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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: April 10, 2019, 01:58:22 pm »@matle85 has created a transfer proposal for the smartcoin-marketing account which asks for ~800k of funding separated into listing fee and bounty for LATOKEN.
Re-reading the opening post, I believe it is too vague procedure wise. For instance, the bounty should be paid out separate from the listing fee (IMHO).
Additionally, I don't think we, as a community, are in a position where we can demand *more quality* exchanges to list BTS .. and *in particular* bitCNY and in
case of LATOKEN, i think the cost/benefit ratio is justify-able.
Hence, I will approve the proposal "1.10.26875"
This!
I hope the lobbyist will take the responsibility to connect with the exchange for all following matters, like software update, bug reporting, etc..
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General Discussion / Re: Core Team Recommendations for HTLC Parameters
« on: April 03, 2019, 06:09:02 pm »
I like all of those default values as I don't have better proof to change.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: April 03, 2019, 03:57:28 pm »If the main controversy is when to pay the bounty, and it is understandable that CEX must get money first and then start the technical work for listing, I would suggest that the lobbyist take the risk, that is, if smartcoin get delisted within 60 days, lobbyist has to pay back all the funds.7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)
I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.
@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?
Please clarify. It seems that the rules of the worker have changed (through an agreement of the proposal creator and escrow), and I would kindly ask you to restate the what rules have been re-redefined and what the new rules are such that anyone can participate.
Also, according to the original post,
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Bitshares Committee will take the responsibility to verify the work of lobbyist and decide the distribution of reward.
it's clear that committee take root responsibility to verify the whole process, including the quality of exchange, cost of listing fee, etc.. so I would also suggest that all lobbyist talk with committee members directly(All of them have telegram accounts).
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 28, 2019, 05:56:55 pm »
I regret wasting my time replying you because you are repeating fabricated facts and meaningless words. So I hope this is the last reply to you.
Ridiculous, you are commenting always according to your guess or imagination instead of facts. I've never said rightBTC meet the criteria, instead, I have clearly stated rightBTC was not our choice, but you are still attacking this point? Because you have no other words?
I have no intention to gain the bounty, I am more interested in making bitCNY listed on CEX, as the bounty didn't go to my pocket, it went to a group of people who contributed, also a big part is going to be used for marketing and trading competition.
Liar. Why don't you just show the proof of your "big part" ? I am looking forward to seeing how big it was. Now let me show you some proof.
Just like getting BTS listed on biki.com, getting BTS on binance and huobi were also team work and there are two private wechat groups that consist of the main contributors for BTS listed in Huobi, one is call huobi&BTS, the other one is called huobi us & BTS, A few community members inclduing bitcrab, abit, me, Ryan, zicen are all in it, but unfortunately no one inside is called Thul3.
Now I am 100% percent sure that you lack logical thinking that a normal discussion requires. You attacked me in the previous post that I didn't contribute anything for BTS listing on top exchange, and I mentioned binance and huobi without saying I was the main contributor. Technically, you have to prove that I didn't participate any, instead of faking the facts that you were a big part. BTW, Li has the final say of coin listing on huobi, if we name the second, it could be Wong, Qin or Tang, but never nobody Chen. I don't even know there is a guy call Chen in Huobi's management team. And I confirmed that from global CEO of huobi personally face to face. Maybe you only talked with their custom service and you think that is a big part contribution?
Wait until 8 cents? why don't you just wait until 80 cents then the bounty is enough for 10 decent exchanges? You know what was the listing fee when BTS was 80 cents? Nonsense.
Repeating fabricated facts again. You judge a Chinese/East Asia exchange based their telegram group? If I judge poloniex or bittrex through wechat groups, they are shit exchange too. biki have tens of wechat group. Biki has office in Beijing and Singapore. There are more than 50 employees. The main investor of biki is Du Jun, who was the cofounder of huobi and now the boss of jinse.com, biggest crypto media in China, and boss of Node capital, which is one of the most famous token fund in China. You don't know it doesn't mean it is unknown, ask from your Chinese friend, if you have any, don't live in fantasy.
You are so narrow minded that I start to feel ashamed wasting time on you.
My work is done for helping bitCNY get listed on CEX, the first one is always the most difficult one. However, I will encourage others to make bitCNY get listed on more top 40 exchanges, aka "Thul3 branded shit exchange ". So, keep barking and enjoy！
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Proofing that biki has lower than majority of exchanges liquidity and real volume would be easy as hell.You have a chance to prove that I am wrong through data instead of fabricated facts and now you say you don't want to waste time even though it is easy as hell? then why do you have time spamming this post with meaningless replies?
