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General Discussion / Re: BITUSD P2P Lending
« on: December 27, 2014, 01:32:38 am »
If we can figure that out we could compete with them pretty easily.
Actually I take that back. If you think of Bitshares Lend like Bitshares Music then BTCJam could be what PeerTrack is to Bitshares Music. In other words BTCJam could be just another "storefront".

Edit: Same goes for bitlendingclub.

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General Discussion / Re: BITUSD P2P Lending
« on: December 27, 2014, 12:11:47 am »
Do you think I can approach https://btcjam.com and others like that with BITUSD? Can BITUSD support it?
That is very interesting. I wonder how they are able to issue loans everywhere like that (legally). I'll have to do more research when I have time.
If we can figure that out we could compete with them pretty easily.

https://btcjam.com/stats

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General Discussion / Re: BITUSD P2P Lending
« on: December 26, 2014, 08:24:42 am »
My only concern is that once bitUSD achieves close parity due to higher yields, the lower bound of interest creditors will accept on the market will be the effect annual bitUSD yield, pushing large debtors such as companies out of the P2P lending network, effectively slowing down the DAC expansion.
How high do you expect the yields to be on bitUSD?

Grade A loans make an average of 4.5% profit (if I remember correctly) and the interest charged is around 8%.
So this means that bitUSD yield would need to be around 7% because investors always think they can beat the average by picking A grade loans with their strategy. BitUSD yield would need to be around 5% to compete with the super low interest loans (~6% interest).

Also another thing is bitUSD yield is relatively safe but not guaranteed to be stable. So this could be another way to diversify.

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General Discussion / Re: BITUSD P2P Lending
« on: December 26, 2014, 07:56:51 am »
Do you mean it shouldnt be a separate software? I would like to know more about why it would be better.
The main reason is creating a DAC like (let's call it) Bitshares Lend would require a huge amount of resources. It would also split the community because the bitUSD from Bitshares would compete with the bitUSD from Bitshares Lend. So not only would their bitAssets compete but also they would compete for resources. At least that is one theory. Maybe it would be a good idea to keep them separate.

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That is mainly where I come from.  I am in Canada and there is no way for me to get into it.

To make it international, there could be an internal credit score rating. Dont know how that would work though.
Yea I would love to diversify my consumer debt across multiple countries. If one country gets hit harder than other countries I won't be effected as much. I don't think creating an internal credit score rating would be the biggest of our worries because most countries have a good way of determining credit worthiness and all of the methods are pretty similar.

I think a bigger problem is that lending laws are different in every country (not only that but they can be different in different regions of the country). For example lending club is still trying to become legal in every state. There are p2p lending companies establishing themselves in many countries. The good news is we can walk in their foot steps.

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I am not familiar with notes. I would love to learn more about that.
Sure, basically the way it works is you have an investor and a borrower. Let's say there is a borrower who wants $30,000. Once they get accepted by lending club their loan, credit score and other information (only info that is needed nothing that gives away their ID) gets publish so investors can see it. Investor have the opportunity to invest in increments of $25. Once the investor has given the borrower money he/she has created a note. So notes can be worth $25 or $3,500, whatever that particular investor gave them. I think the limit is 50% of the loan but I'm not sure, I've never tried.

Personally I only ever create $25 dollar notes but still invest $200 per person (so I create 8 $25 notes). The reason I do this is because notes can be sold and it's much easier to sell a $25 note than it is to sell a +$200 note.

Sorry if any of that confused you I'm not very good at explaining things.

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General Discussion / Re: BitUSD onramp
« on: December 25, 2014, 11:12:04 am »
Anyway, I do appreciate the more pragmatic view we get from you Toast.

Happy Holidays all!
^^^

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General Discussion / Re: BITUSD P2P Lending
« on: December 25, 2014, 02:29:35 am »
What could be different?  People can OWN shares in the DAC to add to their portfolio? Earn interest if no position is taken (bitusd yield)?
I think if we could we should leave it on the bitshares blockchain and not create a new DAC.

Owning shares would be unique if Lending Club didn't start trading on the NYSE 2 weeks ago...
https://www.google.com/finance?cid=291564398667183

International in a way the gov can't regulate too much? Multi-currency?
Yea that is one thing that could help us stand out. We could allow users from around the world to trade loans among each other as well as issue a loan to someone in a different country.

