Is there any way that we can partner with someone and get their interface (give them BTS referrals as a result, and maybe payment as a worker or something), and thus get a good interface quickly, instead of you guys having to build one?  Because that would both happen faster and would probably be better than having to cobble one together.

Mt4 is already built.. You just need to plug and play, feeds are even provided but we would provide our own

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Quote from: Ander on November 04, 2015, 11:08:52 pm

Given that I know some same whale will always dump BTS after I post something bullish to make me took bad, I sold 1.2 btc worth in 850+ range before posting and bought back.

Having a personal whale you can manipulate simply by posting a word or two is a powerful thing!

Use it wisely!

Totally. It definitely seems that some whale out there attempts to do the opposite of what I say.  Maybe I am just being paranoid.

Ur paranoid.. Market will always do opposite of what the herd thinks.. Its how moneyis made most efficiently.

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Quote from: jsidhu on November 04, 2015, 04:35:37 pm

The application model needs to change.. Instead of one gui to do it all you would offer a gui for the cryptqo stuff like sending recieving, privacy, referrals and account management, which the current gui is great for.

Then youd offer the dex over the cli which it does but do a metatrader4 bridge to the api for dex trading. You simply point people over to the client download for the dex and the wallet gui for crypto stuff.

Forex traders would be all over it especially since they can do their own account management, deposit withdrawls without trusting a broker!

I was thinking the same thing... All we would need is to get a metatrader license and may have to do some basic programming to access the API with the metatrader platform.  As far as deposits and withdrawals, I think we would have to point the trader to a deposit page on the openledger wallet.

I was thinking they dont need another broker, unless processing fiat, but once in crypto they can do their own account management in the bts crypto wallet. Whatever their crypto wallet balance is, would show up in metatrader4.

The metatrader idea is a good one.  I envision many such interfaces developed on top of the Bitshares platform.  But that should be done by by 3rd parties. And I think it will come in time.  But as far as the default wallet goes, we just need a good-enough trading interface, privacy features, properly set fees, and truly pooled liquidity.  I hope people can start getting behind these ideas:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19724.msg253654.html#msg253654

I think we need to seperate dex from crypto account stuff... By depending on a third party to do this you now have a trustful relationship and higher fees through commissions (unless they use referals as revenue model entirely).. You only need the on and off ramps to be trustful.

The application model needs to change.. Instead of one gui to do it all you would offer a gui for the cryptqo stuff like sending recieving, privacy, referrals and account management, which the current gui is great for.

Then youd offer the dex over the cli which it does but do a metatrader4 bridge to the api for dex trading. You simply point people over to the client download for the dex and the wallet gui for crypto stuff.

Forex traders would be all over it especially since they can do their own account management, deposit withdrawls without trusting a broker!

Theres no server side manipulating price feeds which is the weakest link of mt4.. Although some brokers might stand up their own whitelabelled metatrader clients for uia trading, this would essentially remove the brokers from the trading paradaigm and replace it with a decentralized exchange.

Then if we do have brokers joining us we can stand up super servers so we can actually hit 100k tps and show that trades are happening in real time across multiple brokers, but really its the customers of these brokers we are winning over. They just need to pay the $100 fee howver we can market a discount to join for say 6 months to reducd barrier for entry when it is most important.

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I leave town for one day and you all let the bottom fall out.   

If there is a market need for what BitShares solves then BTS has a future.  If there isn't a market need then it will remain small serving a niche.  The need for BTS is in times of crisis where decentralized exchanges are needed because all of the centralized exchanges fall down.

.. then lets make try and make the front end as easy and intuitive as possible for the non technical folks who dont give a damn about trading and just want to salvage whatever worthless dollars they still have in to gold and silver. [/color] I can do this in less that 5 clicks with bitreserve.

BM just said bitshares gains it's value from being an exchange when all centralized exchanges fail... that would lead me to believe we should skip making it for the average idiot, and tailor it to traders.

Metatrader 4 is the best trading platform I have used.  It's intuitive yet advanced.  Indicators are easy to write in mql4 and the barrier to entry is low.  There have been thousands of indicators created by regular traders.  I know people think poloniex has a great interface, but to tell you the truth, it's garbage.  It's boring, plain, and isn't even on par with basic broker platforms from companies like e-trade much less something like Metatrader.

If I showed the current interface to forex traders they would laugh.  There are no indicators(not even a moving average), no ability to zoom or pan, orders can't be executed by clicking on the chart, there is no line on the chart indicating where your open positions cost is, no active P/L, no grid option, no dynamic scaling, no ability to change bar colors, no ability to change to line or OHLC style charts.  And I can't stress enough that if you want to appeal to traders you need to be able to accommodate stop and take profit orders for open positions!  This is by far the main and most important thing to get functioning if you want traders.  Most of the other stuff a trader doesn't absolutely need to trade, but they need stops and take profits.

Seriously just look at metatrader 4... download it and open a demo account from one of the dozens of forex brokers that use metatrader as their platform (I use FXCM and Forex.com).  Give it a test run and you will see what trading platform needs to be at a minimum.  Unless we don't want traders, then all this is null and void.

You can even use mt4 as a frontend with any server side clearing software that plugs into the api... So you can use bitshares as the server giving trade information to mt4 which executes the trades and allows backtesting and algorthmic trading and development. This is a great idea... Ive said 100x gui coding is harder than you think unless you become a gui programmer. So leverage guis that work and mt4 clearly does.

Quote from: bitmeat on October 21, 2015, 02:31:45 am

Do I hear 1200? 1200, going once, going twice... What? 1000! 1000, going once,... 800?! Oh my!

Price is irrelevant. There are still plenty of weak hands that gave it a final go and are now very bitter. It's OK. It's just how it works.

I don't think Stan's or Dan's comments/articles full of hype/hope will have any effect anymore. I admire the optimism, but no.

BTS hype is over, I believe that now the only thing that can take it higher is real utility and that will take some time to truly develop.

For that reason, I'm mostly out. Enjoy the ebbs and flows. I'll be waiting way, way, waaaay lower to get in. I could care less if it quadruples from here short term. I don't think it will be a sustainable jump even if there is one.

Good luck everybody!

Just because...

Aslong as they keep developing price will always recover sooner or later

If bts38 proves that their wallet balance is correct and no ponzi scheme is happening (highly doubtful) then im sure community would help them.. Seems to me they are delaying until they are forced.