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Faked rankings are not according to the criteria.If so we would approve RightBTC ,LAToken and any other shit exchange on top 50 CMC.
BTS is listed on RightBTC which is a top 50 CMC exchange.You know the volume of BTS there? ITS ZERO.
According to you such an exchange would pass the criteria.I guess only your own personal criteria to gain the bounty.
Ridiculous, you are commenting always according to your guess or imagination instead of facts. I've never said rightBTC meet the criteria, instead, I have clearly stated rightBTC was not our choice, but you are still attacking this point? Because you have no other words?
I have no intention to gain the bounty, I am more interested in making bitCNY listed on CEX, as the bounty didn't go to my pocket, it went to a group of people who contributed, also a big part is going to be used for marketing and trading competition.
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You wanna bet your bounty that i was a big part why Huobi implemented BTS and not your effort ?Which effort are you even talking about.Huobi listed BTS because of another coin.
I at least can document it how about you ?But maybe you wanna call Chen from Huobi and talk with him directly ?
Liar. Why don't you just show the proof of your "big part" ? I am looking forward to seeing how big it was. Now let me show you some proof.
Just like getting BTS listed on biki.com, getting BTS on binance and huobi were also team work and there are two private wechat groups that consist of the main contributors for BTS listed in Huobi, one is call huobi&BTS, the other one is called huobi us & BTS, A few community members inclduing bitcrab, abit, me, Ryan, zicen are all in it, but unfortunately no one inside is called Thul3.
Now I am 100% percent sure that you lack logical thinking that a normal discussion requires. You attacked me in the previous post that I didn't contribute anything for BTS listing on top exchange, and I mentioned binance and huobi without saying I was the main contributor. Technically, you have to prove that I didn't participate any, instead of faking the facts that you were a big part. BTW, Li has the final say of coin listing on huobi, if we name the second, it could be Wong, Qin or Tang, but never nobody Chen. I don't even know there is a guy call Chen in Huobi's management team. And I confirmed that from global CEO of huobi personally face to face. Maybe you only talked with their custom service and you think that is a big part contribution?
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Because i know the price and waited till BTS reaches 8 cents to be able to pay for real liquidity instead of wasting BTS for nothing.
Wait until 8 cents? why don't you just wait until 80 cents then the bounty is enough for 10 decent exchanges? You know what was the listing fee when BTS was 80 cents? Nonsense.
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Biki is diffrent because each second comment on telegram is a scam accusation and hiding all info for a company which is based in singapore which has MAS and regulations is a red flag since its a totaly unknown exchange.
Repeating fabricated facts again. You judge a Chinese/East Asia exchange based their telegram group? If I judge poloniex or bittrex through wechat groups, they are shit exchange too. biki have tens of wechat group. Biki has office in Beijing and Singapore. There are more than 50 employees. The main investor of biki is Du Jun, who was the cofounder of huobi and now the boss of jinse.com, biggest crypto media in China, and boss of Node capital, which is one of the most famous token fund in China. You don't know it doesn't mean it is unknown, ask from your Chinese friend, if you have any, don't live in fantasy.
You are so narrow minded that I start to feel ashamed wasting time on you.
My work is done for helping bitCNY get listed on CEX, the first one is always the most difficult one. However, I will encourage others to make bitCNY get listed on more top 40 exchanges, aka "Thul3 branded shit exchange ". So, keep barking and enjoy！
QuoteI've never argued that, therefore, if you want to prove I am wrong, you should prove that 40 other exchanges have bigger volume than biki.com, instead of spamming this post with transaction history of biki. I hope your education allows you to understand the logic here. If not, I'll explain it again.
Proofing that biki has lower than majority of exchanges liquidity and real volume would be easy as hell.The question is why wasting now time for it where you already took the funds in a night and fog action.Many people here are disappointed and are well aware what kind of action this was.QuoteAccording to feixiaohao.com, biki.com ranks 15 in terms of volume, ranks 30 in terms of star rating(same as coinbebe,kkcoin,yobit, higher than IDCM, lbank), ranks 32 in terms of followers. It meets the "top 40 exchange criteria" in all aspects.
