Quote from: ticklebiscuit on November 16, 2014, 08:25:32 pm

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Quote from: sumantso on November 15, 2014, 07:36:12 pm

Regardless of whether its 'fair' I hope there is no change now. For once I would like to see something NOT change. We seem to have taken the 'reimagine everything' motto a bit too literally.

That's an interesting argument. Let's not concern ourselves with what is fair. I for one will not be participating in another round of "Angel" investing coming from PLAY, if it ever needs one.

How can one unfairly give something away? We aren't entitled to anything.

If this sort of angry haggling is what any dev that wants to share drop to the community faces they likely won't. If I had a good idea for a DAC I'd do the 10% pts, maybe 10% AGS and spend the rest on dev and marketing talent.

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Angelshares were used as a grant for funding the PLAY dac. There are millions of dollars that were donated at a very real risk to fund development. That kind of support should be valued just as highly as the network effect of BTS holders. BTS holders should not be getting 3 times the allocation in my opinion. The Pre Feb28 windfall was a huge gift. Why are the same people getting a larger share this time? It makes no sense! Not because of a contracted obligation but because this community should recognize those that gifted thousands of BTC to make PLAY possible. What part of that is so difficult to understand? If fairness doesn't interest you how about the basic principle of reciprocity?

The only argument I hear in opposition is once again to stop nagging and just be quiet. Which is an interesting argument. One that I will weigh when considering future support of this community.

What has the PTS/AGS community done that makes them deserve stake forever?  If they want to get sharedropped more, they need to unite and show why the PTS/AGS model deserves to remain.  Other than, of course, saying they made it possible.  Everyone else made it possible too by buying in. 

If you want sharedrops, work together as PTS/AGS and provide value above and beyond what everyone else does.  Work as a unit.  You have all had plenty of time to utilize each others skills to create something that would be truly EPIC and historically precedent-setting.  Something worthy of being sharedropped on for all eternity.

What have you done bit expect it without really showing you can create this precedent? Invictus has more than honored their end considering they are no longer invictus.  They have given you all more than 10% in every DAC they have made.

Now it is time to work for the respect of 3rd party devs.

Think of pts not as a coin but a simple share drop target people can buy and sell.

If someone thinks BTS is all that and a bag of chips? Great, balance your desire for a piece of future DACs with your belief in an existing one.

I always viewed PTS as a token that pays a dividend in the form of share drops. The devs in return get a community of folks chomping at the bit to test, discuss, host, evangelize, and generally do what everyone is doing now for BTS.

It was never about payback or respect for founders, etc. It is just a unique type of token that served a specific purpose. If a dev thought they had a killer idea they could buy cheap PTS and then promote their idea to build interest in a share drop and increase the price of PTS as people evaluated the DAC.

Or we can keep putting devs through the grinder while they negotiate percentages for weeks rather than working on the DAC.

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The snapshot must be post November 5th, and post return of PTS from AGS fund...



Will people soon be dumping them?
I'd like to see people keep them.
I did buy some yesterday though!...

Jae, I'm right there with you. Not a single thing you've said in this thread is wrong. There are plenty of racists who hate Obama (that has been proven actually). The country is better off now than it was in 2008 (much higher employment for one thing). A certain TV network lies. And Ted Cruz is a moron. Check, check, check, check.

Yet I also agree with the other posters that there is more going on. Neither Obama nor Cruz nor their parties are truly addressing the problems we need to have fixed.

In the end, the party labels and the regular pendulum swing between them in these elections is doing little to address the fact that we are using our planet's resources at a voraciously unsustainable pace and polluting much faster than the planet's ability to heal, that kids are being treated with drugs instead of nourished, while their schools cannot afford pencils, that the economy is run by big banks, agriculture is run by chemical companies, the middle class and upward mobility have nearly disappeared, and meanwhile we are spending trillions of dollars we don't have to prop up a house of cards...those are the things that Obama and Cruz don't even talk about. Because they understand it is the big financial elites that run the world. Presidents, Senators, and governments just work for them.

Quote from: ticklebiscuit on November 10, 2014, 03:32:09 pm

Quote from: Ben Mason on November 10, 2014, 03:29:34 pm

No public tip of the hat and the cold shoulder.....bizzare.

People still don't get how competition in this market works.

Heh?

no acknowledgement for using Bitshares tech and underappreciation for all the people who would have been incentivized to make their project a success...