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自从QQ和微信被盗后很久没有到论坛发贴。今天借 “BTS中文区发言人”无查证引用论坛言论为由发帖如下,请大家自由表达意见


1)如此说明甚好,作为发言人不能将没有查证过有明显倾向性的言论以i3中国区发言人的名义发布。这样就无法体现客观公正。

2)说到中国社区的推广基金,既然你们有领取就应该在社区公布出来,你们知道目前沈波先生因为这个推广基金账目问题受到多方质疑,沈先生因为事务繁忙无法象英文社区那样公开每笔使用明细账,如果你们领取者能发帖汇总,也是对沈波的工作的支持以及对bts推广的支持,而且还可以回击好事者的无聊质疑



目前不仅国内就连国外社区的朋友都在问为什么中国社区的推广基金使用没有明细账,

我把BM的回帖貼上來,好像是yao理解錯了。bts的確是有新的代表薪水規定,不知道bm是否有更詳細的解說。你們需要核准後發上來,否則誤導大家

另外,據說你們3個都有領i3的中國區推廣資金,能否給予澄清? :)


1、作为翻译者,我们一直有来自比特股之家(www.bts.hk)的稿费收入,如果稿件数量多、质量好,还会获取额外的奖金。比特股之家的赞助经费一部分来自中国区推广资金,但平时没有专门说明,所以很多比特股之家上一些作者都不知道自己的稿费有一部分是来自中国区推广资金的,从而造成了误解。

2、为了增进沟通的效率,中国区设立了发言人这个职位,入选三人均是属于普通网友,沈波先生会根据工作的质量与效果给予一定的TIPS(贴士)。

3、BM说过,不希望有人为bts系统牺牲太大而得不到补偿,这也是我们的想法,如何在长远的路程里既能持续为社区服务、持续为自己的爱好付出,又能不影响自己的工作和生活质量。所以我们的长远计划是设立受托人,并依据我们的表现争取中国区、外国区的网友认同,并给我们投票。根据BM描绘的长远愿景,如果以后能在成功的bts系统里当上受托人,对我们来说会是一个很好的额外收入。像外国区的网友Fuzz,一直自己掏钱为mumble服务器付出,为社区付出,我们将来也希望跟他一起组团当受托人,争取更多国外网友的支持。


另外关于Yao对bm提到的受托人薪水的理解问题,我们确实没有核准清楚,暂时先删除。谢谢你的提醒。

我把BM的回帖貼上來,好像是yao理解錯了。bts的確是有新的代表薪水規定,不知道bm是否有更詳細的解說。你們需要核准後發上來,否則誤導大家

另外,據說你們3個都有領i3的中國區推廣資金,能否給予澄清? :)

今天简报的英文版在https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10774.0

另外,有一个问题需要在中文区特别说明,论坛会员Yao提到了,现在有人恶意解读BM对受托人工资预算的公式,试图误导群众。Yao认为,“【 50 BTS per block 】是怎么来的:目前系统的交易手续费是0.5BTSX/笔,如果交易需求较多,100%支付率,满负荷运转(正常交易,非压力测试极限承载能力)10s一个块,1s容纳10笔交易,所以一个块是50BTSX(合并成SuperDAC后就是50BTS)的收益。”  也就是说,要在最理想化的状态下,受托人才有每块50BTSX的收入。详细请看https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10729.0的四楼,Yao的回复。

I would support you in this... this would be a "salary position" and not "give away funds"... so I support such a position.

Each delegate position earns about $2500 per month at todays market cap with 100% pay.   It isn't much, but then again you are independently wealthy and are seeing your own stake grow.

I assume this $2500 a month is for a 'salary delegate' and not a standard delegate.  Is there some official explanation of what a salary delegate is/how it works.  I've obviously missed it.

A delegate with 100% pay rate under the new rules...  50 BTS per block.

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烤面包的keyid已經有熱心者做了區快瀏覽器
http://dns.bitsharesblocks.com/home

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General Discussion / zipped binary installation package needed
« on: October 02, 2014, 08:21:53 pm »
BM,

just wondering if you are able  to provide a portable win32 zipped binary installation package.   


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看了BM的今天关于Me的贴子,感觉目前I3已经没有兴趣去发布Me了。http://weibo.com/3815266407/BjEzF9eaA

BM说请任何希望fork的人自行处理。
http://t.cn/RP1r91V

@币民南宫远 @BTS_Newsroom @BTS熊

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General Discussion / Question For BM regarding update Assets info?
« on: August 22, 2014, 04:35:22 pm »
Hi BM

As you mention that we would be able to update the asset's properties after hard fork?  could you please let me know if it is possible to update Asset now?

thanks in advance




I properly created an asset. But in some case of the name, i would like to change the display name as well as the description. I have tried to figure out the way to change but not action on the UI or the console. Is it possible to change the asset name after it is created???

Not currently possible but we may add this. I've noted it: https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/issues/549

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BM这个帖子就是相当于告诉我们如果比特资产在主链有直接和bitusd交易的优势,是不是应该赶紧在目前注册资产还可以负担的起的情况下考虑注册一个自己的资产


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Bottom line is show wants to go short USD (create USD) while the BTSX network is in a bubble?  No one..... when you rely on price feeds alone you create unlimited short supply.

