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we adjust parameters because they need adjustment, no one think we can get user base growth only by parameter adjustment.

Yes, increase system income is important for growth of Bitshares.

the core prelude worker is on going, and after that will be subsequent core worker. If you just refuse to accept them, I don't know what to say.

you mentioned what you see is just what you guess, there's no 3 Chinese people that can make decision, even in China community it is not easy to reach consensus, I understand there's problems, but if you just like blaming, not try to understand each other, I don't know what to say.

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kindly reminding: after the launch of BTS4.0, all the gateway assets need to share market fee to system, either participate the MM contest or not.
In this case, you'll have probably only your gateway, and bitshares ranked 110+ or something. I heard more and more people and services talking about the fork, also saw some code already. What you will do with double taxation when it will be nothing to taxate?



After observing the previous MM contest we've decided to not legitimize money-grabbing from the reserve pool.


RuDEX will not participate in the next MM contest please exclude our platform from this list

 A: a gov provide poor public service, with low tax rate.
 B: a gov provide high quality public service, with higher tax rate.

it is possible that B is better than A. we need to try.

MM is a service that any exchange need, MM contest is a mechanism that distributing the MM task, I am sad that you call it "money-grabbing", however, I believe that this mechanism will contribute greatly to BTS with continuous update and optimization.

 

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I just call BSIP86 is a BSIP without thinking, when BTS charge the market fees of GATEWAY assets, BTS will have the jointly liable!!!

just shout and bite as you wish, if you enjoy.

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你想与网关共荣共存,网关想跟你共荣共存吗?这些网关难道就没有别的区块链系统可选?到时候一旦决定离开bts系统的时候,bts难道还能反悔?谁会想与这样一个朝三暮四的系统捆绑在一起?

网关就是上缴100%的交易费也不够系统提供的资金,几个网关日活人数就那么几个,即使在交易大赛加持下,自己都养活不了自己,还想抽他们的血再去搞什么回购,那点资金连大赛支出都难以覆盖。

离了网关,bts就没有与外界的通路了?那核心代币bts是干什么的?ZB的bitcny/QC交易对不行?

不要把bts老是想与网关死死的绑在一起,平台收了网关的市场手续费,意味着平台要负连带法律责任,到时候谁来承担这个责任?

怎么做市商是网关自己需要考虑的事情,因为是网关想要发展自己的交易所,发展自己的用户群,提升交易量,增加收入,怎么做宣传,怎么法律合规是网关自己的内部事务,说的白话一点就是网关是bts上的dapp, dapp怎么折腾是dapp的事情,dapp出现的任何问题bts不会对其付任何责任,因为bts没有收网关任何交易费用,收的只是网络操作与处理费用,难道eth也要对建立在eth上的dapp交易所抽血,eos也要对建立在eos上的dapp交易所抽血?如果V神与BM收了eth与eos上庞氏骗局的市场交易手续费,是不是应该负连带法律责任?!

bts的智能资产有自己稳定的用户群,他们有几成会去交易网关资产?搞活智能资产的难度系数远远小于搞活网关dapp.

一个中心化的wbtc抵押借贷可以几周之内吸引5000多btc, 还没有看出什么端倪来?

好吧,不是捆绑在一起,只是协同,共生而已。

BSIP86后,市场费用都得分享给系统,这不过是资产定义者付的基础设施费用,ETH的骗局连带不了小V,凭什么BTS就要受连带?

ZB上的bitCNY/QC交易,BTS系统又分享不了任何费用。

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2.BTS/bitAssets group, Base Reward 3KBTS, Top Reward 20KBTS, and Buy-Sell Reward Ratio 10:0
Why should the network reward the borrower of a scam coin ? Something is here completely wrong.

it's easy to call bitCNY and bitUSD scamcoin, it's difficult to make BTS grow up and resume bitCNY and bitUSD.

even peg off, bitCNY still contribute much more market fee than pegged bitAssets like bitEUR.

we need not to exclude bitCNY and bitUSD, we need more market fee, we need to provide market making chance to bitCNY and bitUSD holders, we need to do market making for bitCNY and bitUSD before they resume.

