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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 15, 2014, 08:15:29 am »
i am curious why the official website not update the client after the official chain launch, as the official client is connected to invalid chain now.

Oh.  I don't know about that.  I didn't see any binaries on the official site.  If the code in the GitHub repo is set to mine to the wrong genesis block then so is the binary I posted earlier, take note.


Edit: On this topic and to people coming from here, I think you are getting confused by this -- the NoirShares beta (last updated two days ago) and this (last updated 12 hours ago) which looks a bit less like a beta.

The binary I provided is built off the latter repository.

I'm not affiliated with the project and don't know if my conjecture is right, but that's what I think is happening here.

Thank you, yes you are right. The first was the git used i used to test the functions and build if i was away from my workdesk. I here that some people after hearing my idea went and prematurely started mining before i was ready to post the actual git. lol

Can you please tell me how to use your binary? 7zip is just producing a file that does nothing. Thanks for your effort, i will find a way to pay you well for that.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 15, 2014, 07:54:16 am »
sorry,  :-[   i passed out from exhaustion. i'll respond to every post now. Thank you for your patience.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 15, 2014, 01:01:30 am »
https://github.com/Nameshar/NoirShares

addnode=107.170.254.5
addnode= 41.78.77.178
addnode=192.241.213.244

to compile :-

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sudo apt-get -y install git build-essential htop libboost-dev libboost-system-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-thread-dev libssl-dev libdb++-dev libminiupnpc-dev git
git clone https://github.com/Nameshar/NoirShares.git
cd NoirShares
cd src/
mkdir obj
make -f makefile.unix

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 15, 2014, 12:50:21 am »
Barwizi,
   We appreciate the 1% and I have nothing against you only honoring at 1%, but I do have my obligations to AGS and PTS holders to not include your coin in any official manner such as our website, etc.   If we were to confer any special privileges on a coin that didn't honor 10% then it would devalue AGS and PTS while encouraging others to do the same.  MemoryCoin was an example to how PTS honoring was possible.

   I appreciate your goals and certainly will not shun you.  You have been an excellent asset to this community and I hope we can continue to work together.  As your code is mostly based upon non-invictus code you are free do do whatever you think will make your shares most successful.

Dan

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All modified redistributions will allocate 7% of their total lifetime value supply units to Noirshares at genesis
of said redistribution, also further allocate 3% of their total lifetime value supply units to Protoshares.

that is a quote from the license, it's been there all along.

And yes, we will work together, many opportunities will arise soon .

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 15, 2014, 12:05:14 am »
What exactly are miners delivering to warrant at 95% cut?

if miners had not taken interest in your ideas and ventures... would you be where you are now?

MINERS are what give every PoW implementation out there value. IF people stopped mining BTC...... which is why every PoW must hit every milestone with precision. PTS is now suffering the effects that struck LTC....it is still pegged to BTC.

One of the aims of the NIG is the remove reliance on BTC, but rather to value PTS/NRS/MMC and any future similar ventures  firstly on fiat directly then gradually self-valuation. This creates a situation where-by the everyday user can buy shares with relative ease. Think of a credit dispenser with the option to buy PTS being available in at least one of twenty cities in the world. While not ideal, it would greatly raise awareness of the company and with it interest. Interest means that if people can buy it easily, funding will start trickling in , which can be used to expand and exedite current projects making them viable in a shorter period of time. As awareness grows, so does flexibilty. At some point they may become more valuable than the fiat and at that time they become self valuing.

My short term goals are 1) increase user base 2) Formalize structures 3) start the exchange

It is up to the Bitshares group whether they choose to work with us or shun us because we have decided that giving them 10% with no solid return on it is asking too much. if yu are not happy with the 1% and feel insulted by it, we can withdraw it.

Part of my reason for even honouring 1% was the great respect i have for your work and ideas bytemaster, however on this issue i think you may want to consider our position.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 11:48:43 pm »
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?

I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.

Again we see the limitations of defining in text what the invisible hand wants.  Seems like so far the invisible hand wants 1% rather than the 10% prescribed.

As far people offering 1% and preferring to 'mine' it into existence... I just shake my head.   Obviously you are attempting to mirror our business model in some manner and imbuing your coins with additional backing.   Without a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.

People mine shares so that they sell them for profit, they expend resources and time in an effort to accumulate the assets which they they divest at a profit.  The assets gain value by miners evaluation of the cost of their mining operation and their expected returns. Mining, and expenditure of resource to gain these shares gives these resources value, this is why PTS was mined, people anticipated that they would earn profits from possession and  trade of PTS. NRS is similar in many ways. My choice to give 1% to PTS is not in anticipation of what I3 builds, but an effort to grow the user base of NRS. People are free to redeem or not to redeem. The "backing" you speak of at 1 % is actually non existent, rather it is the other way round since i am giving basically free "value" to holders of PTS. They have not expended any resources to gain these shares, they are simply a product of goodwill and good business strategy. If NRS was directly interchangeable in the same way provided for PTS then you could say that i have imbued value into the company, but i cant can I?

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Without a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.

Backing, promote and support. PTS factors heavily in some of the ideas being developed, but if the community is against us because we refuse to pay 10% homage but 1% then perhaps that support is over-priced. The NIG is not seeking to be the underling but an equal partner which is why i said i look forward to working TOGETHER, not FOR. I've already pointed out that NIG is giving value to PTS holders "free" of charge, the idea is not competition but to cooperate and create a whole new industry.