Faked rankings are not according to the criteria.If so we would approve RightBTC ,LAToken and any other shit exchange on top 50 CMC.
BTS is listed on RightBTC which is a top 50 CMC exchange.You know the volume of BTS there? ITS ZERO.
According to you such an exchange would pass the criteria.I guess only your own personal criteria to gain the bounty.QuoteDestroy the name of bitCNY? Are you kidding me or are you mad? all shit exchanges have BTC, does it destroy the name of bitcoin?Did the shit exchanges get $25k to add bitcoin or did they add BTC to gain own members for free ?QuoteDefine real liquidity first. If 250k is not enough, we could increase it to 2.5M, only if it worth it, it's up to the community to decide, anyone can propose an independent work to fulfill that target. But please do it, talk it cheap.This worker was about real liquidity and not your 2 months old fake shit just to gain the bounty.
You will give the bounty back if after 3 months there will be no real bitcny trading volume ?QuoteBinance and huobi listed BTS due to our effort, not your barking, thanks.You wanna bet your bounty that i was a big part why Huobi implemented BTS and not your effort ?Which effort are you even talking about.Huobi listed BTS because of another coin.
I at least can document it how about you ?But maybe you wanna call Chen from Huobi and talk with him directly ?QuoteWhy don't you do that? Because you are a criticizer-plus-non-deliver? I'll support it if someone makes deal with hitbtc, though personally I don't like this exchange.Because i know the price and waited till BTS reaches 8 cents to be able to pay for real liquidity instead of wasting BTS for nothing.Delivering horseshit isn't difficult.Matle85 already showed how many shit exchanges anybody can instantly deliver which are top 50 CMC.
Also you as committee member should uphold the procedures of workers however you clearly have a problem with it as you again broke them.Quoteoff topic, no response. You may start a new topic to attack me on this. It was a failure experiment with good intention, the result is that BitShares is more healthy.Breaking procedures as commitee is not offtopic.
Who exectly signed the proposal to send you funds and skip the procedures which were clearly stated in the worker ?
You say loosing a lot of members because of the global settlement on bitusd and heavy losses on bitcny resulted into a more heatlhy bitshares?
I guess we have diffrent opinions on that.QuoteI don't get why this question is so important to you that you have to make the font bold. Isn't that normal that crypto trading platform hide their private info from public?No normaly you can find any decent exchanges adress or company info.Binance is diffrent but still you can find its adress on the internet since everyone knows its located in Malta and a real company.
Biki is diffrent because each second comment on telegram is a scam accusation and hiding all info for a company which is based in singapore which has MAS and regulations is a red flag since its a totaly unknown exchange.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 26, 2019, 03:21:30 pm »Quote
Start proper marketing instead overpaying exchange listing.Hey thul3, I have repeated a few times that you have to consider price and quality altogether, biki.com is not a top exchange, but it's good choice to start with. NO ONE stopped you from contacting top exchange, just go for it and start your show, I'll appreciate anything you DO for the community, talk is cheap. But let me tell you, I have reached most of them, they would like to see bitCNY on some smaller exchanges first, and then reconsider it. BTW, the listing fee of biki is lower than all exchanges that matle85 mentioned, so I don't think it's overpaid.
If you think only top exchanges meet your spec, you should reject the worker at day one, not now. Since the worker proposal was approved, that means the community agree that top 40 exchanges are qualified. Also, everyone knows that fake volume exists in most of the exchanges, I've never argued that, therefore, if you want to prove I am wrong, you should prove that 40 other exchanges have bigger volume than biki.com, instead of spamming this post with transaction history of biki. I hope your education allows you to understand the logic here. If not, I'll explain it again.
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You posted you spent 2 weeks on researching on biki.And you were unable to see the 99.5% fake volume ?Or the low customer rating ?
Or the bought traffic to their website?You missed all red flags ?What did you even checked?
Did you even checked their telegram group ?
An exchange with no liquidity ?What does it bring to add bitcny to a VERY low rated exchange with no real customers and liquidity ?Its only bot trading and nothing more.
Something like that doesn't bring liquidity but just destroys the name of bitcny if it needs to be listed in such shit exchange.
First of all, 99.5% is a number that you fabricated, show us the proof. I have been trading there since a few weeks ago, the mainstream coins have good depth, higher than BTS platform at least. Probably you don't know that GDEX spends over 20k bitCNY each month to hire a professional team to provide liquidity in BTS platform and do arbitrage between different exchanges. Previously cointiger provides bitCNY trading pair, but there is problem with withdraw/deposit. So it's important to have another exchange to list bitCNY ASAP.
