Quote from: donkeypong on November 30, 2014, 04:06:58 pm

Quote from: ticklebiscuit on November 30, 2014, 03:57:24 pm

Quote from: Rune on November 30, 2014, 12:04:41 pm

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Do we know this for a fact, or is it speculation?

2 months ago we were complaining that every thought of BM and others were instantly posted here.
Now they keep a radio silence on the marketing campaign.
Everyone would really like to know what is planned, but if it gives the competition a chance to run with it, please don't even give us a glimpse.

I think Brian's hands are tied at the moment, the planned marketing campaign, will probably need some of the new features. On/off ramps etc...

So before we start asking for Brians head, let's just wait a bit longer and see what they have planned for us.

The marketing has ALWAYS been radio silent, it's not something new. The only evidence we have of work Brian has done so far is the botched website, which weeks later still says "why bank when you can bitshare" and has a stock photo of a life buoy on the front page (it's a wordpress theme so anyone could fix that in less than 10 minutes).

I have simply not seen any evidence that Brian is worth the AGS funds we've paid him (and that we inflated BTS 25% to get control of). I form my opinions only based on evidence, so all the "be patient" doesn't work on me at all. I realize BTS will be extremely successful no matter what, but that doesn't make it any less unfair that someone should get a huge stake for nothing, and the fact that brian isn't even defending himself here is seriously annoying me.

The truth is that if there actually was some big push planned by him we would have already known details of it. People have been complaining about marketing for months, and he would have gone public with parts of his plans long ago, to protect his own interests and secure his bonus. The only scenario where it makes sense for him to keep everything silent is if he has got nothing. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt (and I already have), but this is the only logical conclusion I arrive at from the evidence we have seen.

If we're lucky he has actually been hiding a plan from us this entire time. In that case now is the time for us to force him to reveal it.

This is 100% right.  Our community has given him many good reasons to be upfront with them about what he is doing.  He has a forum to frequent and even other places like mumble sessions / google hangouts that would create content, show he is active in the community, and also provide outreach for recruitment.

You dont have to market the product during the marketing Buzz phase.  You market the product when you are ready, but that doesnt mean the public shouldnt know about the philosophy.  I heard from somewhere here he has 5 million shares. Another post said 15million. I wonder what is true.

The marketing will be worth every penny. They just need a product first!

Interestingly, that is exactly what was said in May/June/July before BitShares was first released.

There are projects that are doing very well marketing themselves with nothing but a whitepaper.  Why is bitshares so constrained when others are not? 

I understand playing it safe and not giving specifics about a product that isnt yet done, but that doesn't mean the public should not be drawn into content that gets them hungry for details.  Our community has more than just a product.  We have many awesome things going on here and a founding philosophy that is well established internally. These are points ready to be marketed. Saying otherwise is wrong.

For instance, we cant market the difference between the sharedropping model over the models employed by bitcoin and literally all other competitors? That is a huge selling point being completely ignored...

We should have at least 2-3 videos traveling around teaching people that they should be buying bts/pts instead of bitcoin.  Why would they want to do that? Because it is the first innovation that protects token holders and gives them a stake without any of the risk that is required to get a stake in new projects in other competitors markets.

There is so much else to market that this seems more an excuse.

Quote from: alphaBar on November 30, 2014, 08:48:11 am

The billion units was primarily to help in marketing. It gives us a nice round number to start with for supply (vs. 1,783,034) and it creates the perception of value (eg, feels better to tip 100PTS than 0.1PTS). Perception drives reality.

I agree this is an unnecessary and distracting change. Changing the number of units again feels like a new project, rather than an upgrade. Maybe a 1.8 mil hardcap, with the the last 40,000 set aside for transaction subsidies.

If i want to invest in berkshire hathaway and they change their number of shares to 1 billion it makes their shares look less prestigious so i dont like this.  I want pts to be prestigious investment vehicles-not just some random blank currency based off vanilla dpos.  If you are going to sell ice cream at least label it premium and slightly more diffocult to get or else you are just selling icecream like all the rest.  Please dont needlessly mess with supply.

Sending pts should feel lkke sending flakes of gold, not bags of copper.

It would be a lot cheaper to simply buy it from him.

How much would that cost? And how much would sueing bis ass for it be?

where is BTSTV's asshole delegate for bitshares.com rental thread?

Cant find it. Did the leech delete it?

Quote from: islandking on November 19, 2014, 03:15:27 pm

This is dumb. I would never trust snapchat with my debit card/bank info since they got hacked a few times and have poor security.

I would never trust snapchat either, however, you're not the market we're hopefully targeting.

Exactly.  People always forget that for some reason.

litecoin and dogecoin (merge-mined) are the perfect target. I agree there is a way to do this and a way not to. Attacking bitcoin is likely to do a great deal of damage to us.  If bitcoin is attacked in this way, we should openly distance ourselves from it.  Very very dangerous.  What is runes real life name? So we know who killed bitshares if this attack is attempted against the wrong target.

Wow! Amazing!  Crypsty ftw! Making their customers withdraw funds to get sharedropped! 

I guess you baahaahhh baahhhh...srry forgot what i was saying.  Isnt there another exchange for rpc?? I dont want to go to that shit hole.