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Learning to Trust Strangers by Martti Malmi.

"Who wants to be a bad guy if anyone you meet already knows it? Your reputation goes ahead of you. Against government monopolies of law enforcement and justice, reputation could easily be a stronger, faster, less corrupt and more cost-efficient force for good. It just needs to be done right."


Check out his project Identi.fi (also on GitHub)

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General Discussion / Basket MPA
« on: December 06, 2015, 10:57:55 am »
Has anybody made any plans on creating a basket of commodities, stocks, bonds and/or currencies that could be made to an MPA? I've been thinking that now might be a good time to do something like that.

It would be targeted to anybody who wants to save on an asset that is very stable. I know there is not any magical formula to achieve totally perfect basket, but it shouldn't be too hard to create something that keeps relatively stable value over time.

I'd like to see some real economists in the discussions of what assets the basket should include. This could be also a nice way to stir up some interest in Bitshares among economists. I bet there are lots of people who are eager to share their dream baskets.

We could also use it to test how an MPA works if the price floats around and not over the face value. This MPA would be primarily for long term savers so it doesn't need to have a guaranteed price floor.

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Go see the New Stealth Transfer Worker ($1000) thread if you haven't yet. Somebody got an absolutely brilliant idea: he will fund the development of the stealth transfer GUI if he gets royalties from every stealth transfer after it's implemented.

We should discuss this idea in more broadly. How can we use private funding to accelerate the development of other new features for Bitshares? Can we agree on a standardized process?

I think best way to make this happen would be to issue UIA that acts like a share for the feature. The person/group/company that funds the feature gets all the shares and profits that those shares will collect in the future. When somebody uses the feature and pays for it, part of that money goes to the share-UIA and part to the blockchain.

Can anybody come up with a good name for it? Dappcoin? Featureshare?

Investor can be just one person (or a company), who develops the feature himself and then offers it to Bitshares in exchange for share-UIA. Or investor can be crowdfund group that uses the money to pay for the code.

Investor can define how many shares there will be, how much they will get profits and how long they are valid (might be forever). BTS owners then decide if this is a good deal and accept or decline it. How the process should go? Worker proposal?

Of course the share-UIA can be traded in the Bitshares exchange, if the investor wants to sell it. This should be also possible in advance for the crowdfunded projects.

This should be our highest top priority!

Why? Because right now we can fund only very few projects at a time. We get out 5 bts/s from reserve pool and that's not much with current shareprice.

With privately funded blockchain features we could develop dozens of projects at a same time! That would give an enormous boost to the development process!

We'll get lots of new users who want to buy shares for these features because they can make money with them: just buy and hold and get revenue automatically – who could resist that? We'll get lots of new developers who will earn money by coding these features. So incentives are very much in place.

I'm getting really, really nice mindblowingfullness feelings from this, anyone else?

But first we should decide how exactly this process would work, what kind of hardforks it will need, etc.

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I'm afraid that many really interesting discussions are getting forgot in other subforums. It would be nice to have own subforum for economics discussion for topics like general theory of DAC, how to make profitable business with services we provide (such as smartcoins), what to take into account when tuning blockchain parameters (more general theory that the committee could use for basis of their decisions), to get feedback for potential business ideas to be build on Bitshares platform, privately funded features on blockchain, incentives of every kind of user of Bitshares, etc.

It could be BitShares/Economics or BitShares/General Discussion/Economics

This would be intended only for discussion about economics of Bitshares DAC, other economic topics should go to Trading & Speculation or Random Discussion.

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In the threads discussing fee structure there have been frequent demands that we should lower our fees to match our competitors like Bitcoin and Paypal.

I think this is wrong point of view because we have now or we will have in the near future a better service than our closest competitors.

Making a superior product should be our main focus on competition. People are ready to pay bigger fees if they get a product worth of their money.

Lowering fees might get us some users more faster, but it won't necessarily make us more profitable.

So let's do a comparison. Feel free to add any kind of pluses or minuses you can think of. Try to think more of the payments and not the exchange business (we can to that later). Add more comparisons to other cryptocurrencies and payment processors.

