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General Discussion / Re: Whitepapers & Broschures
« on: November 28, 2014, 11:21:47 am »
Great text, thanks for your effort.

I believe some numbers in this paragraph might be wrong:

A margin call is triggered in the current BitShares system whenever the collateral contains less than 1.5 times the amount of BTS required to cover the obligation.  Stated another way, if the value of BTS falls by 33% from the time the short position is entered, then a margin call will occur.  The value of BTS would have to fall by 66% before the collateral would be insufficient.


A margin call is triggered in the current BitShares system whenever the value of the collateral falls to less than two times what is required to cover the obligation.

The initial collateral is 3x (2x from the short and 1x from the long) so the correct figures should be:

A margin call is triggered in the current BitShares system whenever the collateral contains less than 1.5 times the amount of BTS required to cover the obligation.  Stated another way, if the value of BTS falls by 50% from the time the short position is entered, then a margin call will occur.  The value of BTS would have to fall by 66% before the collateral would be insufficient.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Trapped Funds in EUR
« on: November 28, 2014, 10:57:16 am »
By the way, buying and selling should still work. I think only shorting is frozen.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Trapped Funds in EUR
« on: November 28, 2014, 10:47:46 am »
Don't misunderstand me, I think feeds are hugely important, but don't fire toast over this. He is even more hugely important :)

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When comparing Nubit and BitUSD the OP (not toast, the other one) says the interest premiums are roughly the same, not that they are zero.

For my final conclusion you would have to factor BitUSD's interest in, yes, but my personal estimate is that it will be negligible. Although I would like to be proven wrong.

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He basically says that the fair value of dollar-tracking assets like BitUSD and NuBit is:
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Fair Value = 1 USD
+ interest premium vs. USD
+ expected future appreciation (basically how far it is below parity)
- risk of total collapse
+ utility fudge factor (mostly affected by historical volatility, facility of transactions, exchange market depth)

For Nubits he then argues there is no interest premium and since it's trading at parity no expected appreciation, implicitly concluding that Nubit's utility factor must offset it's perceived risk.

For BitUSD he assumes interest premium and risk are comparable to Nubit which leads to this equation:
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utility of Nubit = utility of BitUSD + expected appreciation of BitUSD
Because in the past BitUSD has been trading at a discount its expected appreciation is larger than zero concluding that its utility must be lower than Nubit's.

What is left when you remove Nubit from the discussion is that
BitUSD trades at a discount because it has a risk that is not offset by utility and there is no expectation that it might appreciate above parity.

I basically agree with that summary (well I wrote it :) ) and would like to propose a fix:

Adjust a BitAsset's shorting threshold according to historical deviation from parity.

For example if BitUSD has been trading at an average of 98 US¢ in the past few weeks allow shorting only at 102% of the feed price or above. I'm not suggesting that this is really urgent but if in a year's time with enough liquidity present the problem persists ...

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General Discussion / Re: BitSILVER
« on: November 26, 2014, 07:42:16 am »
[...] There also needs be enough market depth to start the trading as well.
This one is outdated - no more market depth requirement, only 51 feeds.

Check out this site to see who is providing your favorite feeds. Activate the tick in the lower right-hand corner
http://bitsharesblocks.com/assets/asset?id=SILVER


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General Discussion / Re: Question about Force Covering
« on: November 26, 2014, 07:36:00 am »
is it correct, that the cover operation will not use owned assets?

i just experiemented with some funds and it seems it took not the available bought assets in my wallet, but covered through the feed price.
is this correct?

If you are Short BitUSD then cover operation will take BitUSD out of your balance and use it to cover your order.
Hu?! How is that? How can the blockchain determine which balance_ids belong to my account?
IIRC a force-cover will buy from the market at feed price .. while only the manual cover will take bitUSD from your account ..

Nobody's wrong, just confused :)
Shentist was asking about manual covering whereas the OP meant forced margin call covering.

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I think this is the best competitor to BitShares I have yet seen :)

…although I think a one minute time lag for trading will be a major put off.

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General Discussion / Re: feed price relative bid/ask order will hurt us
« on: November 19, 2014, 10:11:47 am »
And delegates are free to set trust_level for each exchange which is essentially a weight of that exchange's feed.

Wont that mean each delegate could have a totally different feed price?
That's essentially a good thing. There is no one true price.

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General Discussion / Re: Rollover short position
« on: November 19, 2014, 07:32:21 am »
I think it means that the order will sit at the (changing) feed price until it is fully executed.
So for that time anybody can short or sell BitUSD at the feed.

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General Discussion / Re: Rollover short position
« on: November 19, 2014, 07:23:28 am »
… and when it's done with the 5% fee will be distributed as interest to the remaining holders of BitUSD, right?
5% of 750 000 is how much exactly? :)

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General Discussion / Re: Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?
« on: November 15, 2014, 07:08:43 am »
It seems the current implementation is that a position is called when two thirds of the collateral would be needed to repurchase the debt. It used to be 75 % but it must have been dropped to 66.7 %

So 1187311 * 0.6666 / 8170 = 96.88


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General Discussion / Re: BTS is Not an Alt Coin
« on: November 15, 2014, 02:07:34 am »
Its an altcoin until it unseats bitcoin.
… and bitcoin becomes just one altshare.

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2) Wait sufficient time passes without any trades in the market


I don't think this will ever happen. Anybody can do a riskless trade by opening and then covering a short position with himself thereby resetting the waiting period.

Actually they can't.   As soon as someone opens up an order to "trade with themselves" they will find they have opened the door for someone else to "exit" and then they will run out of capital.

The dead state of the market is, I assume, lots of expired shorts waiting to buy at the feed and no supply, right?
(or if there is no feed anymore then there will still be one highest buy order)

An example:
highest buy order 1 BitBTC at 10000 BTS/BitBTC, no sell orders. It has been like this for more than a week.

Now I post an order to buy 0.0001 BitBTS at 10001 BTS/BitBTC.
Nobody will find this order very exciting so I can assume it will not be matched within the next minute.

I am also one of the last holders of a bag of BitBTS dust and I sell myself 0.0001 BitBTS at 10001 BTS/BitBTC.

A trade happened. The risk to myself and the size of the exit door are negligible.

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2) Wait sufficient time passes without any trades in the market


I don't think this will ever happen. Anybody can do a riskless trade by opening and then covering a short position with himself thereby resetting the waiting period.

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