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BTS是一个DeFi平台,BTS注定要走平台币路线,这里有两件事至关重要,一个是BTS如何与其它主流的虚拟货币发生关系。二是bitAssets如何发挥作用。

可以说主要的舞台就是BTS,至于BTS是不是纯粹的DEX这件事情没那么重要,只要这是一个舞台,是一个可以创收然后用来回购BTS的平台就好。

BTS目前要与其它主流的虚拟货币发生关系,依然需要依赖网关,在真正实用的跨链技术可以在BTS链上实现之前,网关的作用依然是不可取代的,有了网关,内盘和外盘间才有了一条可用的通路,BSIP86将把网关和系统更紧密地捆绑,共生共荣。

而bitAssets的舞台也应该主要是内盘,因为在内盘的交易才会为系统创收,bitAssets用途不应该只是交易BTS,它同样应该和主流币有通畅的交易通道,锚定良好的bitAssets更应该与USDT这样的主流稳定币有通畅的交易通道。

当然,设计经济模型,不应该只想到奖励做市商,也必须想到如何增加系统收入。

所以,最新版的方案里,要把bitCNY等四种bitAssets统统设置为交易费率0.1%,返佣20%,更好地为系统增收。
同时也要求参加挂单挖矿的网关资产上缴20%的交易费给系统,为系统增收。

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We use other mechanisms to encourage traders. Our model is Staking https://xbts.io/smart-holder . Staking Program on the XBTS exchange has been working for 2 years. Also, our traders earn cryptocurrency by participating in promotions, games and other activities. This attracts new users to the exchange and the entire ecosystem.

seems the volume is small yet?
kindly reminding: after the launch of BTS4.0, all the gateway assets need to share market fee to system, either participate the MM contest or not.

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General Discussion / Re: Market making contest (main thread)
« on: May 22, 2020, 03:11:03 am »
RuDEX will not participate in the next MM contest please exclude our platform from this list

I regret that RuDEX made such a decision, if the updated proposal get approved and be put into execution, welcome RuDEX to join at anytime.

another relevant thing is: in the updated proposal there's content that "Committee will set market fee to 0.1%, market fee sharing ratio to 20% for bitCNY, bitUSD, bitEUR and bitRUBLE."  hope this is fine to RuDEX and also the Russia community.

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That's what you say over last 2 years and more and more people are leaving because of these kind of ignorant actions.
Rudex now also left mm contest.

Keep ignoring we are already cmc rank 92.
Just a matter of time when bitshares will leave top 100 thanks to the ignorant trio

so what? Is MM contest that made BTS fall to 92?
every GATEWAY has freedom to do the choice.
This is the time that especially need actions to activate the trading, to attract more users. if we close MM contest at this time, it can only make BTS-DEX more desolate.

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Support,every exchange as a platform should support burning platform token and mining.

Thanks, Let's push BTS onto the right track.

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General Discussion / Re: ANN: HONEST Market Pegged Assets
« on: May 21, 2020, 03:12:13 am »
GDEX has whitelisted all HONEST MPAs.

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强制要求在4.0上线之前网关.主流币资产上缴部分交易费收入给理事会作为网关.主流币资产参与挂单挖矿的必要条件
网关上交部分交易费收入,涉及到怎么上缴,计算核实检查,上缴多少合适,人工操作过程复杂;
可以考虑让网关降低交易对的手续费,这里的交易对只涉及参与挂单挖矿的网关.主流币资产,规则设定参加挖矿的交易对市场手续费必须低于多少(比如0.05%)。网关让利,进一步降低了做市商的交易手续费,效果也是在奖励做市商,提高做市商的积极性。规则简单,其中不会到人工操作,实行起来简单。
不复杂,每天统计时统计出每种资产应该上缴多少费用,一定时间内交了就好,欠缴就不再奖励相应交易对。
要求网关交税是为了让刷量有成本,从而解决网关刷量的问题,降低交易费解决不了这个问题。

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This is a proposal which mainly focus on the update of the MM contest rules, however it is not only relevant to this, it try to build an economic model for BTS-DEX, to encourage users to contribute valuable transactions to the ecosystem, activate trading and promote the ecosystem value.

At the time that the MM contest paused, we observed that the BTS-DEX become more cold/desolate than the contest is active, it easy to understand, in any exchange in the world Market Making is a service that cannot be ignored, That’s why we try to optimize the MM contest rules and hope it can get enough support from the community.

