err, so there were problems found with the snapshot, there is going to have to be a new one sometime soon.

If they were equals, they would already be building their projects and giving other people bounties, not waiting for bounties before getting started.  We're all here because we're convinced that Bytemaster and the rest of the Invictus team is on to something and is offering something of value.  There are good reasons for honoring the social consensus, and there's no reason for any developers to be left without a stake in their own ventures as you suggest.

I would post Bounties in the bounty section, but NO, only Invictus is allowed to do that, go ahead, try posting one and see.

What we have witnessed was two attempts which didn't see the value you claim is there and so allocated only a tenth of what the "invisible hand social contract" mandated.  That wasn't because they can't do math, but rather there is no obvious value in working with you.

 

Every DAC that gets created that honors protoshares will pay the LARGEST portion to you!

To avoid what is already a huge problem, i gave PTS holders who were actually interested in my ideas a huge discount....see Invictus show any interest? Any support? NO...why? see the above quote.

Let's wait and see how well they do compared to those that honor this community.  Of course, if the community doesn't favor DACs that honor them and shun those who don't, we will be proven wrong.  We don't exactly have a scientifically large sample yet.

Actual PTS holders with an interest are helping me honour their 1%, no force no demands, they believe, a free 1% in my venture is well worth it.

If you were serious about letting the community decide you would not have moved me OFF TOPIC. You are holding everyone hostage by demanding that they follow YOUR consensus, which incidentally you cancelled the bounty for. For it to be a real consensus, you need to get influential people to endorse it and have a signing list because that is when it becomes clear that it has advantages to devs. Right now, that consensus is just what Invictus agreed to do for it's followers. "CONSENSUS" get people to "consent". Ramming it down developers throats is one of the reasons there is a dev shortage on this forum.

To prove a point i made available some free NRS from my own mining (yes, i mine just like everyone else), this ended up affecting the price rapport built by those who had expended resources to earn their NRS and those who wished to buy in. Those who get free shares will never accord them any real value, they'll just settle for whatever they get. If you are so convinced by your "NETWORK EFFECT", please lets modify the PTS code and make an extra 2 million and push them out in a single block, the lets give them away, and watch how the price will react. Don't go asking devs to do something you clearly cannot do.

Quote from: biophil on March 05, 2014, 07:45:18 pm

Quote from: AgeraS on March 04, 2014, 11:43:53 pm

For due diligence purposes, are all of following correct, please correct where wrong?

• The only difference between AGS and PTS is PTS can be traded.

To very briefly address this one: not quite.

Invictus has made no commitment to honor AGS and PTS equally, only that they're each going to get at least 10% of each new DAC. There's nothing to stop them from awarding 40% to AGS and 10% to PTS.

On the other hand, if non-invictus DAC developers have no access to AGS funds, they have no explicit incentive to honor AGS. If you want to read a big argument about this, see this topic: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2924.0

True, we have not made balance mandatory, that's just our recommendation. 

Developers should read the 10 Natural Laws of the Crypto-Currency Universe and consider their real reasons for honoring each group?

Goal 1: Do you want to attract supporters who have proven that they mine and hold?
Give PTS holders a stake.

Goal 2:  Do you want to attract supporters who have proven that they invest in new ideas? 
Give AGS holders a stake.

Goal 3:  If you want to include "supporters" who mine, dump, and move on
by all means use traditional mining lotteries.

And remember:  The traditional model is that developers must give away 100% to Goal 3 "supporters".  With our model, they can reserve some to raise funds to develop their DAC or to attract the DAC's targeted customers, without hearing screams of "pre-mining".  Honoring AGS and PTS holders frees up 80% of your coins/shares for whatever fund-raising model you can convince the market is fair.

And yes, as icing on the cake, they get our promotional support.  We are still delighted (even desperate) to use funds on competent and committed third parties.  Where do people get the idea that we don't?

Read our recent newsletters.  See this recent post:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=3394.msg42988#msg42988

  not much "holding" going on at the moment. The average person in the crypto business is still trying to wrap theeir minds around this or is more "quick profit" minded.

I think major campaigns will be due in the future....err, once i am done buying cheap PTS that is.

Quote from: barwizi on March 05, 2014, 01:26:00 pm

so it's a problem with the tool. hmm, this messes up my plans.

Sorry to hear that .. but better late than never :-)

yeah, but i can't keep returning focus to this issue. I have deadlines to meet in other areas. lol, there really is a shortage of developers.

Quote from: barwizi on March 05, 2014, 11:35:08 am

Quote from: xeroc on March 05, 2014, 10:38:04 am

about 2014.8

and the snapshot states that you have 2000 exactly?

Jup

strange, maybe it's a problem with the tool i used. btw, is this a wallet balance or specific address balance? sometimes wallet balance is different from address balance.

Quote from: barwizi on March 04, 2014, 09:49:42 pm

it's from 20 Feb.

Its not. :-(
My address is [censored] --- https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Addresses/[censored]
On 12/18/2013 I had over 2k PTS in it ... your file just gives me 2k pts .. something is definitely wrong here :-(

i used this :- https://github.com/vertoe/pts-unspent, to parse the chain.

On 12/18/2013 I had over 2k PTS

How many PTS did you have on 20/02/14?