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I did some wor on the acct integration for a btc clone before me and the ciyam dev had a falling out, im guessing they used it to do acct on a bitcoin clone, but not sure how it will work with bitcoin itself without acct scripting support directly in bitcoin for the acct stuff.

Burst and qora are java based nxt clones which can do acct amogst themselves.. But how would it do it with btc?

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General Discussion / Re: BTC38's Fractional Balance?
« on: November 12, 2015, 06:02:25 am »
How do we know what the reserve balance of btc38 "should be"? Can someone confirm this? I feel as if there is a ponzi running underneath our feet.

Im probably right, as with central exchanges you are guilty until proven innocent but just incase im wrong id like to clear my paranoia with some clarification to what is expected vs what is said

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Worker Proposal Review
« on: November 12, 2015, 05:59:48 am »

What do you mean? That's 10% spread. Are metaexchange's prices that off? And what do you mean good deal for metaexchange? Last time I knew it was coinbase who charged more each time you bought a btc, not metaexchange. You have other exchanges you can use to get into BTS.

If using coinbase because you're in NY is the problem, then that's the exact same thing if you want BTS or any other coin. You make it seem like it's BTS's problem

I mean a simple thing, efficiency. If you have a magic pipe which transfers a magic juice between people, you put a 50 gallons of juice into the pipe and get 45 gallons of juice out of it, your magic pipe is 80% efficient. On your way out you will lose another 20%. This is how bitshares works now.

Put down the pipe man, it only causes family problems. ;)
Speaking from experience?

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General Discussion / Re: Ldger - Marketplace Lending Is Exploding
« on: November 12, 2015, 05:42:58 am »
Ui programming is hard. Ppl dont understand this. U need to leverage existing work or u will wither away.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: November 12, 2015, 05:27:20 am »
Is this a BTC reversal coming?

If so, expect a BTS dip again.
LTC didnt hit target

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General Discussion / Re: Metatrader 4 and Bitshares
« on: November 12, 2015, 05:24:38 am »
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Since we don't have the resources to build something like that, we need to make it easy for third parties to interface with the api and hook up their systems.

At the very least the api should be made as friendly as possible for people wanting to write bots..
^--- This  +5%
Im a dev myself and what I can tell you with certainty is that if you are trying to cater to a standard api protocol its almost 90% there to try to actually integrate one as a proof of concept. Its just common sense.

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General Discussion / Re: Metatrader 4 and Bitshares
« on: November 10, 2015, 03:18:34 am »
To me it makes so much sense and is not very hard.. The api integration shouldnt be too bad, the risk reward is massive and to me makes sense to go for it for bts team.. But i dont think they will understand like us ever since they domt have time to go use it for a few weeks to judge themselves.

To be fair it IS hard to do: You have to decode their proprietary protocol, create a bridge server into the bitshares wallet, have the core bitshares team add the missing order types and then somehow get metatrader the company to be ok with the idea.

edit: the rewards would be huge, though.
Its not trivial if i made it sound like that but its alot easier problem then the ones they have already solved in crypto. I think there are also examples of bridges already done that perhaps somehow can be shared or metatrader can shed light on.  Its api work ontop of a few commands.. And since its a standardized api it makes sense to figure out and integrate into a real trading engine instead of guessing what type of trading the world wants.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Blockchain showing its weakness?
« on: November 09, 2015, 03:38:52 pm »
The network is a settlement chain.. There will be micropayment channels for these things going fwd, unless bm can prove that these arent secure enough and justifies creating faster settlement confirmations.
Micropayments are not part of bts yet because of profitablility and business reasons (referral program) .. not because of "security concerns" .. for instance, microtxs are possible and cheap in MUSE
In btc micro txs happen offline use something like checktimelockverify... muse does this?

Microtxs are expensive for the blockchain but if an offline one is secure it is better.

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General Discussion / Re: Metatrader 4 and Bitshares
« on: November 09, 2015, 03:33:45 pm »
To me it makes so much sense and is not very hard.. The api integration shouldnt be too bad, the risk reward is massive and to me makes sense to go for it for bts team.. But i dont think they will understand like us ever since they domt have time to go use it for a few weeks to judge themselves.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: November 09, 2015, 03:29:57 pm »
I am leaving for now. I still am unable to think straight and I don't think I will ever recover from this. Keep the prices low, maybe I will be able to raise a  few BTCs and get some BTS in the next 2-3 months.

Good luck, and DON'T margin trade. I was advising people on Bitcointalk not to do so but by that time I was already stuck and was unable to get out of it. In hindsight should've taken a loss and exited then and saved the rest.
Greed kicked in.. Its happened to all of us. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

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General Discussion / Re: Metatrader 4 and Bitshares
« on: November 08, 2015, 08:32:08 am »
To be honest I think this is more than we need right now. I think it would be good to have metatrader 4 in the future but for now we need something quick and simple like poloniex layout. and a chat box is needed.
We need crypto liquidty first and then in the future we can go for real fx liquidity with metatrader 4.

Valentin Jesse made this mockup which is the direction I think we need to head in.



Ok think about it this way... The Dow Jones, S&P, Nasdaq, and Russel don't care about making an intricate GUI... they provide the data that can be accessed by anyone else and they build the platforms around that data.
+5%

People just dont seem to get it, that UI programming is just as hard as doing the core, its subjective and hard to get right in everyone's eyes. You NEED to leverage proven UI's that work already otherwise you will never get liftoff like you expect (if you aren't the first to market)... and we aren't bitcoin is.

