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Technical Support / Re: Step by step multi-sig setup
« on: June 20, 2017, 09:26:03 am »
Hypothetical scenario:

A bitshares user wants to create a 2 of 3 multi-signature setup to secure their funds.

They have created 3 accounts.
They have:
(1) Created an Openledger.io account on their laptop, backing it up with a 12 word [brain key 1]

(2) They have created an bitshares.org/wallet account using the web browser on their smartphone, backing it up with [brainkey 2]

(3) They have created another bitshares.org/wallet account on their old unused smartphone, backing it up with a 12 word [brain key 3]

THEY TRUST ALL 3 DEVICES.
The brain keys for these devices are stored in 3 separate locations in order to secure the funds against physical burglary/theft.

They want account (1) on their laptop to be the main account.
They want to be able to propose transactions, short SmartCoins, and vote for their favourite worker proposals and proxies using their laptop (1) account.

They then want account (1) to REQUIRE confirmation from either account (2) or account (3) before allowing any transactions.

As the backup brainkeys for account (2) and account (3) are stored in separate physical locations, it would be a pain to have to go and retrieve them every time a new transaction needs authorization.
So BitShares user decides it's a good idea (?) to have their smartphone account (2) with them at all times, but the backup is not.
So the smartphone account is secured with a very strong password (memorised by the BitShares user).

If the user forgets the password, then they have to perform the inconvenience of physically going to the account (2) brainkey location, restoring the smartphone account (2) while there, creating and memorizing a new password, and then physically returning to the laptop (1) to finish proposing the transaction.
[Brain key 2] should never be in the same physical location as [brain key 1] or [brain key 3]

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Creating 3 accounts is "easy", but how does one actually link them into a 2 of 3 multi sig?

Can somebody help by writing some step by step instructions (e.g go to settings > multisig > setup > blah > blah> blah) for example

Having clear instructions posted here on these forums will help current and future BitShares customers and investors feel safe securing their funds with multi-sig

Thanks :)

@svk  ?

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Thank you very much :)

So to summarize;

When importing a new private key from cold storage:
Use Openledger.io or bitshares.org/wallet to create a new account "Example-Account-Name444"

Under this account, a WALLET is created (you have the option to add more wallets to the same account if you like).

BACK UP this account. Settings > Backup > Backup from brain key.
Write down the 12 brain key words on pen and paper, write 2 copies and store them in 2 separate secure locations. (If your house burns down, you'll be glad of another copy somewhere else)

Go to 'Import Private Key'. The funds from the private key should now show up in this WALLET.

Send ALL FUNDS to yourself. Send funds to "Example-Account-Name444'

Your private key funds, and any future funds that you send to 'Example-Account-Name444' are now secured entirely by your 12 word brain key.

ITS NEVER ADVISABLE to throw away any previously used private keys, but THEORETICALLY you could throw away your now-old cold storage private key because all of the funds are now secured by the brainkey.

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Thanks so much for your reply :)

Hyptothetical scenario:

1)Someone creates an account with OpenLedger and then backs it up with ONLY the brainkey.

2) Someone then imports a cold storage private key to the account.
         This account now houses (Brain_key seed private keys) + (new unrelated private key)

3) Someone then sends ALL FUNDS to themselves
      Does this account now house ONLY (brain_key seed private keys)

In this situation, is a brainkey backup sufficient?
Is a new backup required after every transaction?

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: June 19, 2017, 06:04:25 pm »
21/05/17 08:53AM GMT

BitShares Market Cap: $275,000,000
Price per bts: $0.1059
SmartCoin Market Cap Total: $5,000,000

CryptoSphere Market Cap: $72,097,000,000

BitShares' Market Share: 0.381%
BTS MCap / SC MCap Ratio: 55.
                 The marketcap of BTS is 55x the market cap of the SmartCoins that it enables


19/06/17 18:58PM GMT

BitShares Market Cap: $856,500,000
Price per bts: $0.329
SmartCoin Market Cap Total: $18,000,000

CryptoSphere Market Cap: $112,400,000,000

BitShares' Market Share: 0.76%
BTS MCap / SC MCap Ratio: 47.
                 The marketcap of BTS is currently 47x the market cap of the SmartCoins that it enables.

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Over the past ~month:

1) BitShares has doubled it's share of the crypto-market

2) More than tripled the market cap of it's SmartCoin products

3) Has kept a similar APPROXIMATE 50:1 ratio of BTS Mcap to SmartCoin issuance.

I propose that for every extra $1 worth of SmartCoins borrowed into circulation; a corresponding $50 of value is added to the BitShares Ecosystem (MarketCap)

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Hello,
When backing up an account, you are given the option of backing up with a .bin file OR a brainkey.

There are 3 variables in account creation: a password, a .bin backup file, and a brain key.

Is a brainkey ALL you need to "reinstall" your wallet info?

If you use a brain key (12 words written down on paper) do you ALSO need a password and a .bin file?

Is an account that is backed up with JUST a brainkey safe?

Thanks


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Technical Support / Step by step multi-sig setup
« on: June 19, 2017, 05:38:06 pm »
Is there one?

The documentation on how to actually use BitShares seems quite limited

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Technical Support / Re: Bitshares offline keypair generator
« on: May 29, 2017, 08:13:37 am »
http://paperwallet.bitshares.eu/

It's tricky.
There are some instructions around here somewhere

paperwallet.bitshares.eu
Is there a link to instructions on how to use it?

Why does it spit out a public and private key?