What? Shorting bitUSD is the same directional sentiment as BTSX rising in price. If you think the bubble is going to pop, then yes, people will not want to short bitUSD. Fortunately, nobody knows when the bubble will pop. And there will always be the people who bought in at the top. That is the nature of free markets, no one knows jack. It sounds like you think that someone is going to know the markets crests and troughs. They will only know in hindsight. I guarantee it.

Release a GUI test run with windows and apple binaries. This will be good for everyone.

Almost had a GUI out today... waiting on GUI team to fix a few last minute bugs.

I am not claiming that there won't be people shorting at the top... only that it is more likely that those selling at the top will be other USD longs rather than new USD shorts.  I am also saying that it is fine for these shorts to take a loss because it was their call, but it wouldn't be fine for the network to be the greatest fool due to algorithmic ignorance.

I hear you.

 +5% on GUI test.

Will bitUSD be the vehicle or a vehicle to enter into the other bitAssets? Or are all of the assets to be pegged to BTSX? If bitUSD is the primary gateway for the other assets, like bitGold, then you will constantly have a demand to sell bitUSD. From above the problem was that no one would want to sell bitUSD when a bubble bursts. Well if bitGold or the assets are rising, then You would need to sell bitUSD to get them, no? This is assuming that the markets of some of the assets will not move In tandem with btsx/bitUSD and will most times be inversely related to the BTSX/bitUSD fluctuations. I'm not saying all or always.

You can trade BitGold vs BitUSD directly without going through BTSX

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中文 (Chinese) / BM 对me 在overstock股票应用最新论述
« on: August 09, 2014, 07:41:52 pm »
me可以综合下面优点 privacy(私隐) + public accounting(公开 ) + regulatory compliance(市场的股票条例)  +5% +5% +5%

要看更多信息看原贴系列。。。


I would like to add some insights I had in the shower...

A downfall to restricting owners of a stock to a certified set is the loss of privacy.   Fortunately, we can use Ring Signatures + TITAN to allow someone to prove they are a member of the SET of authorized users without revealing which member they are.   

Now we can have privacy + public accounting + regulatory compliance.

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i heard lots of complains from chinese community since chinese  heavily depend on  mobile phone and has around 1 B mobile user. It is not convenient for them to key in alphabet and number  by using one hand.  ie. for "P2P", mobile user need to switch to number keypad screen twice.

p2p is not mobile user friendly . Can we change to something more mobile user friendly suffix like "ppp" ,"dns", "ooo"



DNS 发布在即,等了好久都没人提出这个问题。

P2P 这可是数字和字母混搭,犯了优秀域名的大忌。老外的网站可是宁愿10个字母以上也不愿意用字母数字混搭的。以后如果发展到移动平台上,输完字母 ' p ' 还要切换到数字键盘输入 ' 2 ', 再切换到字母键盘输入 ' p ' 这可不是一般的麻烦。而且美学上说google.p2p   baidu.p2p  这样的域名也是不够好的。我觉得后缀就算直接用   .dns 也比这个要好。大家怎么说呢?

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BM对DNS系统竞标的解释,很简单,也容易懂






I would actually like to comment on this process some to encourage users to make larger bids rather than the minimum possible bid.

A bids 10 for "name" and pays the network 5 as dividends.
B bids 20 for "name", pays A 12.5 and the network 2.5
C bids 30 for "name", pays B 22.5 and the network 2.5
~ no body bids for 3 days, C won the domain for a total of 25
C puts the name back up for sale at 20
D bids 25 and pays it to C. 
E bids 27 and pays it to D.

After the initial bidding, the network does not collect fees from the auction except from the per-byte transaction fees.

Under these rules someone can secure a name cheaper if they bid higher initially because they increase the amount they must be outbid by to lose the name.  So if I attempt to do many small bids then chances are I would pay more than if I made a big bid and hope no one would be willing to raise the bar by 2x what I did.  If they do then I profit dramatically.   This means that the person who wants to actually own the name is motivated to bid their highest possible bid on the first go so that they might get the domain as cheaply as possible.     

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KeyID / wondering if toast has a go-live timeline for DNS?
« on: August 08, 2014, 09:46:13 pm »
wondering if you have a go-live timeline ?

hi toast, getting a lot of messages from Chinese community and wondering if you have a go-live timeline ? they are all excited of your new allocation  +5% +5% +5% +5% +5%

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The first  international order for "Tampax tampons" was completed by using btsx on 08/08/14 between "BTS熊 "(china) and Germany provider "William" . this order includes 4 packs of  "Tampax tampons"/10 bag MERZ Mask / weleda shower Gel / Cream and is ready for shipping. "BTS熊 " is so excited for his order which was first time been completed in human-being's history  by using btsx. The total amount of this order is 7,119btsx. I guess it must be the most expensive "Tampax tampons" if we go back to read this post 2 years later. "BTS熊 "'s girlfriend must be the most lucky woman in the world. +5% +5% +5% +5% :P :P :P :P :P :P



trade record screen shot



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DNS最终分配方案如下

20% AGS
20% PTS
10% Developer 开发者
50%理论上都用作代表挖矿( 最终的结果是Toast团队在耗光10%份额后失去对DNS产品的控制,彻底成为大家的打工仔)

20% AGS
20% PTS
10% Developer
50% (theoretical max) for Delegates, effectively whichever outside teams the developer chooses.

