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http://themindunleashed.org/2015/12/new-social-media-platform-to-unite-the-worlds-alternative-communities.html

Just learned of this project... haven't looked under the hood yet, but ambitious and definitely aligned with the crypto-space.

New friends?

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General Discussion / Re: Mutual Aid Societies
« on: December 15, 2015, 07:10:02 pm »
Another quote from Peter Kropotkin which is relevant to the philosophical, biological, and societal underpinnings of mutual aid.

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A soon as we study animals — not in laboratories and museums only, but in the forest and prairie, in the steppe and in the mountains — we at once perceive that though there is an immense amount of warfare and extermination going on amidst various species, and especially amidst various classes of animals, there is, at the same time, as much, or perhaps even more, of mutual support, mutual aid, and mutual defence amidst animals belonging to the same species or, at least, to the same society. Sociability is as much a law of nature as mutual struggle. Of course it would be extremely difficult to estimate, however roughly, the relative numerical importance of both these series of facts. But if we resort to an indirect test, and ask Nature: "Who are the fittest: those who are continually at war with each other, or those who support one another?" we at once see that those animals which acquire habits of mutual aid are undoubtedly the fittest. They have more chances to survive, and they attain, in their respective classes, the highest development and bodily organization. If the numberless facts which can be brought forward to support this view are taken into account, we may safely say that mutual aid is as much a law of animal life as mutual struggle; but that as a factor of evolution, it most probably has a far greater importance, inasmuch as it favors the development of such habits and characters as insure the maintenance and further development of the species, together with the greatest amount of welfare and enjoyment of life for the individual, with the least waste of energy.

-Mutual Aid as a Factor in Evolution, by Peter Kropotkin

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Random Discussion / Re: DAO - Delegated Autonomous Oracle
« on: December 15, 2015, 07:01:51 pm »
It's almost as if Peter Kropotkin were peering into the future and describing the potential of societies empowered by blockchain technology.

ANARCHISM (from the Gr. ἅν, and άρχη, contrary to authority), the name given to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is conceived without government — harmony in such a society being obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority, but by free agreements concluded between the various groups, territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being. In a society developed on these lines, the voluntary associations which already now begin to cover all the fields of human activity would take a still greater extension so as to substitute themselves for the state in all its functions. They would represent an interwoven network, composed of an infinite variety of groups and federations of all sizes and degrees, local, regional, national and international temporary or more or less permanent — for all possible purposes: production, consumption and exchange, communications, sanitary arrangements, education, mutual protection, defence of the territory, and so on; and, on the other side, for the satisfaction of an ever-increasing number of scientific, artistic, literary and sociable needs. Moreover, such a society would represent nothing immutable. On the contrary — as is seen in organic life at large — harmony would (it is contended) result from an ever-changing adjustment and readjustment of equilibrium between the multitudes of forces and influences, and this adjustment would be the easier to obtain as none of the forces would enjoy a special protection from the state.
Kropotkin's entry on "Anarchism" in the Encyclopædia Britannica (1910)

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General Discussion / Re: Mutual Aid Societies
« on: December 15, 2015, 07:49:44 am »
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All that was an element of progress in the past or an instrument of moral and intellectual improvement of the human race is due to the practice of mutual aid, to the customs that recognized the equality of men and brought them to ally, to unite, to associate for the purpose of producing and consuming, to unite for purpose of defence to federate and to recognize no other judges in fighting out their differences than the arbitrators they took from their own midst.

Each time these institutions, issued from popular genius, when it had reconquered its liberty for a moment, — each time these institutions developed in a new direction, the moral level of society, its material well-being, its liberty, its intellectual progress, and the affirmation of individual originality made a step in advance. And, on the contrary, each time that in the course of history, whether following upon a foreign conquest, or whether by developing authoritarian prejudices men become more and more divided into governors and governed, exploiters and exploited, the moral level fell, the well-being of the masses decreased in order to insure riches to a few, and the spirit of the age declined.

Peter Kropotkin - Anarchism: Its Philosophy and Ideal (1896)

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General Discussion / Re: Mutual Aid Societies
« on: December 15, 2015, 12:38:11 am »
The exchange is maturing nicely and will continue to improve. 

