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General Discussion / begin working on bond market?
« on: March 08, 2017, 05:30:36 am »
I submitted a story at https://steemit.com/bitshares/@bitcrab/fork-bitshares , generally speaking it is about how can bitshares make big advance, thanks to the reply from @xeroc, I now feel the community have big consensus on 2 new features - bond market and conditional payment(in other words escrow service).

if you search "bond market" you can find tons of discussions in the forum, most people believe that bond market is a killer app that can bring huge smartcoin liquidity.

in Bitshares roadmap  2017, "bond market" is listed but with the status "not started",   we have talked too much on this new featue and now it's time to begin working on it, and in my view this is a priority 1 task.

as @xeroc told, "A bond market could be huge, all we need is funding and a development team to get this started. It's not like there isn't enough work, it's the funding that is needed and a lot of people are working on this behind the scenes."

so I wonder how much will such a new feature cost? and if the fund can be collected by worker can we start to organize the development team and work for it in short time?

I believe this will be supported by the community, including the China community.

 

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General Discussion / Re: top 100 BTS traders in DEX
« on: March 08, 2017, 04:35:21 am »
you can remove transres and alpha-go from the list, as they just do internal tradings...

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General Discussion / Re: how about to raise block reward?
« on: March 06, 2017, 07:54:28 am »
@ElMato can you check? it seems your feeding price in bitCNY is much higher than the real market price.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 机器人的新使命
« on: February 25, 2017, 09:51:11 am »
Quote from: bitcrab on February 25, 2017, 06:36:04 am
Quote from: alt on February 25, 2017, 05:23:32 am
一直不敢做外盘机器人
1是外盘程序自动提现充值怕出错，怕耗时太久
2是怕外盘api数据不准确，比如云币获取订单api会返回错误数据，p网也经常看到他们的页面订单错乱，买单价格比卖价高。
3是怕像比特时代那样的，私自挪用用户资金交易，最后只能自认倒霉。

提现充值还是不要程序自动了，反正我是不敢。
P网的api好像还好吧。
难道现在DEX的api是宇宙中最好用的？ :)

不自动转账，两边做对冲，需要的时候手动转账。
外盘API的问题应该可以通过程序判断尽量降低或消除其危害。
选择靠谱的交易所，限制使用的资金数额，风险应该是可控的。
总之，这事值得做，应该做。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 机器人的新使命
« on: February 25, 2017, 06:36:04 am »
Quote from: alt on February 25, 2017, 05:23:32 am
一直不敢做外盘机器人
1是外盘程序自动提现充值怕出错，怕耗时太久
2是怕外盘api数据不准确，比如云币获取订单api会返回错误数据，p网也经常看到他们的页面订单错乱，买单价格比卖价高。
3是怕像比特时代那样的，私自挪用用户资金交易，最后只能自认倒霉。

提现充值还是不要程序自动了，反正我是不敢。
P网的api好像还好吧。
难道现在DEX的api是宇宙中最好用的？ :)

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中文 (Chinese) / 机器人的新使命
« on: February 25, 2017, 04:46:20 am »
只在内盘利用各种差价赚钱是远远不够的，机器人应该尝试连接内盘和外盘+果盘，在引流方面发挥更大的作用。

老外们很愿意用USDT来1:1地换取bitUSD, 这就是说，p网和内盘已经是可以互相对冲的市场了，用机器人在p网的BTC/USDT交易对和内盘的BTC/bitUSD交易对之间对冲/搬砖应该是挺有前途的一件事。

另一方面，在315果盘提现解禁之后，在果盘BTC/CNY和内盘BTC/bitCNY交易对之间做对冲+搬砖也会大有可为。

如果这些量能够做起来，那么bitUSD/bitCNY交易对也会自然而然地活跃起来。

撸袖子干吧。





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General Discussion / Re: conditional payment feature?
« on: February 21, 2017, 03:38:57 pm »
Quote from: xeroc on February 21, 2017, 12:31:48 pm
Quote from: fav on February 21, 2017, 08:19:19 am
agreed, escrow should be implemented asap, not sure how much work that would be.
You could do that today using a 2-of-3 account .. ideally a service would offer this for a profit and recycle old used and completed escrow accounts instead of registering a new one

yes, currently it is possible to do that using a 2-of-3 account, however this need to create a 2-of-3 account for each buyer-seller-escrow group, we need much better user experience.

and we need to develop that asap, with this feature, BTS will be an global off-site BTC market...so attractive!

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General Discussion / Re: more professional price feed?
« on: February 21, 2017, 03:31:59 am »


just now two feed price come: 0.0264CNY/BTS and 0.267CNY/BTS

however, now in yunbi and btc38, the price is above 0.277CNY

and in polo, BTS price is 0.00000364BTC and BTC price is 1084USDT.

now BTC price in CNY is about 7554(yunbi price), USD/CNY  market rate should be about 6.98, based on these the calculated BTS/CNY price is above 0.0274.

so I can say ATM 0.0267 or 0.0264 is far from a correct market BTS price.

