic justice you could be forgiven for not noticing that there is a viable solution just within reach.  A new paradigm technology such as the Graphene Toolkit is not immediately identifiable as a solution since it is literally unprecedented, even within the crypto space.

Within the United States alone the grocery co-op movement transacts billions of dollars annually, and is itself a tiny fraction of a much larger international co-op movement which is in the trillions.  This is a group of people which absolutely see eye to eye on the principles which animate BitShares.  Measuring the Size and Scope of the Cooperative Economy

Is there incentive to provide access to a network which facilitates interconnected micro economies of member benefits / rewards points / gift cards / equity, to benefit participating merchants and clients alike?

Moving beyond the institutions themselves to the communities of which they are comprised; you can see a huge swath of people, of every political persuasion, who identify with some pretty basic ideas.  We're not trying to win elections, we're going to change the way elections are run, the whole conversation is changing.  Let's not just sell 'stocks' or BitAssets, we should be selling access to the goods, the party, and freedom.  As Timothy Leary famously said, "When we say party, we mean party and celebration, the old party's just no fun."

There are large swaths of people whose consciousness, and economic interests are already aligned with what BitShares represents.
The tech exists, and the toolkit is steadily evolving through the hard work of a passionate and dedicated team.
We're just beginning to push out into all manner of synergistic projects, together as a community.
Our skill in finding ways to reach, and collaborate with the right people, to grow and improve the BitShares ecosystem, is a test of perseverance and imagination at this point.

The future called, and it wants a legacy adapter... let's do this.

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General Discussion / Re: Wow. That was a shitty day for bitshares
« on: November 04, 2015, 01:25:34 am »

I really don't think the price will instantly or magically increase. If it does, be suspicious of manipulative whales. What we all need to do is hit the ground and promote the hell out of this thing, fueling some greater adoption, and get the momentum rolling to where businesses and customers WANT to use BitShares for various functions. Then we will see the kind of sustainable growth that has been so elusive in BitShares (or crypto in general). It won't happen this week or next month. But in a few months or a year or two, our efforts should be rewarded.

Get on it, people. Promoting BitShares is a 'part-time job' now for all of us. Imagine working at Google (or insert your favorite startup success story here) when they first got started with the promise that your options might be worth a great deal more someday. And that your technology could make the world a much better place. We can make it happen.

^^ +5%  What @donkeypong said!

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General Discussion / Re: List your skills and be known
« on: November 04, 2015, 01:23:29 am »
Writing
Film Production
Grassroots Organizing
Seafaring
and I make a great curry!

Ok ok.. html too. ;)

Check out my LinkedIn profile for more.

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General Discussion / Re: Photos from Web Summit in Dublin, Ireland
« on: November 04, 2015, 01:13:29 am »
Wooo!  Looking forward to more photos... Wish we could be there as roving documentarians... perhaps next year! ;)

Take some video with that phone of yours and we can work it into a future episode..  of something!  :)

Hope you're kicking back with your feet up and enjoying some of Ireland's finest!


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Yaaar!  Two ships doth make a fleet!

Thanks for believing in, and building upon BitShares Jonathan!
I'm happy to help however I can.

Onward!   8)

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General Discussion / Re: Would you Help BTS Community for Brownies?
« on: November 02, 2015, 07:14:30 pm »
You know I'm down for the cause, and some days i think brownie points might be the most valuable asset in my portfolio, so yes, I will do work for brownies.
As much as I can afford to anyhow... since I don't sell brownies, and I still need to eat (and these brownies aren't actually edible) ...and there are only so many hours in the day. ;)

For the record, I'll also work for any BitAsset, provided it has some measurable value.

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AFAIK @roadscape is steadily adding similar functionality to cryptofresh, which may or may not include easily digestible presentation of this data.

I don't know what's next on his to-do list, I know he's got his hands full atm, but maybe you can make it rain Brownies to keep his spirits up. ;)

I think the OP is a great idea, and if we can get this data Cassified somehow, we all win!

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