You can do all the mockup's you'd like but when it comes time to use it, won't be the same as a flashy promising screenshot.

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General Discussion / Re: Best Exchange Website
« on: November 07, 2015, 09:02:59 am »
We started a conversation about this yesterday... I believe MT4 is the best exchange for traders.  Here is a link to the conversation:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19763.0.html

As far as your other questions:

1. Fee System
-Most brokers trade with 0 fee's but expand the spread
-ECN brokers charge a fee (usually $40 per trade) plus there is a spread

2. Trading interfaces
metatrader 4 is the most accepted
think or swim
ninja trader
bloomberg

3.  Order Matching Rules
-Most broker match orders with their pool of funds, then move the order to the open market only if they don't have the liquidity (this is why they can charge lower fees, they attempt to match within their pool of customers)
-ECN Brokers place the order directly into the interbank market (hence the higher cost)
-Bitshares needs to incorporate stop loss and take profit orders for a 3rd party platform like mt4 to use
$40 per trade? Maybe if your trading a standard lot (10 million). We dont do the same leverage on bts so this number scales down.

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General Discussion / Re: Metatrader 4 and Bitshares
« on: November 07, 2015, 07:55:02 am »
The orders are emulated clientside and only when client triggers order is it sent to server, thus bitshares doesnt need to know about buy sell stops or even stop loss take profit orders.
client also handles margin call which depends on leverage also done client sidr.. Although our blockchain has limited leverage

None of that can be true, otherwise your orders would never fill when the client wasn't running, and neither would you be margin called without the client running?
That's true! You are right. Trailing stops/EA's wont work offline but orders are put in by the broker and broker manages them in the market. So stop orders would need to be supported by the blockchain.

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General Discussion / Re: Metatrader 4 and Bitshares
« on: November 06, 2015, 05:06:43 pm »
Metatrader4 is the defacto forex consumer trading platform http://www.metatrader4.com/en

The key feature of MT4 is the ability to buy, create and run your own trading bots - this is a massive source of liquidity and trading volume and there are vast libraries of such bots available on the metatrader marketplace https://www.mql5.com/en/market/mt4

There has been some discussion about how to integrate metatrader 4 with bitshares, and I have good experience of both platforms so I know what it will take. I've created this thread to open the discussion about how this might be achieved.

There are a few things to know about MT4 first:

1. This is a margin trading platform. You go long/short with your base currency as collateral in your desired market, and you always close your order with one of the opposite type, so if you buy, you must sell to close your position. This means you always end up back in the same currency you started out with.
2. There is typically leverage available, the amount varies depending on your broker
3. I *think* the available markets are hard coded into the platform, so you have to offer markets like EUR/USD, JPY/USD etc
4. The is no orderbook available to traders (this is a big negative point)
5. The spreads are typically denoted in Pips, which are fractions of a dollar (this is a bit of a sticking point for integration)
6. The metatrader 4 client side app communicates with the broker via a custom protocol - there would need to be a bitshares bridge server
7. Placing and cancelling limit orders is free
8. There are order types bitshares doesn't support right now, buy stop and sell stop which are resting orders which do not activate until the price reaches them (opposite way to regular limit orders)
9. Metatrader the corporation would almost certainly be opposed to this integration, so this would need to be done with no central point of failure in terms of legal ramifications

I propose something radical to address point 7, which is a huge point for existing MT4 users who would never accept having to pay for that: require a Proof of Work for placement and cancel orders, but have 0 transaction fee. That would prevent spam while costing no currency.

Point 8 could easily be addressed by adding these order types into the DEX.

In summary, I think it would be possible to integrate IF bitshares supported margin trading in a compatible way.

Cheers, Paul.

There doesnt have to be margin, its definable.

The list of symbols is not hardcodded that would be stupid. Its dynamic.

The orders are emulated clientside and only when client triggers order is it sent to server, thus bitshares doesnt need to know about buy sell stops or even stop loss take profit orders.

Pips are base movement and you can set to 4 or 5 decimal places (mpips).

There is market depth plugins available (look at fxpro).

client also handles margin call which depends on leverage also done client sidr.. Although our blockchain has limited leverage

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I think the advanced trading interface (screen shots provided) is terrible for 99% of crypto users / traders.   But it may well be the best for technical traders / day traders.

I think that if our interface looked like what I saw above we would be getting all kinds of complaints from far more users.   The interface is just too busy. 

I am not saying that we shouldn't have such a product.

I think we should look at etrade, etc as examples.   The market for the interface shown above is willing to PAY big dollars to have something that has every bell and whistle.

I can see tremendous value in making the exchange data available in a format that is easily integrated with external interfaces.

This is one case where I think BM is spot on. This ultra detailed and complex GUI is far too busy for your avg user. Might be great for power traders, but how many of those are in our target demographic? THAT's what should take place first, identifying our target demographic AND THEN finding out what they like.
Mt4 is really not for pro traders at all.. Theres no market depth tool built in.. Its really for average people and it really is very well designed ui and not busy. You can always build in the depth plugin like fxpro did but thats besides the point. You need to try it before casting judgement.

Again the big pro is the cross form factor versions that are usable and very handy. Try out the mobile trading app for example.

If you are not focusing on traders then cli is sufficient because then its up to the non trading businesses which build on the dex as an api for their core businesses. If those businesses are mostly eschanges then it makes more sense to do mt4.

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