The proposal will be discussed sufficiently and then be put into BSIP/BAIP poll voting, it will be executed if it is authorized by the voting.

On one hand, this proposal continuously enhance the platform token feature of BTS, enhance the contribution to system income from various assets, and the subsequent BTS buyback and burning.  On the other hand, this proposal will update the MM contest rules and rename it as “ordering mining” as one important part of the BTS-DEX economic model, BTS/bitAssets pairs group will be added in, reward on one pair will depend on the market fee income that was contributed from this pair to the system, the infrastructure will include several parameters which can be adjusted  to fit the business status, the gateway assets which are included in the ordering mining will be forced to pay part of the market fee to system before BTS 4.0 launching as a must for being listed in. All these update is to build a market-oriented selection and cultivation  mechanism, to make the competent pairs to stand out in a fair environment, and feed back to the system after growing up. The 3 trading pair groups just form a trading triangle, much trading chance will come out there if the market making really help.

Daily system income include all the BTS fees and the market fee share of the ordering mining listed gateway assets that were collected to committee-account, counted in BTS. All the funds that were used as rewards of for burning comes from committee-account, as current balance or future income.

#Ordering Mining
Ordering Mining involve 3 categories of assets which are BTS, bitAssets and Gateway assets.
bitAssets include bitCNY, bitUSD,bitEUR,bitRUBLE.
Gateway assets involve the according gateway assets of main crypto currencies include BTC, USDT, ETH and EOS, the organizer demand the gateway to guarantee the in time deposit and withdraw service with quick support while necessary, and provide the proof of real asset. Now the listed gateway asset include:

RUDEX.BTC https://audit.rudex.org/
GDEX.BTC https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets
XBTSX.BTC https://xbts.io/audit

GDEX.USDT https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets
RUDEX.USDT https://audit.rudex.org/
XBTSX.USDT https://xbts.io/audit

RUDEX.ETH https://audit.rudex.org/
GDEX.ETH https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets
XBTSX.ETH https://xbts.io/audit

RUDEX.EOS https://audit.rudex.org/
GDEX.EOS https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets

Ordering Mining is to encourage market making via reasonable reward, to form sufficient market depth to attract traders, so the principles for the rules are:
1.give incentive to ordering, to narrowing the gap between top buy/sell orders, to big fund participation, and try to form a long-term mechanism.
2.attendees need to operate with self owned funds and bear profits or loss,no matter how much funds are included.
2.1 the bigger the order volume, the higher the reward.
2.2the closer the order price to the top counter party order price, the higher the reward.
2.3 the longer the order stay there, the higher the reward.
3.each day the reward to each pair depend on the fees that were paid to committee-account from this pair, the fee include the marginal fee and force settlement fee of bitAssets.

Rules
*Each pair group have 3 parameters include Base Reward, Top Reward, and Buy-Sell Reward Ratio, each pair have parameters include Pair Top Reward, Fee Return Ratio, Gear Goal Depth, Minimum Effective Order Volume.

*Calculation of pair reward and adjustment
First, calculate out the reward for each pair based on the contributed fee and the Fee Return Ratio of that pair, compare it with Pair Top Reward and select the lower one as the reward of that day for that pair. in formula Reward to one pair in one day = min(Fee paid from this pair to committee-account*Pair Fee Return Ratio, Pair Top Reward)

*Calculation of pair group reward and adjustment
Sum up the pair reward in the pair group to get the pair group reward, if Top Reward>pair group reward>Base Reward, adopt the pair group reward directly, if pair group reward<Base Reward, adopt Base Reward as pair group reward, if pair group reward>Top Reward, adopt Top Reward as pair group reward.