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Obviously you are attempting to mirror our business model

If you look for NoirBank, you'll find that these ideas were circling my head long before most people knew about I3, i'll admit your implementation has given me many ideas, but i had been thinking in this sphere for quite a while.

In fact NO...i do not agree with the autonomous part which is why you'll find i am creating corporate structures that will govern everything. A Dispersed Liability Decentralized Corporation more like which has both online and real world infrastructure.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 09:08:39 pm »
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?

I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 08:34:22 pm »
Thanks Barwizi...  FYI, the reason I don't have hard answers on how to initialize the genesis block is because I don't know the Bitcoin code base well enough to provide the answers.   In other words, you and FreeTrade are more qualified than I to answer them.   Sure I could probably figure it out, but obviously I have other things to do.

I think sending it in the first block may be the easiest way to instruct people and is just as good.

I have figured it out, but i'll still just send the shares after launch. I can only imagine the pressure you have, good luck. And speaking of the genesis guide, take a look at the latest one and tell me what you think.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 08:10:41 pm »
As someone attempting to claim a bounty on initializing the genesis block and also producing the unspent output list, it seems to me that you should be able to generate the proper initial balances.

Then all you have to do is create a 'spend to many' transaction in the genesis block.   

If you don't know how to initialize it in the genesis block, then simply pre-mine the balance for yourself and issue the transaction in the first block.

funny thing is, i have the balances, and the file keeps fetching and updating it'self. It is rather discouraging though that noone can tell me whether to put or remove a comma....seriously, a comma is the difference at this moment.

anyway, rather than keep bothering myself with no help, i'll follow your advice and send the balances after launch.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 07:53:55 pm »
what sets it apart form Peercoin?

uh...peerCOIN... have'nt heard of the coin doing much else.

NoirShares is equity and currency for NIG.

Top post ^^

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 05:29:28 pm »
why there are more than 7000 blocks to be download when i fist time launch the client, not lunch in 8 hours? will the blockchain be reseted?

Because it hasnt been launched yet, that is probably someone who saw me working on the dev stages and decided to try get a premine in. The official genesis will be uploaded in 7 hours.

do i need to clean the local blockchain data if i wanna mine after launch in 7hours

yes you do, that chain is invalid. it has incorrect genesis block and does not include the code for adding PTS balances. Once i get an answer to my query, i'm importing the balances and uploading the code.

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General Discussion / Re: Impressions Inside Bitcoin Conference Berlin
« on: February 14, 2014, 05:22:35 pm »
Bitshares definitely needs more promotion and advertisement to attract more followers, besides making a good product.

True, the industry is failing to reach out properly. Maybe my facility of changing USD to PTS/NRS directly will help the situation.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 05:17:16 pm »
why there are more than 7000 blocks to be download when i fist time launch the client, not lunch in 8 hours? will the blockchain be reseted?

Because it hasnt been launched yet, that is probably someone who saw me working on the dev stages and decided to try get a premine in. The official genesis will be uploaded in 7 hours.

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General Discussion / Re: NoirShares Launch in 8 hours, don't panic.
« on: February 14, 2014, 05:04:04 pm »
Will you be honoring AGS and PTS?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0

NRS borrows the momentum code and there have been attempts to include a small share for PTS, however as you can see...information is not forth coming on how to include the balances.

AGS has no part in NRS, i was not funded, all my work was done alone with minimal assistance.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares and anonymity
« on: February 14, 2014, 04:54:55 pm »
Agree. I am a little worried that the crypto space will either be completely anonomous or will make complete survailance possible. Both is horrible with different cases for society as a whole.

A case where complete anonimity is obviously bad: Someone goes short on a company's stock -> attacks this company (bombing plants, injecting poison into food the company produces) -> takes profits anonymously. 

I think most people and reasonable officals like Benjamin Lawsky see it the same way. It is a balance and extreme positions to either side will have more extreme disadavtanges than advtantages.

Goal imo must be to distribute power as much as possible. Extreme positions to either side will fail here.

Communication and working together with officials and an open PR policy will help to walk this fine line between complete anonymity and survailance.   

I believe the fact that I3 has a corporate structure will help a lot here.

I have been pondering this issue for a while and have come up with a possible structure that maintains decentralization and  anonymity while allowing for a few points of reference. My own venture while having many similarities to DACs has an actual physical footprint, the risks, costs and profits involved are possibly huge so i've thought of using a "cell" strategy. It looks like a possible option to dealing with many issues that are limiting the crypto-space, for instance, by de-coupling central management and using user consensus, policies, strategies and changes can be adopted in an audit-able yet nigh untraceable way. pseudonyms are encouraged to protect all users. I am currently trying to figure out a method of one-time use deposit and withdrawal scheme for the exchange i am working on that will ensure that once a user confirms withdrawals and deposits of their fiat, their personal details are destroyed. Regulations here state that you must do KYC, but there are no post KYC regulations, as a result it is up to me whether to store or "lose" the data.

did you lay that out in details somewhere? Or is it still in your head only?

Lol, there is a half done paper that i passed to someone who can articulate things better than i, i'll have it on noirbitstalk.org Monday morning.  If you check in the ALT DACS section you'll see the ANN for the CANDIDATE DAC. It falls under "CANDIDATE" because it is not autonomous but is decentralized and leans towards the corporate side of commerce. I have many docs to complete and publish over the next few days, so you'll see a lot of the driving ideas in print. I tend to be technical rather than articulate so i chose to finish the coding first then figure out how to put my ideas on paper.  :( if only i could talk like i type.

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