According to feixiaohao.com, biki.com ranks 15 in terms of volume, ranks 30 in terms of star rating(same as coinbebe,kkcoin,yobit, higher than IDCM, lbank), ranks 32 in terms of followers. It meets the "top 40 exchange criteria" in all aspects.
Destroy the name of bitCNY? Are you kidding me or are you mad? all shit exchanges have BTC, does it destroy the name of bitcoin?
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I said it before NO decent exchange with real liquidity will touch bitcny without legal work.There are only 2 exchanges which may would take bitcny but surely not for 250k bts /$12.5k .
Define real liquidity first. If 250k is not enough, we could increase it to 2.5M, only if it worth it, it's up to the community to decide, anyone can propose an independent work to fulfill that target. But please do it, talk it cheap.
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Top 10 exchange ?
Did you ever assisted in getting listed a coin in a top 10 exchange?
Am asking cause your claims seems to me dream thinking.
Binance and huobi listed BTS due to our effort, not your barking, thanks.
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Instead of focusing on shit exchanges just to get the bounty i would recommend doing some real work and contact daniel from hitbtc as example and start negotationg.Why don't you do that? Because you are a criticizer-plus-non-deliver? I'll support it if someone makes deal with hitbtc, though personally I don't like this exchange.
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Ohhh i forgat we had the big amounts of OMO funds being margin called because 3 committee member signed proposals against consensus and worker description.off topic, no response. You may start a new topic to attack me on this. It was a failure experiment with good intention, the result is that BitShares is more healthy.
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Btw can you tell me why Biki has no offical adress or company info listed on their website ?I don't get why this question is so important to you that you have to make the font bold. Isn't that normal that crypto trading platform hide their private info from public? Can you find the address of Binance from website? But we have the phone number and company info of biki in the agreement which was shown only within committee group due to NDA.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 23, 2019, 05:22:18 pm »I can get us listed on any of these in the next 3-4 weeks for bitCNY and BTS if we can make arrangements for the account to pay the listing fee:
LATOKEN (number 20)
IDCM (number 25)
HotBit (number 42)
Exrates (number 34)
The above are reasonable/standard level fees with decent offers negotiated considering their ranking (in my view).
I can also get us listed on IDAX (number 8.) but the cost is higher and they were less willing to come down.
I share DLs view some are better than others so am not suggesting we go with all, I just think for sure one of those is just as worthy of listing/bounty as biki
I appreciate your work. Since the left fund is about 1.6 million. Personally I think it's still enough to cove the cost of a top exchange(top 10) and a medium exchange(top 40). what do you think?
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 23, 2019, 05:17:04 pm »Once again the community has been excluded to voice their opinion on the proposed exchange even the worker clearly said it needs to be posted public before a request of funds can be made.QuotePeople who want to work as lobbyists need to comment on the work proposal thread and leave the information of bts account, email and which exchanges he/she want to lobby, if finally the exchange open smartcoin market, the lobbyist need to provide evidence that it’s his/her work that make things happen.
Its a waste of BTS which will bring only wash trading and nothing more.
I'm tired of always these smart scammy moves to reach personal goals.
Please stop spamming with fabricated facts, thanks. I don't want to slap your face but everyone can check the time I announced that "will move on to another exchange having similar rank with coinsuper(Feb 19th)", the time I announce biki in the post (March 16th)and the time I proposal the fund transfer(March 18).
Also, you may check the transaction history, the fund didn't go to my account, instead, it goes to exchange to sell for listing fee, lobbyist, marketing, and the rest is reserved for marketing making. I have shared the listing/payment agreement within committee group. Those documents can not be shared publicly due to NDA with the exchange.
The bitCNY on biki will facilitate with the quantitative and hedging trading of bots, therefore, it's really important to have one exchange to list bitCNY ASAP.
I would really suggest you stop wasting time complaining on other people's work but do something meaningful to the community, for example, contact a better exchange.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 23, 2019, 04:39:15 pm »7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)
I checked on-chain, the payout of that has already happen. The description of that worker is quite clear when bounty payments should happen.
@ripplexiaoshan and at all committee members: Can you please comment on that?