This idea is unique and has no competition.   It could drive a lot to bts.

^ This. :)

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General Discussion / Re: Mutual Aid Societies
« on: December 15, 2015, 12:15:27 am »
 +5%.  I'm in.

I would pay $20-$50 per month.
Might there be the possibility of naming beneficiaries?  Say I have a nephew who is bound to run into trouble with the law, but he's not a member himself.  Would I need to name him specifically?  Or could I have a membership which is essentially me plus 1, plus 2, etc.?

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The bottom line is (presumably) we're all in this together.

I hear cries of "conflict of interest".
I see generous amounts of room for the alignment of interests.

Time is precious, and there's not much room for infighting.

Bearing grudges, and standing divided against each other is one of the surest poisons we could swallow.

To define the elusive forms of self aware, self interested, mutually beneficial, and organized lines of development, on a common platform.  This is our task.

We've made it really far with just the barebones structure necessary to fire up a Graphene class smartchain and hit crypto-space, however the human element has not been fully accounted for, with all its mysterious slings and arrows.

Capital is not what binds us together, it's just one of the markers by which that bond is visible.  Remember, invest in people?
This project would be in the Dark Ages were it not for people like Dan, and Fuzzy, and the many other courageous and generous souls who have really put themselves out there to explore, articulate, and weave the ties which bind this community together.

Oh you thought this was the Dark Ages?

We're 63 days from the launch of 2.0
Things are just getting interesting.

Don't forget to breathe.

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Forum moderators should be accountable to the community.

They should probably be paid something for their troubles as well.

You get what you pay for, and a paid moderator is less likely to have their own agenda, or feel they must 'get something' in exchange for working for free.

What does that look like?  I don't know, worker proposal?  Luckybit's forum UIA idea?  Subcommittee?

Fav has done a pretty good job overall, imo, but everyone has their weaknesses, and people don't usually come to the discussion except with daggers when someone is attacking them with sarcastic straw-man character assassination, ahem... tuck.  I've been on the receiving end of that kind of campaign on the forums here, and I don't feel it's remotely helpful.  You harm your own cause, and you contribute to greater conflict, when you refuse to communicate in a non-hostile manner.  By the sound of it, fav could be communicating better as well.  Tuck and Fav, you two are like fire and ice.

I hope everyone here realizes we're not competing against each other, except in a friendly way. We're all on the same team, or supposed to be.  It's not as if the space isn't large enough for all of us, plus a small army.

Everyone go out for a walk.  Breathe some fresh air.

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General Discussion / Re: New features on CryptoFresh
« on: December 13, 2015, 05:38:30 pm »
Yep, @roadscape has been killing it with new features on cryptofresh!
We appreciate the love!  There's another thread going here as well:
Cryptofresh Block Explorer + MUSE now available

Who knows what 2016 will bring. ;)

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General Discussion / Re: BRICS - BitShares Commemorative UIA
« on: December 13, 2015, 05:07:09 pm »


BRICS are great.  Let's build. :)

bts: lovejoy

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Meta / Re: Censorship is a sign of weakness
« on: December 12, 2015, 10:00:53 pm »
Tuck, I'm predominately unconcerned with the fate of CRAPCOIN, and as it seems impossible to destroy it for all time, there it is.  I consulted with the technical department, and it seems you have irreversably tainted the pristine bts blockchain with this crap. Don't worry though I still think fistbump has a bright future. The offer is and is not valid, because it is not feasible... as I don't desire to have anything to do with that asset personally.  The offer was only intended for YOU doing the dirty work of destroying CRAPCOIN, but alas.

To be honest, my motivation for walking into the crossfire here is that I sometimes get in a mood to condense a gathering distaste, and focus it on the nearest offending target.  This just so happened to be CRAPCOIN.  So in a way I would like to thank you for helping me to further crystallize my feelings on something that has so far remained unarticulated. 

