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General Discussion / Re: Next Committee Proposal: Witness Pay
« on: May 21, 2017, 12:30:59 am »
Building tools was never a part of "the deal" for BitShares witnesses, there's much more to the role than that.

However, witnesses are the closest people we have to devs now, some are devs or like me have a strong enough tech background to create some tools.

I have always loved scripting languages, and I will get up to speed on python, count on it! But I can't be pushed, and there is so much going on it's hard for one guy to keep up with everything. Just bought 2 more dedicated servers, one for testnet. Plus I am ramping up on PeerPlays too, so my time to manage all these servers and upgrades (seems like all I've done since returning from Anarchapulco is buy & upgrade) is increasing.

I also here the frustration in your words @xeroc, it's difficult going it alone (so to speak). I have a feeling you'll be getting some help as more devs see how great the opportunities are here. Look, RoelandP is a recent addition, he is a great example of what I bet you'd like to see more of.

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I encourage witnesses  and candidates to run nodes and APIs also on testnet.
I asked for this months ago. Only 2 have made it.

I have also encouraged people to join efforts on witness tools. Besides me, only 3 are building public witness tools by now
I am pretty disappointed by the witnesses performance in general (except for block production). That is also the reason why I voted for a reduction of the number of witnesses .. to get rid of those that just setup the server and do nothing else. I understand that there are few that want to go further and build tools and I would love to encourage them, but I personally (today) prefer to go through a worker (many workers)
that pay those people to build those tools and APIs. Given that we now also have the tools to do USD denominated workers, I think this is the path forward - and not through a lot of money at all witnesses.
It also separates the jobs quite nicely.

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committee is scheduling to reduce the witness payment from 3BTS/block to 1BTS/block. it will happen soon.

details can be found here: https://github.com/BitShares-Committee/proposals/blob/master/170518_Witness_Payment_Adjustment.md

some relevant discussion can be found here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,24104.msg306298/topicseen.html#msg306298
+5%

Will this be done before those who are attending Consensus 2017 return from NYC?

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General Discussion / Re: Next Committee Proposal: Witness Pay
« on: May 19, 2017, 02:56:13 am »
!!!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!

An astonishingly amazing and awesome post sir, I symbolically bow to thee!

So many great things in there, and I can't take issue with any,  V E R Y  well said.

Isn't it the professional path to follow? For how long would you trust a blockchain without a serious software release protocol?

This is the essence of how seriously this community understands what we're doing and what's at stake. Since the majority of stake is held in eastern hands, and since those hands and the minds they're connected to have only a small number of people who participate in the forum and on the Friday mumble sessions (and perhaps on the Telegram channels as well), it is extremely important for those in the east that DO follow and stay informed such as @bitcrab, to emphasize the principles @rnglab so comprehensively articulated here to their eastern brethren. Failure to do so could lead to irrational decisions harmful to the robustness and longevity of this amazing ecosystem. This is not just the responsibility of one group but it is an important directive for us all. Educate, educate educate. Market, market, market.

The western and the eastern communities must learn to communicate better and manifest a unified perspective towards the value of work that must be done to maintain and grow this platform. Can we do it? It is a significant challenge due to cultural and language obstacles, but it is so very important to try.

Who knows, perhaps the people of these two groups can demonstrate the power that peer-to-peer cooperation can make in the world. A spirit of humanity springing forth from the grassroots, not dictated by a ruling class that cannot possibly make effective and appropriate decisions for individuals. If the well being of individuals is threatened it will ultimately threaten the collective. This is why gubermnt will always be at odds with the best interests of the people.

I have a genuine respect for the eastern view that considers the well being of society above the individual. It is quite different than the the view held in the west, at least historically who emphasize the importance of the individual. It illustrates the need for balance, as both views have value.

It's very interesting that the 2 cultures are evolving away from their past orientation and embracing the contrary; people in the west moving more towards a collective orientation (i.e. socialism) and the east moving more towards individualism. This is a generalization of course, and the speed of change is not fast or ubiquitous within those collective populations.