Bitcoin
+ Price stable smartcoins
+ Faster
+ Better transaction capability
+ Stealth transfers
+ Recurring and scheduled payments

- Way more users (network effect)

+/- Transfer fees are cheap for the Bitcoin user right now, but Bitcoin's business model is fucked up. Payments are subsidized by inflation that will end in the long run (next block reward halving is coming next year). Transfer fees have to go up some day. Lately the real cost per transaction has been 8-10 dollars. If Bitshares wants to lower transaction fee to the same that Bitcoin has, we need to think how we can make money after that. Is the transaction business going to be subsidized from reserve pool? What if the reserve pool goes empty? Think of the bigger picture here, not just the point of view of a price sensitive customer.

Paypal
+ No cancelled/refunded payments
+ No need to tie account to credit card or bank account
+ Anybody can open an account anywhere in the world
+ No freezed funds
+ Stealth transfers

- Way more users and merchants (network effect)

+/- Paypal's customer service sucks and people hate it. Bitshares doesn't have any official customer service.

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General Discussion / Who are (or who could be) the powerusers of Bitshares?
« on: November 04, 2015, 11:01:58 am »
In his book Zero to One Peter Thiel gives one advice that might be useful for Bitshares: start small and monopolize.

This means that a startup business should try to find a small audience that it can serve really well. Paypal did this with eBay powersellers – people who were selling lots of stuff on eBay. After three months of dedicated effort, 25 % of them were Paypal users. Before Paypal the payment processing of eBay deals was really a pain in the ass, so it made a big difference and it wasn't that hard to acquire new active users. Of course, when the sellers were using Paypal, also the buyers started to use it.

Can we find the poweruser group for Bitshares? Are there people who would greatly benefit from our services? If we find that group, devs should let them be the top priority for a while. After we have the initial traction, we can start to scale up and concentrate on other users/markets.

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Random Discussion / Bitshares Book Club
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:50:12 am »
Does anybody have good recommendations for books worth reading? Especially about economics/trading/startups/marketing etc. that might be useful for trying to learn and understand more about second generation crypto products and how to build and market them.

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General Discussion / Committee members should be economists
« on: November 03, 2015, 10:36:11 am »
I've been thinking that we should elect committee members who know at least something about economics.

Deciding what are the best blockchain parameter values requires understanding of the effects on whole BTS economy. That's why I'm not so eager to vote for companies who are building their businesses on Bitshares blockchain because they will propably set parameter values that mostly benefit themselves and not so much the whole Bitshares economy.

That's why best committee members might be even completely outsiders who don't have any prejudices about how and what the blockchain should do. They could look the whole economy with a fresh point of view and hopefully they could see what are the biggest road blocks right now and in the near future.

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Tim Swanson has written a good blogpost.

Bitcoin doesn't have a consensus mechanism for blockchain parameters so it's users and developers have to spend a lot of money and time to fight what should be done.

This is one reason why I think Bitshares is superior to Bitcoin.

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I suggest that we start to use two different terms for market cap:

Active Market Cap = (current supply of BTS) * (price of BTS)
Total Market Cap = ((current supply of BTS) + (reserve pool)) * (price of BTS)

When you talk about "market cap of Bitshares" it is probably better to use the active market cap. Although this has a little downside: when the DAC is making revenue, the active market cap is going down if the price is stable because current supply is diminishing. This is why sometimes it might be better to clarify what the total market cap means.

As far as I have understood, there is no actual burning happening right now. No BTS is burned so that is made completely unusable. Instead the revenue from fees is going to the reserve pool, where it's waiting to be used for payments for workers and witnesses.

You can think that Bitcoin has a reserve pool too. It is all the bitcoins that are not mined yet (6.3 million BTC right now). Disadvantage is that BTC can only be withdrawn from the reserve pool and not put back in. In this way Bitshares is way more better because it can make revenue and put it in the reserve pool to wait until it is used for something that the DAC needs.