In a thread where accusations of this and that fascist censorship, discussions of this or that person's discomfort with incendiary or hurtful language, the ban itself, how it was carried out...(sigh) Forgive my post-traumatic stress for being unable to turn away from the train wreck of human spectacle, and my loathing for the process and it's unfolding, even while perversely appreciating the value it must have for the participants, and the community, in some way.  It's just that I have endured seemingly endless anarcho righteous intellectual ego validating rituals and have grown weary of the culture.  From among the privileged, righteous chip on the shoulder predominately male crusty-punk protesters trying to organize and do battle with the state, to years later among this decentralized, airy, fiery, exceedingly male technorati in one of the geekiest anarcho libertarian smartchain scenes, with extremely promising innovations hewn from cutting edge information technology, visionary in nature...and, unfortunately, a pre-pubescent fascination with crap, orgasms, sperm, "circle jerks" and so on.  Now that anyone can have their own UIA, all the kids want to have their junk on display like obscene clown trophies.

There is a notable habit among some of defending any kind of potentially offensive, threatening, slanderous, behavior in the name of free speech.  But I ask you all, what good is your free speech when the only ones left to talk with you are telling poop jokes?

Thinking back, at least the teen and twenty something crusty punk anarchists realized that they really ought to consider being inclusive enough to create an environment where other people felt, at a minimum, relatively safe to join and share, if not actually ATTRACTED to partake and collaborate.  I mean, don't get me wrong, it was still a shit show, and endless face to face consensus decision making processes even under the best circumstance reveals a terrible truth about the desire for people to display their insignificant egos above all else.

What this all boils down to is the kind of environment we want to create here in our community.  I value the qualities of inclusion and non aggression above an anything goes, lowest common denominator attitude.  By and large I hope to encourage more constructive and collaborative conversations here through my own participation, but if someone is on a tirade of abuse and won't be dissuaded, honestly, fuck em.  They can go somewhere else and spew their vitriol.  I'm all for having standards, and there's nothing fascist about doing so.  If you think a community can't agree upon standards of behavior and enforce them without becoming fascist thugs, then you're lost in the woods.  If by excluding one unreasonable and abusive person we make the forum more attractive to ten others, then it's well worth it, in my opinion.

How we treat this forum is how it will be.  How we behave, collectively, reflects on the community here.  I for one want to see BitShares succeed.  I for one wish to create a positive and welcoming environment to help open up participation in this grand experiment to a much wider audience, whereas others feel it is acceptable to treat the forums like their college dorm room floor, hangin out being stoopid and making poop jokes with porn scattered around.  That's not the kind of environment I'm personally looking to create here, or anywhere I choose to spend time.  So, one who persists in maintaining this narrow cultural bandwidth here will inevitably run into some form of pushback from me. I CAN direct my attention elsewhere, but it's really like watching a culturally backwards trainwreck crushing the hopes of future generations for a laugh, when they could be rolling out the red carpet, or the yellow brick road.  My usual MO is to remain silent and carry on as best I can, as many others do. It's not so simple as just leaving the thread and going on with my day, because for better or worse, i actually care about this community and want to see it thrive.

It's also still one of the hugest elephants in the room, which I have alluded to here, namely: Nearly half of the global population, women, are not represented here in the slightest.  Since a select few here continue to insist upon creating the dorm room floor environment thus ensuring that this imbalance will continue, the trend isn't likely to change.  Naturally this isn't a problem unique to BitShares, but BitShares could be unique in it's response.  Women are just the beginning, this is a challenging space for anyone to engage in, and you've got all sorts of groups whose values are aligned with this project but who would not feel welcome, or see value, when they are greeted with the kind of base accusatory discourse they see when they enter here.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but when I have guests over I like to clean up a bit, and create an enjoyable environment to meet with them.  I'd like to see a little bit more of that kind of hospitality here on the forums.

Peace



TL;DR "what good is your free speech when the only ones left to talk with you are telling poop jokes?"

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Meta / Re: Censorship is a sign of weakness
« on: December 11, 2015, 09:47:42 pm »

You're in a bar. A drunk pukes all over the floor, causing a nasty smelling puddle. You are free to look the other way, and put a clothes pin on your nose.

But if the barkeep wants repeat business and a good clientele they may consider 86'ing people who repeatedly stink up the place.