I know that individualism is still strong and dominant for the western participants in this project, but we are learning to balance that with the needs of the many who make up this entire ecosystem.

I am rambling here and have inadvertently steered the focus away from the nuts and bolts, practical concerns expressed by @rnglab. But please consider the import of what we have expressed and may that lead to a brighter future for us all.

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General Discussion / Re: BlockPay in Serious Trouble
« on: May 19, 2017, 01:48:44 am »
Today is Blockpays 1st year anniversary. With all the negativity going around here, I decide to do something positive for Blockpay. Here is a little steemit post I did: http://bit.ly/2q1S56b

 +5% +5% +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Next Committee Proposal: Witness Pay
« on: May 18, 2017, 04:54:15 am »
I have remove my vote for witness jerryliu.

But I know bitcrab is very busy for help bitshares these days,
he had contact many new partner(include exchange, ico, bitCNY gateway) to join bitshares.
and attend some meetup in Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu for Bitshares
he is the best  wealth for Bitshares,
I need our witness with a high quality
So I will vote for jerryliu again when he resovle the feed price problem.
+5%

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General Discussion / Re: The Hero from BitShares Island
« on: May 17, 2017, 09:51:50 pm »
Not skilled in trading and I am interested in collateralizing HERO's but I am confused.  I thought the HERO was a stable FPA which would be valued based on the 1913 US$ with 5% APR.  Value would continue to just increase based on formula.  Now I see that there is a buy/sell wall and values change with demand.  Does not make it stable at all.  Can someone please enlighten me.

This asset is less than 24 hours old. I can understand why you might be confused. This is a "BitAsset" which is pegged to the value of the USD feed + 5%

The "interest" will not be paid by the BitShares reserver pool but rather by speculation initially and after awhile shorters in the market will provide a revenue stream. You can read about the theory in this steemit article here and here.

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General Discussion / Re: Next Committee Proposal: Witness Pay
« on: May 17, 2017, 09:09:30 pm »
@bitcrab, you truly help this community, and I am very grateful for that.

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fortunatelly now in a whole the price feeding of witnesses work well so my absent do not lead to obvious worse consequence...

What would happen if other witnesses used this same excuse? It's not like you can't afford to hire someone to resolve the issue for you.

I won't keep hounding you about this but if others do I think it's deserved.

Perhaps you should consider giving up your witness slot so others who have the time and are able to perform according to the standards you yourself have described  have a chance to.

Please respect the Witness job and take steps to correct this as soon as possible.

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General Discussion / Re: Next Committee Proposal: Witness Pay
« on: May 17, 2017, 04:06:46 pm »
I don't disagree with your request @bitcrab, I would not oppose it.

However, I would like to point out that you are not exactly setting a good example for witnesses to follow.

You were the one who helped promote the rise in witness pay and I supported you in that.

I am quite sad your feeds are broken AND you missed a huge number of blocks, that's not acting responsibly towards your role as a witness, and it makes us all look bad. Please try to do better and get your feeds running again!

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General Discussion / Re: Dan's Next Project - EOS Rears its Head
« on: May 16, 2017, 06:26:10 pm »
I'm surprised that the mere mention of a certain individual makes people here discuss the question of dropping BTS for something about which very little is known at this time, basically that it will be called EOS and is some new idea of BM.

But if EOS is a system that completely undermines the wealth of BTS 2 shareholders, then what's to say that Dan won't find cryptonitesupercode language better suited to blockchains in 2 years time? And replaces EOS again?
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I know you can't release certain information; but is 'Don't worry BTS 2 shareholders, we aren't going to fuck you over' that much to ask for?

IMO it's a safe bet that Dan will sooner or later leave EOS behind. He's got a history of doing that.
And you won't hear a "we aren't going to fuck you over", because I think that BM worries very little about the *people* here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that EOS is going to be an amazing piece of technology, and I'm sure that BM does not intend to "fuck anyone over". But that doesn't mean you won't feel like having been fucked over, after he's left.


