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Lots of nice changes with this one, good job  +5%

Are there any screenshots of alpha or beta versions of the new grandma-friendly UI that includes support for the new stealth?

And realistically speaking, considering the likely extended period of testing this (much needed) feature will require, when are we expecting to have it rolling?

I'd like to write some articles on steemit about all of this and how financial privacy matters, but I don't want people to come and check Bitshares out only to realize that confidentiality is still a year away.

General Discussion / Re: Stealthier stealth
« on: February 26, 2017, 04:17:34 pm »
Hey chris, thanks for replying.

I understand that, with monero it is however not possible to even know that a transfer was made from a certain address (by design).

I further realize that this could be somewhat worked around by creating different accounts for different purposes in Bitshares, but to me this seems to somewhat defeat part of the purpose of having named accounts - altough privacy-savvy users will do this anyway, with different services - the same happens with monero right now altough it will be addressed (heh) with sub-addresses (heh) soon, iirc.

The above scenario would be for instance using the same address on poloniex and shapeshift, both services would then start building a profile on XMR sent to/from the address, even if this information is not visible on the blockchain.

Such scenarios are more serious with Bitshares+stealth, since it is visible on the blockchain that the user spent funds after using such a service.

I like and 100% stand behind the belief that a good cryptocurrency should be like cash in terms of privacy, but you already knew that ;)

My concern here is that even with Stealth as I understand it now, every time we spend, it's akin to advertising to the entire world: "just spent money!".

In simpler terms, it seems to me that there is more information being leaked than necessary, and that over time this will have unintended consequences.

As a not-perfect-but-hopefully-enlightening analogy, we had the (perhaps not so shocking) revelations that would-be Tor users are automatically targeted for further scrutiny/logging just by visiting

What do you guys think ?

Anyone know affected or not?

I'd imagine yes. I remember avoiding because it used cloudflare in the past (annoying captchas that require javascript to be turned on, and even if they didn't, more to do than endlessly train google AI)

General Discussion / Re: Integrate Hardware Wallet into the Bitshares DEX??
« on: February 26, 2017, 11:13:54 am »
[member=11456]svk[/member] .. maybe we should work together and get the BTS/Steem integration going. Lets have a chat about this .. it shouldnt take too much efforts to bring trezor to BTS given our current status .. maybe we could do a crowdfund for development ..

This would be yuuuuge!

General Discussion / Stealthier stealth
« on: February 26, 2017, 11:12:37 am »
Hello everyone!

Through sheer luck while searching for a solution to an unrelated problem, I came across this (very recent) article:

Once more, having been gone for awhile, I would like to express my thanks to [member=30868]kenCode[/member], [member=38926]Chris4210[/member] and the rest of the team for having picked this up, I'm convinced this work will do wonders for adoption ..

One quote stood up from the article for me, the following:

Quote from: TFA
What I personally really like about Stealth is that it only shows one message:
“unknown” sent “n” “unknown” to “unknown” - plus a timestamp.
That’s it.

Here's an observation: Wouldn't it be better if there was no record at all? That an observer couldn't even tell that any transfer was made from account X.

Depending on the (legit) circumstances, it can already be way too much information to even be able to tell that a transfer was made from a certain account.

Take Monero, for instance, even if you knew the address of the sender through third-party means, the total balance of that address (account in bitshares) cannot be queried, you can't even find out if transfers were made to/from it.

This, I believe, is ideal.


SSL broken by design?

Well, definitely if you add a MiTM purposefully to the equation ..,21695.0.html

Been gone for awhile.

Happy to see that stealth is being worked on, as for everything else, need to take a few days to catch up with things.

Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker Proposal] BitShares Webdesign Mockup
« on: October 31, 2016, 04:05:02 pm »
I'll be voting to support this worker proposal, can't wait for the bitshares website to be redesigned :)


[member=30868]kenCode[/member] you are one of the last hope for bts to succeed.  Thank you very much  +5% +5% +5%

there's nothing out there that can beat our platform in speed, scalability and features. why more businesses aren't building on it is beyond me.

I'm gonna guess total transparency is a huge part of the reason. Especially over there, from what I gather, Germans tend to be serious about privacy ..

I think even today the lack of STEALTH is routinely minimized by the community; we automatically lost all relevant demographics: some rich dude doesn't want the whole world to know he just invested half a million in bitshares, your average crypto user (who may be fine with bitcoins' pseudoanonimity or really not even be aware that it's pseudonymous, not anonymous) sees public account names and public transfer amounts and runs away never to look back, and merchants and users alike are not interested in broadcasting their entire financial life to the entire world until the end of time.

Can't blame them - I myself have always done minimal transactions with BTS, and under several aliases, on different computers, all through proxy/vpn/tor, in a gynormous effort to keep identities unlinked. And I'm a technical guy, working in security - it's hard even for me to keep matters separate, average joe doesn't stand a chance.

Privacy was never taken seriously by the wallet developer(s) either, there is no proxy support, changing wallet from settings happily queries the now-active wallet using the same TCP connection (trivial for the server to correlate who is who - sure, nobody does this. maybe. how do we know?), and so on.

I hope I'm mistaken that the timing to get some privacy on this blockchain has since passed, time will tell.

Anyhow [member=30868]kenCode[/member] - for sure you guys have done an awesome work, of course I'm not even putting that into question. BTS Munich is one of, if not the most, prolific group of entrepreneurs around here.

Last I heard, you were putting together a team to implement STEALTH -- are there any news on this, and most importantly, any ETAs? (next summer? :D)

Technical Support / Re: STEALTH clarifications
« on: October 26, 2016, 10:11:53 pm »
Not if we also have to trust that some super secret passphrase on which the entire security of the system depends on has been actually disposed of.

Technical Support / Re: STEALTH clarifications
« on: October 25, 2016, 11:56:34 am »
Sounds good [member=38926]Chris4210[/member] .. I've always been convinced that absolute lack of privacy will be a hindering factor in the adoption of the platform - you guys got the same feedback from the many merchants that you approached, correct?

Technical Support / Re: STEALTH clarifications
« on: October 25, 2016, 10:52:56 am »
[member=38926]Chris4210[/member] [member=30868]kenCode[/member] we're now entering November -- any updates on this matter for the rest of us?


General Discussion / Steemit woes
« on: October 22, 2016, 11:26:57 am »
Been off steemit/bitshares for a couple of weeks now.

Today I went to log in to steemit, and here's what I was welcomed with:

- Between "Submit a Story" and the expandable menu, all I see is a rotating thing. Replying to posts is not possible until it stops spinning (if it ever stops). This used to happen before already, but infrequently.

- The feed now appears to also include posts that have been "resteemed". There does not appear to be a way to turn this off.
Maybe I'm not interested in what the people I follow are "resteeming"? Useless spam, I followed them to read what they write, not what someone else wrote that they thought was interesting.

- When visiting a users' homepage ([member=33020]karnal[/member]), the title of the page now shows the word (username) capitalized.
karnal becomes Karnal.

I don't know about you, but I want to remain karnal. Not Karnal. It looks funny.

- Cluttered transfers pages, now there is some savings thing, seems like more overcomplication.

This is more of a rant, I don't know any good way to make the suggestions to the steemit crew. Other than posting, which I can't, because the stupid thing won't stop rotating. And either way, it would be buried with everything else.


Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Shareholders: Your Attention, Please
« on: October 02, 2016, 10:36:02 am »
I am really looking forward to the survey. That thing was really well done!

Cheers buddy +5%

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