Equivalent to:

40% AGS
40% PTS
20% Developer
Diluted up to 2x to pay outsiders for whatever we want



Deal with it, start talking about where the remaining 50% needs to be spent.


Toast, could you please elaborate the meaning of "effectively whichever outside teams the developer chooses"? confused. do you mean delegates still getting up to 50% but may relocate some % of this part for other purpose ?

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50% (theoretical max) for Delegates, effectively whichever outside teams the developer chooses.

I just mean that with 20% of the initial stake it would take a true rebellion for AGS/PTS holders to outvote the core devs. As time goes on and more and more of the dev fund is spent, the devs will lose control.

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再开一贴,大家继续讨论。建议用“游击队之歌”作中国大陆的推广曲


攻击BTS很难

1)bts客户端可以躲在firewall后面,没有服务端口,你如何攻击?
2)获取代表的ip是很难的。云服务器技术可以使用遍布世界各地的多个ip。一个ip受攻击马上可以切换到备用ip。
3)交易留量攻击,我们很欢迎,至少你得花0.1个币来产生一个交易吧。正好缓解目前交易量不足的问题

为什么BM倾向给代表多点帮助就是为了让代表有能力更新设备,至少用云服务器。因为大的云服务器提供商都配有企业级别的防火墙和防DDOS攻击机制

如果觉得还不满足,可以让I3修改参数到每秒20/40/80/100个,这样的攻击代表们会很开心的。用不了多久代表们就有钱配置银行级别的服务器。
突然想起了游击队之歌“没有枪没有炮,敌人给我们造”。

alwaysjh,如果是你那种服务器的确会很容易受攻击。但如果用微软和谷歌提供的云服务器,攻击者很容易找不到北了。
因为他们的IP资源丰富,而且分别分布在不同地区。我可以让我的代表每个ip只使用一次然后切换到另一个ip继续服务。

要攻击bts其实容易惨了,持续创建批量垃圾交易,打包到一个广播里,自己发给自己账号,弄几个节点持续往种子节点发就是了,代表再强大都没用。目前这点手续费,持续攻击全网几天都基本上没什么成本。
我也持有bts能不吹牛吗?还有更牛的攻击方法,目前没必要弄出来,到时候做空需要自然有大资金和黑客合作。101个代表如果不是自适应产生靠手工投票搞死网络太容易了。



想要打,IP获得是很容易的,防火墙也是没有用的,总带宽有多少攻击流量可以是总带宽的几倍哦,没有打不掉的,只是说需要话多少钱
每秒10笔,成本1bts,一天5w多…感觉代表会很欢迎啊

代表的ip在特定的时间内只用一次,你怎么用DDOS流量攻击,想攻击必须预先知道代表的IP才行。等你搞到ip时代表下次出快已经换成新的ip了



http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTY5NTA5ODA=.html

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我们都是神枪手,
每一颗子弹消灭一个敌人;
我们都是飞行军,
哪怕那山高水又深!
在密密的树林里,
到处都安排同志们的宿营地;
在高高的山岗上,
有我们无数的好兄弟。
没有吃,没有穿,
自有那敌人送上前;
没有枪,没有炮,
敌人给我们造。
我们生长在这里,
每一寸土地都是我们自己的,
无论谁要强占去,
我们就和他拼到底!
我们都是神枪手,
每一颗子弹消灭一个敌人;
我们都是飞行军,
哪怕那山高水又深!
在密密的树林里,
到处都安排同志们的宿营地;
在高高的山岗上,
有我们无数的好兄弟。
没有吃,没有穿,
自有那敌人送上前;
没有枪,没有炮,
敌人给我们造。
我们生长在这里,
每一寸土地都是我们自己的,
无论谁要强占去,
我们就和他拼到底!
我们都是神枪手,
每一颗子弹消灭一个敌人;
我们都是飞行军,
哪怕那山高水又深!
在密密的树林里,
到处都安排同志们的宿营地;
在高高的山岗上,
有我们无数的好兄弟。
没有吃,没有穿,
自有那敌人送上前;
没有枪,没有炮,
敌人给我们造。
我们生长在这里,
每一寸土地都是我们自己的,
无论谁要强占去,
我们就和他拼到底!



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第11轮测试,代号华尔街之狼。 现在就等大家去砸盘

Dry Run 11: The Wolf of Coin Market Cap

测试版本编译步骤如下
Code: [Select]

git clone https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit
cd bitshares_toolkit
git checkout develop
git submodule init
git submodule update
cmake .
make




需要测试用币的请跟贴并贴上你的账号

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missing dot for the amount in "Maximum delegate pay per block"  in latest windows client

I guest it is a bug since current pay per block is 1.13541 not 113541




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