And of course BTC from reserve pool is going only to miners and not to developers, which leaves the development to be funded only by charity. Bitshares is also superior in this way too, because it's development is secured for years. If the price goes up, it can fund even more development, which will attract more users, which will make more revenue and price will go up more, which can fund more development. It is a system that is made to win. It seems to me that many people haven't yet understood how significant this is.

So stop talking how "BTS is burned" (because it isn't) and start bragging how much money we are collecting for the development.

Also feel free to suggest other terms for active and total market cap if you have something better in mind.


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General Discussion / When we will see BTC/BTS parity?
« on: September 13, 2015, 01:23:00 pm »
If you have superior prediction skills, you may also specify which half or quarter or month of the year in the comments.

Also, it would be nice to know which you believe more: Bitcoin will fail and it's price will drop dramatically or Bitshares will go to the moon?

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Stakeholder Proposals / The Bitshares Handbook
« on: August 30, 2015, 02:59:50 am »
Problem with Bitshares has been that there are no good documentation for newbies. So I got an idea of a handbook that would be a primer for people without any prior knowledge of Bitshares. Like "read this and you have a clear picture what Bitshares is and what you can do with it".

When the 2.0 comes out there will be lots of new stuff and I'm pretty sure that people will be confused what for that all is and how to use everything. A handbook would be a good solution to that.

Do we really need this or is normal documentation and wiki good enough? Are developers already planning some kind of full documentation that is newbie-friendly?

Here is a quick table of contents that I made. Not in any way complete but to give you an idea what I'm looking for.

- Users
-- Wallet (how to use)
-- Currencies / Assets
--- Recurring and scheduled payments
-- Accounts
--- Membership
--- Account transfer
--- Dynamic permissions

- Owners
-- Voting
(I'd like to emphasize the difference between DPOS and other consensus mechanisms. BTS owners can increase the value of their holdings by voting wisely. It's really important that new people understand this.)

- Businesses
-- BitAssets / User Issued Assets (how to)
-- BitAssets / User Issued Assets (what for)
-- Referrals
-- Business Examples
--- Exchange

- Witnesses
-- How to be a good witness

- Delegates
-- How to be a good delegate

- Workers
-- How to make a worker proposal

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General Discussion / Charts for total cryptocurrency market cap?
« on: July 19, 2015, 07:54:54 am »
Are there any charts that would tell how much the total market cap of all cryptocurrencies has evolved over time?

The current total market cap can be found in coinmarketcap.com, but it is only for the present moment – no chart is displayed.

It would be interesting to know how much new money has been flowing in to the whole crypto market. My guess is that the flow has been quite small recently. Price movements are mostly just speculators trying to guess what currencies are going up relative to others – so the currencies are traded against each other, not much new money is coming in.

A lot of the market activity seems to be short term speculation and pumpdumping. That might explain why bitshares price has been so low. Not that many traders are doing fundamental analysis and investing in the long term.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZaB4hM8SQ4

Bram Cohen, creator of BitTorrent, spoke on the challenges of removing the waste from cryptocurrencies:

"Expending electricity on unproductive work is inherent to Bitcoin's security. Multiple approaches to eliminating this have been proposed, none of which solve the problem satisfactorily, and are usually unusable, insecure, or completely fallacious. I'll explain what Bitcoin at core is, why and how much waste there is in it, what approaches to removing that waste are, and how they fail."


Interesting and funny talk. BitShares is mentioned once, but apparently Cohen hasn't looked into it and doesn't know anything about 2.0.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Two kinds of shares
« on: June 29, 2015, 09:12:59 am »
This is just thinking out loud, not a serious proposal for Bitshares.

Would it make any sense if DAC had two kinds of shares?

Share A is meant for people who are interested in taking care of the DAC:
- able to vote
- if not used in voting in a period of time, will lose a small percentage of the shares (something like 5 % per year)
- if used in voting, will get the shares from non-voters (this will effectively be like an interest)

Share B is meant for people who will just want to hold and enjoy the value going up:
- not able to vote

Both shares can be used for shorting to create bitassets (or whatever they will be called).

This would mostly solve the problem of voter apathy. Those who are not interested in voting would just buy B-shares, and those are interested in voting, would have even more incentives for it (they could gain or lose shares).

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