*Distribution of pair reward
*only the order with volume >  Minimum Effective Order Volume will be put into the market depth and reward calculation

*calculate the depth based on the distance from current order to the closer effective order in counter order listing.
Distance = ABS(this order price-closer counter order price)/MAX(this order price, closer counter order price)
Ordering Gears and according Reward Ratio
*orders inside 1% distance will share maximum 53% reward
*orders inside 2% distance will share maximum 25% reward
*orders inside 3% distance will share maximum 12% reward
*orders inside 5% distance will share maximum 6% reward
*orders inside 7% distance will share maximum 3% reward
*orders inside 10% distance will share maximum 1% reward
 
*In each gear:
If the summed up depth does not reach the goal depth, reward = maximum reward share* real depth/goal depth.
If the summed up depth overcome the goal depth, reward =  maximum reward share


*Distribution inside gears:
calculate the weight based on the distance of the order price to the gear border price:
Weight Coefficient = 1 + (gear top border price -  order price)/(gear top border price - gear bottom border price)
The pair reward share to each gear will be distributed to orders based on Order Volume*Weight Coefficient inside each gear.

*Calculation and rewarding will be done each day with period from UTC0:00 to 24:00, proposals will be created to distribute the rewards.
*If BTS 4.0 is not launched yet when this Ordering Mining begin, gateway need to pay 20% of the market fee of the listed gateway assets to committee assigned account, the reward to pairs with the gateway asset will stop if more than 1K BTS fee are not paid.

Parameters and Initial Values

Minimum Pair Daily Volume: 5KBTS, pairs with volumes less than this value at the day will not be included in reward distribution.

1.BTS/gateway assets group, Base Reward 3KBTS, Top Reward 20KBTS, and Buy-Sell Reward Ratio 7:3, each pair inside have Pair Top Reward 2K BTS, Fee Return Ratio 40, Gear Goal Depth 200K BTS, Minimum Effective Order Volume 100BTS.

2.BTS/bitAssets group, Base Reward 3KBTS, Top Reward 20KBTS, and Buy-Sell Reward Ratio 10:0, each pair inside have Pair Top Reward 10K BTS, Fee Return Ratio 20, Gear Goal Depth 1M BTS, Minimum Effective Order Volume 100BTS.

Suggest committee to set market fee to 0.1%, market fee sharing ratio to 20% for bitCNY, bitUSD, bitEUR and bitRUBLE.

3.  Gateway assets/bitAssets group, Base Reward 3KBTS, Top Reward 20KBTS, and Buy-Sell Reward Ratio 5:5, each pair inside have Pair Top Reward 2K BTS, Fee Return Ratio 20, Gear Goal Depth 200K BTS, at calculation the depth will be converted to according gateway asset depth based on the MA24 price, and
bitAssets/BTC: Minimum Effective Order Volume 0.0002 BTC
bitAssets/USDT: Minimum Effective Order Volume 2 USDT
bitAssets/ETH: Minimum Effective Order Volume 0.01 ETH
bitAssets/EOS: Minimum Effective Order Volume 1 EOS

#BTS Buy back and Burning
Committee will be responsible for the BTS buy back with the non-BTS assets in system income.
A parameter Burn-Income Ratio is set, each day BTS with amount=(system income*Burn-Income Ratio)will be transferred to the specific burning account, and will be burned when the accumulated amount reach a certain value.

#Payment for Development and Daily Operation
Generally BTS with amount = reward*1% will be paid to daily operators, each day proposal will be created to transfer such amount of BTS to operator account. On the other hand, as the update need development, salary will be paid to the developers if the proposal be approved by voting, currently the estimated salary is about 150K BTS.

Chinese version can be found here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29665.msg342265;topicseen#msg342265

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再更新一版。

本方案旨在为BTS-DEX打造一个经济模型,激励用户为生态系统贡献有价值的操作,激活交易,提升生态价值,目前可分为挂单挖矿和销毁。
方案在经充分讨论后起草BSIP/BAIP并发起投票,根据投票结果决定是否方案是否执行。

本方案一方面继续强化BTS的平台币属性,进一步强化各类资产对系统收入的贡献,并利用收入来进行BTS回购以及销毁。另一方面对挂单挖矿进行改造,加入bitAssets/BTS交易对组,奖励与交易费贡献挂钩,参数化。并且强制要求在4.0上线之前网关.主流币资产上缴部分交易费收入给理事会作为网关.主流币资产参与挂单挖矿的必要条件。这些改造意在建立一个市场化的选择培育机制,在一个公平的环境下让那些有竞争力的交易对可以脱颖而出,并且使得成长起来的交易对能够真正回馈系统。三个交易对组形成交易三角,在做市给力的情况下会创造出大量交易机会,与交易费贡献挂钩使得此挂单挖矿方案自带维持最小交易量功能。