This is a community, it has some standards, so far I think we are extremely tolerant.

However, if the tipbot is used to bump up old and obsolete threads to derail the whole forum there's only one logical consequence: the medium will be stopped.

Spot on. +5%

There is no difference between psychological or physical violence, it's the same to me.

In order to ignore a user you will first have to suffer/endure the psychological violence of his posts.

"Dodge the punches/bullets/insults!" is not a valid argument in my opinion.

If we don't know where other people's noses start, it could be more civil imo to keep a safe distance than to demand "infinite rights and space" to swing our fists.

Well said.  +5%

Well in that case I apologize for creating a UIA on BitShares and sharing it with your community. I simply don't understand the reasoning behind this. Are you guys taking offense to the name of the UIA? It was created because many of you here refer to most UIA's as CRAPCOIN so I capitalized on that words popularity among your forum and thought it was funny.

You guys have ORGASMS and other funny named UIA's. Are you banning those people too? Are you three on the banning people who create UIA's committee or something? Is there anyone else in this community that can override you three guys who have no sense of humor and abuse your mod powers on a whim?

Do I get a refund of my 5,000 BTS for thinking this community was mature enough to handle a fun UIA but instead I get banned for passing them out freely?

I'm not a mod, FYI, but I think your CRAPCOIN UIA is crap, and I think the ORGASMS UIA is crude, and potentially off putting to a demographic we should be welcoming, in the same way.  There's a lot of adult, dare I say, professional work to be done here without having to navigate through a bunch of masturbatory, adolescent, toys on the floor.

If you figure out how to destroy CRAPCOIN so it is never issued again, I will send you 5,000 BTS for your trouble, plus a tip.

Some day the forum will be able to separate the play area from the people who are working, and we won't have to bother to even regulate it... we can just choose to see relevant, work related items, and use our precious little time wisely.

And to clarify, my suggestion to ban you "while we're at it" was meant to be 51% joking.

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Meta / Re: Censorship is a sign of weakness
« on: December 11, 2015, 07:06:18 am »
I move to ban @CRAPCOIN from the forum. It's crapping on every thread.

Hey, while we're at it... why not?  +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Philosophy Discussion: Privacy vs. Openness
« on: December 11, 2015, 06:13:51 am »
Game for privacy is gone, mass surveillance is here to stay – Assange on #RT10 panel
https://www.rt.com/news/325524-assange-privacy-rt-10/

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Privacy “will not be coming back, short of a very regressive economic collapse, which reduces the technological capacity of civilization,” Assange said.

“The reason it will not come back is that the cost of engaging in mass surveillance is decreasing by about 50 per cent every 18 months, because it’s the underlying cost that’s predicated on the cost of telecommunications, moving surveillance intercepts around and computerization and storage – all those costs are decreasing much faster at a geometric rate than the human population is increasing,” he explained.

Mass surveillance and computerization are “winning” the competition with humanity and human values and they’re “going to continue to win at an ever-increasing rate. That’s the reality that we have to deal with,” the WikiLeaks whistleblower added. 

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General Discussion / Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« on: December 08, 2015, 08:01:49 am »

I've seen so many lives ruined by unjust drug laws, this is the first and loudest thing that comes to mind, echoing sentiments of @merivercap, @CLains and others above.

So I would put nonviolent drug offenses at the top of the list, especially since it affects such an insanely large number of people and consequently has a dramatically negative effect on society.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Prisons_and_Drugs

Thinking more on the topic at large.

I haven't made this post yet because one of the criteria is the penalty is mostly financial.

Ruined ass life forever is a bit more than just financial.

Ahh yes, true point... Mostly financial eh? Well beyond the point where ones freedoms are beginning to be restricted by the state for running afoul of various unjust laws and horribly disproportionate sentencing guidelines, the whole theater of supposed, 'justice' is constantly exacting dues and levying financial burdens upon the accused, requiring resources well beyond what the average citizen has access to.  Bail, legal fees, time away from work, general life disruption.  So yes, greatly financial in terms of penalty, up to the point where your other freedoms are violated, and then it's a whole other ballgame besides, right down to finding work with a felony on your resume... The modern reputation system at work.

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