As the exchange will only list bitCNY after receiving fund, so we have to send money to them first. An improvised makeshift is that the lobbyist covers the loss/pay it back if bitCNY got delisted or the exchange miss the criteria within 60 days.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 20, 2019, 09:29:59 am »I have applied 436,406 BTS from smartcoin-marketing for the whole bitCNY&BTS listing work on biki.com. This fund includes the listing fee and bounty reward. Due to NDA with biki.com, the exact number can not be disclosed publicly, but I have shared it within the committee group, and you can estimate it through the total amount.
Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.
By 'applied' do you mean requested? I can't see Biki on CMC.
I have listing options in top 50 but there is no clarity on how funds are applied for. I've messaged Bitcrab but no response.
Please excuse my English.
Here is the summary of my working flow with biki.com:
1\Guoan introduced this exchange to me, I did some basic research about its reputation, trading volume, rank, etc...(one-two weeks)
2\Then we contacted the exchange to get more details, including listing fee and conditions.(one week)
3\ Then we prepared and submitted the application form to the exchange, after the exchange confirmed, I asked for the comments from community and committee. (one week)
4\We then prepared the listing agreement(in English), and then contacted BitShares Foundation (one week)
5\ After the Foundation revised and confirmed the final agreement, get it back to the exchange. (two weeks)
6\ Both the Foundation and exchange signed the agreement.(One week)
7\ Get funded from account "smartcoin-marketing". This account is multisignatured by the committee.(two days)
8\Pay listing fee to the exchange, and help them with technical issues and marketing.(one week)
9\ Announce it to the community
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 18, 2019, 06:03:39 am »You can check my claims on the chinese weibo chat of zengold.
There is now a police report filled against Eric Gu in China.
There are big Investors who got scammed in Million's USD who are activly working to push the chinese government to take action.
About Biki why don't you post real facts about exchanges you wanna add bitcny ?Like real volume and what volume you expect to achieve on biki ?
Because i still keep saying its a waste of resources and nothing more.
How old is the mentioned exchange ?2 months ?
You want i can list bitcny on 10 shit exchanges which are top 50 on cmc.But i would be ashamed of myself for the results it would get for the amount spent.
Legit exchanges would be as example
hitbtc
bit-zQuoteBTW, one month has past, where is your solution?I'm working on it with somebody from OL and some other programers.It will be avaibable after the hard fork.
Thanks for reminding, here are some facts about biki.com, you can also do the research from google/baidu.
1\biki.com, previously bikicoin.com was founded in Singapore in June of 2018, it is relatively new but fast growing.
2\ According to https://www.feixiaohao.com/exchange/, biki.com ranks 12, registered accounts are over 500,000, reported DAU is over tens of thousands. Personally I think it belongs to top 20 exchanges on all aspects.
3\ If you call biki.com shit exchange, hitbtc is absolutely more worthy of this name, most of coins on hitbtc have zero volume and withdraw/deposit often have problem. I have already approached bit-z, they asks for 5 times the listing fee. I know biki.com is not a top exchange, but we have to consider the cost at the same time, we have to start from one exchange anyways, right?
4\Hope to see your solution ASAP,, if it is related to marketing dividends, then I think I know what you mean, but it is another topic, nothing with the liquidity of bitCNY.
BTW, What the hell of Eric Gu? Isn't it off topic? We have given up rightbtc after evaluation.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] - A bounty based smartcoin marketing campaign
« on: March 17, 2019, 05:49:31 pm »
I have applied 436,406 BTS from smartcoin-marketing for the whole bitCNY&BTS listing work on biki.com. This fund includes the listing fee and bounty reward. Due to NDA with biki.com, the exact number can not be disclosed publicly, but I have shared it within the committee group, and you can estimate it through the total amount.
Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.
Other than the listing fee, the rest is used to reward the lobbyists, including @guoan(founder of "BTS 100 cities 100 shops plan", main contributor), gbac(Linda, Jademont, organizer and coordinator). Also, possible transaction fee for providing liquidity at the first month and marketing fee are also included.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 听闻官方出了个手机APP，真是官方出的嘛？来个大佬说下。 普通官方账密能登录。
« on: March 16, 2019, 01:32:28 pm »
BTSPP钱包应该是唯一一个开源的APP钱包吧，如果core team能出人审一下代码没大问题，那么完全可以放到官网上供下载，成为官方钱包。体验上已经能实现轻钱包的大部分功能了，也很流畅。