系统每日收入包括所有归集到理事会账户的BTS费用以及包含入方案中的网关资产贡献到理事会账户的手续费提成,统一以BTS计价。进行奖励和销毁的资金均来自理事会账户的现有资金和将来收入。

一.挂单挖矿

挂单挖矿涉及到的资产有BTS,bitAssets和网关资产三类。
bitAssets包括bitCNY, bitUSD,bitEUR,bitRUBLE。
网关资产取BTC,USDT,ETH,EOS四种交易量大,流动性好且与BTS关系密切的几种加密货币所对应的网关资产,对网关的两点基本要求是:保证充提,如果出现技术问题快速响应解决;以及提供资产证明,确认没有发假币。目前报名并有资产证明的网关资产有:
RUDEX.BTC https://audit.rudex.org/
GDEX.BTC https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets
XBTSX.BTC https://xbts.io/audit

GDEX.USDT https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets
RUDEX.USDT https://audit.rudex.org/
XBTSX.USDT https://xbts.io/audit

RUDEX.ETH https://audit.rudex.org/
GDEX.ETH https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets
XBTSX.ETH https://xbts.io/audit

RUDEX.EOS https://audit.rudex.org/
GDEX.EOS https://www.gdex.io/noticeAssets

挂单挖矿旨在通过合理的奖励来激励用户积极挂单,形成足够的市场深度,从而为交易创造条件,据此制定规则的基本原则为:

1. 鼓励挂单、鼓励缩小买卖盘口挂单差价、鼓励大资金参与、争取形成长效机制。
2. 参与者自筹做市资金,实盘操作,自负盈亏,资金量不限。
2.1 越大资金挂单,奖励越高;
2.2 价格离对面盘口越近,奖励越高;
2.3 挂单持续时间越长,奖励越高。
3.参加大赛的每个交易对每日产生的奖励和当日该交易对产生的付给理事会账户的交易费挂钩,交易费除普通市场交易费外,还包括bitAssets的爆仓费和强清费。

细则

*每个交易对组有基础奖励,封顶奖励,以及买卖盘奖励比3个参数。每个交易对有参数交易对封顶奖励,交易费返还比,每档目标深度,最小有效挂单等参数。

*交易对的奖励额计算及调整
计算时,先根据交易费返还比计算出每个交易对的奖励(如BTS/GDEX.BTC与BTS/RUDEX.BTC要分别计算),与交易对封顶奖励比较取低后作为该交易对当日的总奖励。某交易对当日总奖励=min(该交易对当日贡献给理事会账户交易费总额*交易费返还比,该交易对封顶奖励)。

*交易对组的奖励额计算及调整
根据交易对组内的每个交易对的总奖励计算出整个交易对组的奖励总额,如果封顶奖励>奖励总额>基础奖励,直接按计算结果奖励,如果奖励总额<基础奖励,则将交易对当日总奖励乘以(基础奖励/奖励总额),如果奖励总额>封顶奖励,则将交易对当日总奖励乘以(封顶奖励/奖励总额)。

*交易对当日总奖励的分配
*单笔金额不小于最小有效金额的挂单视为有效挂单,低于最小有效金额的挂单不参与深度计算、奖励计算

* 按照当前挂单到对方盘面最近的“有效挂单”的距离,计算深度。
  距离 = 【绝对值(本单价格 - 对方挂单价)】/ 【最大值(对方挂单价格,本单价格)】
  挂单深度分档 / 基准奖励比例
  * 距离 1% 及以内的挂单分享最多 53% 的奖励
  * 距离 2% 及以内的挂单分享最多 25% 的奖励
  * 距离 3% 及以内的挂单分享最多 12% 的奖励
  * 距离 5% 及以内的挂单分享最多 6% 的奖励
  * 距离 7% 及以内的挂单分享最多 3% 的奖励
  * 距离 10% 及以内的挂单分享最多 1% 的奖励