Other things that might help us stand out are...
We could allow people to trade notes (loans) for almost nothing. Right now it's 1% to trade notes which is very high.
From what I remember it takes a while to trade note (I think it was 3-4 days). We could do it in a matter of seconds.

PS You have the same first name (Renaud) as the CEO of Lending Club... :o :o coincidence?
I think not! lol

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General Discussion / Re: BITUSD P2P Lending
« on: December 24, 2014, 08:08:38 pm »
The Devs hang around the forum all the time.   This is something we could really use some help figuring out how to market.

I don't think marketing this would be very hard at all. Everyone is always looking for a loan and word of mouth will help quite a bit.



The funny thing is they used a referral program back around 2012-2013 as part of marketing. Now I think they are just using word of mouth and targeted ads across the internet, as well as new stories/articles.

Also as I mentioned in the other post regulation shouldn't be a huge problem. Lending Club is slowly but surely taking care of regulation.

The biggest problem I see is what do we offer that is different/more appealing. We can't just mirror everything that Lending Club does and expect to succeed. We need something that separates us from the crowd. Personally I don't think the fact that we are decentralized is going to help with that aspect very much.

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General Discussion / Re: BITUSD P2P Lending
« on: December 23, 2014, 06:33:19 pm »
Collateralized lending is planned for BTS.   Unfortunately, what most people want is uncollateralized, trust-based lending.  For the uncollateralized model to work you need a global ID / reputation system and that is under development for BTS.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9806.0

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 +5% +5%

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2014/12/11/ipo-stocks-markets-tech-loans-/20241925/

LendingClub, a kind of Kickstarter for loans, saw its stock soar more than 60% in its first day of trading Thursday before closing up a hefty 56.2%.

LendlingClub (LC), which matches borrowers with lenders, including individual lenders, soared to as high as $25.44 a share at its open, up 69% from its $15-a-share initial offering price. The stock ended the day up 56% to $23.42 a share.

Yea it's a great idea, great company and it has been one of my most fruitful investments over the years. It's also a relatively new market and if bitshares could get in now... well I couldn't even imagine what would happen!

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General Discussion / Re: What is BitShares?
« on: December 18, 2014, 04:39:37 pm »
http://bytemaster.github.io/update/2014/12/18/What-is-BitShares.html

Answering the question “What is BitShares?” has been one of the most difficult challenges I have faced. BitShares is so many things to different people and there are a thousand different ways of understanding what BitShares is. This post will tell you what BitShares is to me, its founder. Before getting into the long-answer to this question, let me give you the executive summary. BitShares is one of the most important tools that any community can use to secure their freedom; an idea whose time has come. After reading this post I bet you will agree.

 +5% +5% +5%

Someone should make that into a short video!

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General Discussion / Re: Brian Page (MktDirector) Is Moving On
« on: December 18, 2014, 03:30:13 pm »
I gave BP the benefit of the doubt.  I understood the reasons for waiting for the 'big 1.0 marketing push,' and I defended the lack of results because the I3 team, with greater visibility, confidently backed the work BP did behind the scenes. Suffice to say, the big push hasn't come, the low hanging fruits were left hanging, and I am disappointed. 

I am however thrilled about the Null Street team and community marketers.  You guys rock.
Same.

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General Discussion / Re: Brian Page (MktDirector) Is Moving On
« on: December 16, 2014, 10:37:49 pm »
where the hell is tonyk ?   :D

lmao

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Disappointment and Hope - Delegates, Unite!
« on: December 16, 2014, 10:19:41 pm »
We really need 1 website where we can browse delegates, click their names and have...

  • The mission of that delegate
  • Weekly, biweekly, monthly, etc. updates/results
  • Other delegate info such as pay rate, produce, missed etc.

It could easily be added to this.
http://www.bitsharesblocks.com/delegates

Hopefully svk would consider adding this. The forum is a great place to get elected but we need a place where we can see what the 101 delegates are up to.
^^^We need this. It's hard to keep track of all the people and what they are doing if you are not super active on the forums. Having everything organised in one place will help with voting.
Also a nice feature would be a delegate having the ability to recommend another delegate. So say on toast's or BM's delegate page they could have a list of other delegates they recommend.

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I agree with this.  +5%
It doesn't make sense that they have to pay interest.

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