Well said @pc, well said.  +5%

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General Discussion / Re: BlockPay in Serious Trouble
« on: May 16, 2017, 06:02:04 pm »
Were you aware that Chris4210 only has a minority ownership position and kencode has a majority 51% position in BitShares Munich? Are you aware that a majority owner can over-rule a minority owner? Why do you put so much importance on Chris' title? What matters is contracted ownership rights, titles are merely a label.

You are wrong there, Thom. In a company, the designated CEO acts on behalf of the company, and he usually is the only one entitled to do so. The owners merely have the right to hire or fire the CEO. When Xeroc is doing business with BitShares Munich, the designated CEO is the person he needs to talk to. The CEO signs his contract on behalf of the company, and the owners have no say in this.

Apart from this I can tell you from personal experience that quarrels between business owners are very nasty stuff, and in the end there will be no winners - except for the lawyers, probably. If you want my advice, then stay out of this everybody.

I perfectly understand that neither party is going full disclosure here, because that would probably be considered treason by the opposing party, and is therefore likely to weaken their own position.

Just wait until Ken and Chris have sorted out the situation, and live with whatever explanation they come up with. I don't think you have much of a choice, anyway. The drama in this thread is just a waste of time.

When any officer acts against the explicit wishes and directives of the owner(s), not only can they be fired they may also be sued for breaching their fiduciary responsibility. I just heard that chris4210 has stepped down from his ceo position due to a disagreement with Rodrigo, who chris4210 sold some of his 49% interest to. How much I don't know. Now doesn't this tell you all something about who is stirring the hornets nest here?

@pc I don't agree that staying silent in these things is always the best policy. I despise apathy, and that is what that advice sounds like.

I am not so naive to believe I have the entire story. I would not be surprised in the least that information is being withheld by both parties. However, I have more trust in kencode than I do for chris4210 for a number of reasons, the most important of which is the principles the two parties are known to espouse concerning statism. I also give more credibility to those with more experience, not only in business but in life in general.

I thought long and hard about the post I submitted last night, especially considering how important I value xeroc's input and perspective. Nevertheless I felt compelled to do as I can't sit by and just let this happen if I can do something to help. I believe I am doing just that, helping to bring more of this to light so YOU will have more info upon which to makes decisions.

If some piece of information turns up about kencode that impugns his integrity to the point he is disgraced and is shown to be at fault and totally in the wrong, not only will I be sad for what it means to this community it will also reflect on my judgment negatively. I just don't see that happening.

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I think you miss my point regarding AA. He's definitely not a Bitcoin maximalist, however he is always reluctant to endorse specific altcoins. I think I heard him say once he prefers to be an independent observer and not tied to a specific alt. He is mostly focused on Bitcoin in his presentations as well as general news and activities in the cryptospace. I also see his perspective towards individual freedom and away from fiat as being very strong, and in that regard he would fit well with our ecosystem. That also paints a picture of his high level of integrity (to me at least) and thus not so easily swayed or influenced by money, so waving a bunch of it in his face to entice him won't be as effective you you seem to believe it might be.

But hey, for all I know you are his best friend, and if you believe the approach of using a celebrity to improve adoption is the way to go, just do it! I'll be the first to encourage you.

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Well, I'll start it off here with a bid of 1000 BTS. It's not much but don't worry, more will follow!

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: May 16, 2017, 04:08:41 pm »
The price today is ALMOST the All Time High. $0.046529 according to coinmarketcap.com

The price has only ever been higher (in USD) than it is today for one night, August the 25th 2014

No, actually the record had to be near May 8th, where BitShares was #15 and Steem was #10. I caped a screenshot of CMC with price of BTS at $0.056 that day.

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General Discussion / Re: BlockPay in Serious Trouble
« on: May 16, 2017, 03:22:27 pm »
Thanks guys for the feedback. I asked 16 questions in that post, so let’s see if any of them are actually addressed (particularly by @xeroc or @Chris4210) as future posts are added here. @kenCode saw it and also liked it. When I tried to reply earlier at 10:15AM CDT the forum was not responding. It is now but is extremely slowly.

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Nice work you 2. How are you taking auction bids?

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