* 每一档内,
  如果合计深度达不到目标深度,奖励额 = 基准奖励 * 实际深度 / 目标深度
  (也就是说,如果深度不足,奖励按比例减少)
  如果合计深度达到目标深度,奖励额 = 基准奖励(也就是说封顶,超过不多奖)

* 档内奖励分配
  每档内部挂单,按挂单价格离档位边界的距离计算权重,
  权重系数 = 1 + (档位上边界 - 挂单价格)/(档位上边界 - 档位下边界)
  各挂单按(挂单金额*权重系数)汇总,加权平均,对该交易对总奖励进行分配。

* 每天统计发奖。统计周期为格林尼治时间 0 点到 24 点(北京时间8点到次日8点)。统计后创建提案将每个账户应得的奖励转账至改账户。
*如果本方案实施时4.0还未上线,则加入挂单挖矿的网关.主流币需要将市场交易费收入的20%上缴至理事会指定账户,如欠缴费用超过1KBTS,则停止对该资产所在交易对的奖励。

参数及初始值

交易对最小日交易量:5000BTS,当日交易量达不到此数值的交易对将不统计发放奖励。

1.BTS/主流币组,  日基础奖励3000BTS,日封顶奖励2万BTS,买卖盘奖励比例7:3,其中单个交易对日封顶奖励2000BTS。每档目标深度20万BTS,交易费返还比40,最小有效挂单100BTS。

2.BTS/bitAssets 组,日基础奖励3000BTS, 日封顶奖励2万,买卖盘奖励比例10:0,(强清单不计入买盘)其中单个交易对日封顶奖励10000BTS,交易费返还比20,每档目标深度100万BTS,最小有效挂单100BTS。

主流币包括申请并经审核通过的网关发行的BTC,ETH,USDT和EOS,bitAssets包括bitCNY,bitUSD,bitEUR和bitRUBLE。

另外,建议理事会把bitCNY,bitUSD,bitEUR,bitRUBLE统一调整为市场手续费0.1%,推荐奖励20%。

3.主流币/bitAssets组,日基础奖励3000BTS, 日封顶奖励2万,买卖盘奖励比例5:5,其中单个交易对交易费返还比20,日封顶奖励2000BTS,每档目标深度为20万BTS,每日统计时根据当日24小时均价换算为对应的主流币深度,另外
bitAssets/BTC: 最小有效单 0.0002 BTC
bitAssets/USDT: 最小有效单 2 USDT
bitAssets/ETH: 最小有效单 0.01 ETH
bitAssets/EOS: 最小有效单 1 EOS

这里同组的交易对之间都是竞争关系,不只是不同网关间,同网关的不同币种间也是竞争关系,此消彼长,交易费返还比=20,日封顶奖励=2000,每档目标深度=20万这几个参数决定了日交易量要达到10万BTS才会触及封顶奖励。

之后根据情况,对交易量大的交易对可以同比提高每档目标深度和日封顶奖励。

三个交易对组的交易费返还比分别设为20,40和20是因为考虑到各自不同的费率结构,BTS交易费是按资产定义的,BTS不收费,bitAssets为0.1%*(1-推荐奖励),主流币为费率*税率。bitAssets/BTS组上交的交易费占交易量的比例是主流币/BTS的2-4倍。因此对后者设置了较大的交易费返还比,以免造成差距过大。

对于USDT/bitAssets交易对,由于此次对bitAssets/主流币的奖励计算方式进行了改革,之后此交易对的收益也将不依赖与BTS价格,而是和其它组一样,鉴于稳定币交易对的挂单挖矿风险远小于其它交易对,足以保证USDT/bitAssets交易对的收益。

二.回购与销毁
理事会负责使用系统收入里的非BTS资产进行BTS回购。
设全局参数销毁收入比,每日统计发奖时同时创建提案将数量为(奖励总额*销毁奖励比)的BTS转入销毁账户,积累到一定数量后由理事会销毁。
初始销毁收入比设为0.5。

三.开发与日常运营费用
原则上取每日奖励额的1%为每日执行发奖的人员的工资,每日发奖时同时创建提案将数量为奖励总额*1%的BTS转入维护者账户。另外,由于改进需要开发,当方案通过后将根据开发工作量的评估结果为开发人员支付工资,目前评估的资金需求量为大约15万BTS。

英文版见此:https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=32373.0

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