I thought you couldn't sent to a public key on BTS 2.
Do you just send funds to the account name?
How does the account know to send it to a paper wallet and not just into the account?
No sending of money to a pubkey. Bts2 requires and account name!

To use the paperwallet you usually do like this
- get an account
- provide the account and name to the paperwallet
- replace the accounts' keys with the new ones

Restoring access to your account only requires to import the private key or to use the passphrase on the paperwallet

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The CryptoFresh block explorer is notorious for going down, and it's currently our only web block explorer which many services rely upon.

I believe that users have reached out to the owner of CryptoFresh unsuccessfully requesting the open-sourcing of his explorer in return for a payment/worker-proposal (despite his requests for witness votes to fund the website), so I think it's a good idea that we try to lure new developers to this task.

I understand that anyone can create a worker proposal to request payment for work, but it appears that only long term community members have had the confidence to create worker proposals. Perhaps it would be worth creating a public bounty which upon the delivery of an open source block explorer is paid out?

If there was an open source block explorer, I'd run my own Gridcoin themed Bitshares block explorer & I'd imagine that many others would run their own explorer.

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What do you think?

What should be the minimum requirements of such a block explorer?

What would be a fair bounty for such a task?
+5%

Bounties  +5%
Worker proposals alone rely solely on people who already know how BitShares works to decide how much they would be willing to get paid.

Offering bounties could attract 'Freelance' dev.

It would be great if self-employed work-from-home types (increasing number of people) who search (duckduckgo.com) "Highest/best paid dev tasks online" came up with BitShares Bounties as top results.

Not too high pay obviously, just one out of the thousands(?) who read the "Bounty Advertisement" needs to complete the task.
Bounties are nation-agnostic so places with lower costs of living are content to work for less pay.
This could direct the bts-payouts most efficiently in the global market economy.

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Technical Support / Re: getting Bitshares from 0.9.3c
« on: May 27, 2017, 09:21:37 pm »

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General Discussion / Re: BlockPay in Serious Trouble
« on: May 27, 2017, 09:14:00 pm »
Stealth is a very sensitive technical feature for the BitShares Platform and is also highly debated. One the one side Stealth can be used to protect the privacy of the users, on the other end it can be used for illegal and criminal activities.RED FLAG Both sides have to be considered and evaluated while developing this feature.

I don't think it is highly debated at all.

....

In the crypto space, only the monero team got this right. Privacy in transactions has to exist, and it has to be on by default.

Anything else is not "crypto" at all, and more to the point, continues to facilitate the kind of systems that are eroding so many of our rights away.

More surveillance is not the answer, and transparent blockchains allow for perfect surveillance.
+5% @karnal

Where is it debated?
Among the shareholders of BitShares?
...or among circles of people who aren't stakeholding, vote giving, investment funding bitShareholders?

Who is paying for implementing stealth?

Can the holders of BitShares Munich vote on who is the CEO?
I would highly value the ownership of Munich stake if such a shareholder vote was possible

How much would the Munich share price pump if the general BitShares community wanted to vote to change CEO of BitShares Munich, and thus there was large demand for stake?





I think the solution here is obvious... Time to remove Chris from the equation and redistribute a new blockpay token without Chris.  Ken can do this by creating a new token... Whatever value blockpay had has been destroyed by Chris for what seems no good reason.

I would trust ken, the man who I bought the OPENPOS token from and has shown me real results, over some scammer kid who's Daddy is a lawyer

Are you suggesting to screw over all BLOCKPAY holders? Or are you talking about some kind of sharedrop minus Chris? If that's the case, watch Chris' account for any movement... Can anyone else smell the karmic irony?

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General Discussion / Re: Market Maker Instruction Manual?
« on: May 25, 2017, 09:01:26 am »
bump

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares basic diagrams by BTSwolf
« on: May 24, 2017, 10:27:12 pm »
 +5%
Looks great

Nice one man :)

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General Discussion / Re: HERTZ - Oscillating Formula Based Asset
« on: May 24, 2017, 10:21:58 pm »
I'm not sure I understand much of the above correctly, but if traders could make a 1% profit every ~1-4 hours by shorting the asset at the peak, and then buying again at the low, then holding until the peak.

A repetitive bot trading the 4 hour profit cycle (6 x 1% profit opportunities per 24 hours), would make 1.01x their initial investment.
Using a bot to trade each of these cycles every day for a month would create a (Initial-Investment * 1.01^(6*31) equals a 600% increase in capital, just from playing the tick-tock game of 1%

This asset needs to track the value of something that the mainstream will want to hold.
There will be lots of shorters wanting to earn the 1% profit 6 times a day.
BitShares-customers who want to buy CNY (?) at volume in a liquid market will not mind paying a 1% "fee" depending on where they are on the HERTZ cycle.
They won't even notice it

There would be lots of liquidity, shorters are guaranteed profits if there are buyers of the token.
High liquidity looks attractive to potential customers, and gets BitShares on the "front page" of crypto-news, because traders will see volume rankings and BitShares will be up there

Is this the kind of thing you're talking about?

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares State of the Network Report
« on: May 24, 2017, 03:51:38 pm »
Thank you!

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Technical Support / Re: getting Bitshares from 0.9.3c
« on: May 24, 2017, 03:38:29 pm »
http://docs.bitshares.eu/migration/

That takes me to a link going from 1.0 to 2.0. I am on version 0.9.3c

Thanks for the response though
Someone correct me if i am wrong, but 0.9.3c is the last version of BitShares before the start of BTS 2.0

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