I feel the problem may come from polo price, as it need BTC/CNY or USD/CNY rate to convert the price to BTS/CNY price, but now maybe the real BTC price in CNY is not got, or a real USD/CNY market price is not got.

hope @abit and @rnglab and explain how the price is generated then we can discuss further.

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General Discussion / Re: conditional payment feature?
« on: February 20, 2017, 12:31:53 pm »
Quote from: Thom on February 15, 2017, 03:16:46 pm
This is a typical escrow service, which I thought was built into BitShares 2.0 now. Escrow always requires trust in a 3rd party (the escrow agent) which may not be acceptable to some. Companies such as transwiser would be ideal candidates to serve as that trusted 3rd party for those in the east.

I'm fuzzy on the details, but IIRC an escrow type service could be setup by transwiser for each escrow transaction. Once deposit into that account is made in full transwiser changes permission to lock out access until depositor signals the recipient has completed the agreed contract, then transwiser opens permissions to recipient to transfer funds.

It's not ideal, and may in fact not even be feasible due to overhead, time etc.

I don't know if there are other solutions for escrow services or not. I believe the ability to setup "supervisor" accounts or accounts with hierarchical permissions were implemented as a "corporate" feature, not an escrow facility.

This is an area we need documentation to describe, if it hasn't been.

I feel there are some misunderstanding, in my imagination,  in most of the cases escrow is just "included" as a standby judge for  possible dispute, in more than 95% of the trades there will be no dispute and the escrow need to do nothing, only when dispute happen, the trading parties will be called to judge the dispute.

I feel BTS can go into off-site BTC trading business by providing this "conditional payment" feature, yes this is just a feature and the escrow inside provide service and escrows will charge service fee when they are called to judge.

   

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] Advertisement at 8btc
« on: February 20, 2017, 04:02:29 am »
updated to @Yao's new design and the link changed to https://bitshares.org/wallet/?r=bitcrab&source=8btc#/  hope this is better.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 交易App想法及原型
« on: February 18, 2017, 03:55:42 am »
有人在弄吧，Necklace不在做嘛

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 交易App想法及原型
« on: February 18, 2017, 03:52:08 am »
OpenLedger貌似在做这个：




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General Discussion / Re: Liquidity, Liquidity, Liquidity
« on: February 16, 2017, 04:04:48 pm »
I get some idea, I will try to make below markets:

bitUSD:BTC
bitCNY:BTC
bitUSD:USDT
bitCNY:bitUSD

if these markets become prosperous, then DEX can be a hub to link China BTC traders and the exchanges outside China, and even CNY and USD markets.

maybe bots need to run not only inside DEX, but also with exchanges like polo, bitfinex, yunbi...?

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General Discussion / conditional payment feature?
« on: February 15, 2017, 09:50:32 am »
in China exchanges, BTC  withdrawl are banned for 1 month until the AML measurements are ready, so now many BTC traders go for outside dealings.

DEX is good as people can deposit CNY  inside and then buy BTC from OpenLedger, which is outside of China goverment's control area. however, now the step of "deposit CNY" highly depend on transwiser, if one day the volume become too big to ignore, it's also possible that the China government to ban the business of transwiser.

maybe we can get help from "P2P gateway", however, to make "P2P gateway" feasible, I feel we need a new feature that can be called "conditional payment".

A want to buy100 bitCNY by paying 100 fiat CNY, so he contact B and they agree to make the deal, then B create a "conditional payment" to A for 100 bitCNY, ATM the 100 bitCNY is locked there, when B get 100 fiat CNY payment from A, then he confirm the "conditional payment" and A get the 100 bitCNY。

a "expiration time" can be set that if B neither confirm nor do anything else then after the expiration time the 100 bitCNY will automatically reach A's account.

if something happen that A and B need to cancel the deal then B can request "refund" and get the 100 bitCNY back if A confirm the refund.

if dispute happen, then an escrow, which is defined when the payment is created, will be introduced to decide how to distribute the locked fund.

this "conditional payment"  is useful not only for BTC outside dealing, but also for scenarios like trading goods, international outsourcing, etc,.

possible to introduce this new feature? any thoughts?

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General Discussion / Re: Liquidity, Liquidity, Liquidity
« on: February 15, 2017, 09:22:41 am »
Quote from: 天籁 on February 15, 2017, 08:39:48 am
Quote from: bitcrab on February 15, 2017, 07:16:13 am
hope more USDT liquidity can be provided, in the next month Bitcoin buyers cannot withdraw BTC from China exchanges, it's a good time for BTSers to borrow bitUSD and buy BTC from polo or bfx, however a bridge that connect USDT and bitUSD is needed.

I myself need to buy a little big quantity of USDT at 1bitUSD, hope someone can sell...
There are 5000+ open.USD at 1bitUSD for sell.

I need USDT, not OPEN.USD, as I cannot withdraw the latter to other exchanges.

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