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Tell her, we are no different then GEMZ

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758004.0

They got an Iphone app

I agree, I would tell her that Bitshares is no different than GEMS.  And I would also try to further blur the lines by saying both Bitshares and GEMS are based on Bitcoin blockchain.  Good luck, Ken!

122
General Discussion / Re: STEEM price discussion
« on: April 22, 2016, 06:24:10 pm »
Just to set things straight here. I was asked weeks ago if I would be ready to have an article put through on STEEM via Forbes. I was also told that OpenLedger was meant to be first platform to trade STEEM.

None of this has happened, and whatever is the reason for BiTTREX to be the first, you all need to take up with the people orchestrating this, meaning @dannotestein @bytemaster @nedscott

I am enjoying to help promote BitShares and OL on top, but as I have mentioned in previous threads whenever there is a hidden agenda and i feel someone here have been playing on many horses and really made a bad impression on it all.

I hope it will improve soon in terms of how communication has been presented, and I hate to waste my own time and anyone else's for that matter thinking we are on the same page, when in fact someone has already witten the end of the story on his own.

@ccedk
Just tell us when deposits and withdrawal's are allowed on OL and we will take of OPEN.STEEM after that... don't worry!

Is it not already? I thought actually it was made possible a few days ago. Pls test it. Its hard for me to do much on this, as I have received very limited information all in all.

@bytemaster
@Bytemаsteг

Can you take care of this?  (or somebody they listen to you)
I don't see any option to deposit or withdraw. Even if there is a way it is not easy to find.Please give the option on top of the page of each pair...

If you go into Deposit/Withdraw, don't you see STEEM listed under gateway?  I do.

123
Is your wallet software open source?

the apps are closed-source and they are not bitcoin wallets like others, in other words it is a native mobile interface to the CoinsBank

mobile apps connected only to CB system via special secured API

If I understand correctly, we can look at CoinsBank as something very much like Coinbase...which is a fiat-to-crypto gateway.  So of course it has to be centralized.  In any event, the advantages of CoinsBank seem to be that it supports multiple fiat currencies.  And not just BTC but also currently LTC (and hopefully BTS and ETH in the near future?).  Plus there is a linked debit card, which I don't believe Coinbase has.  So this should be pretty exciting for Bitshares.

Am I getting all of this right, Ronny?

124
I just received som BAD news for iOS users. The BitShares Wallet for iOS was denied by Apple.
 
They denied it because (apparently) it transmits a "virtual currency" that is not approved for the App Store. Secondly, they will not allow our app because it uses encryption to which they do not hold the keys (at least guess this is what they are trying to say).
 
Anybody have any idea what we should do next? Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
Code: [Select]

From Apple
11.17 - Apps may facilitate transmission of approved virtual currencies provided that they do so in compliance with all state and federal laws for the territories in which the app functions
Program License Agreement
11.17 Details

Your app facilitates the transmission of a virtual currency that is not approved for the App Store.

Next Steps

We encourage you to review your app concept and incorporate different content and features that are in compliance with the App Store Review Guidelines.

PLA 2.3

Additionally, we found that your Application Description states:

"Secured by the encrypted, fraud-proof BitShares blockchain."

However, your app does not have Export Compliance, which does not comply with the Apple Developer Program License Agreement, as required by the App Store Review Guidelines.

Section 2.3 of the Apple Developer Program License Agreement specifies,

"You certify that (i) none of the Licensed Applications contains, uses or supports any data encryption or cryptographic functions; or (ii) in the event that any Licensed Application contains, uses or supports any such data encryption or cryptographic functionality, You will, upon request, provide Apple with a PDF copy of Your Encryption Registration Number (ERN), or export classification ruling (CCATS) issued by the United States Commerce Department, Bureau of Industry and Security and PDF copies of appropriate authorizations from other countries that mandate import authorizations for that Licensed Application, as required."

Please review your app's encryption ability, and when resubmitting your binary, check the appropriate answers to the questions in the Export Compliance section of iTunes Connect. You may be asked some follow-on questions to determine the level of encryption in your app; you may also be asked to provide a copy of your CCATS.

If you have questions related to export compliance and your app's use of encryption, please contact the App Store Export Compliance team at appstore.ec[member=3065]apple[/member].com.

Ken,

I'm kind of confused by this.  Did your team read the terms of service prior to working on the iOS App?  Getting bitcoin wallets on iOS has been extremely difficult for the last several years and I wouldn't expect a bitshares app to be any easier.  Granted coinbase got their app on iOS, but i'm sure they followed the terms.  There are some other wallets as well on iOS, so maybe ask Apple why they were allowed in.

If they did it, and our technology in essence works the exact same way (encryption, blockchains, wallet transfers the tokens, etc) then why would they deny us? Yes, it might be difficult for them, but they must have said something or done something to help Apple to see the light.
 
I have contacted Apple directly via their Appeal process with that exact inquiry. A friendly message just asking what else we should do to get published in the App store just like all the other Bitcoin wallets out there. I will keep posting my progress with them here on the forum..

When it comes to getting approved by Apple, you might consider trying to bill your app more as a Bitcoin app than anything else.  Also, why do you need to mention encryption?  I would avoid that.

125
General Discussion / Re: STEEM price discussion
« on: April 21, 2016, 12:02:48 pm »
I thought the point of Steem was to attract users to trade a hot new token on OpenLedger, and they just use Bittrex instead?  >:(

What do you mean "they" just use Bittrex instead?  Do you understand that any exchange can list any token at any time, as long as the blockchain is launched?  All an exchange has to do is have a wallet, enable deposit and withdraw in their UI, and issue an IOU token on their platform.  There's nothing the devs of a token can do about it.  Having said that, it's hard to understand how OpenLedger was beaten to the punch by Bittrex.

126
It's the reasoning for CNX leaving that is dumb... They say there is no money available for development because of the anit-dilution (chinese) crowd.  Yet CNX hasn't even put forth a proposal for anything (MAS, Bonds, Rate Limited Transactions).

This is what I dislike as well.

Isn't @abit working on Rate Limited Transactions?   And if I remember correctly, @bytemaster did propose a bond market in some detail.  But if you were paying attention, you would know the anti-dilutionists are not interested in funding new features.  Given that, do you really think MAS would have a remote chance of getting funded?

I don't understand the people who keep saying bytemaster is "moving on".  Fact is, he said he's not going anywhere.  He still owns a large stake in BTS and will continue to support it, make sure it keeps running smoothly, be a resource for businesses building atop BTS, etc. 

But beyond that, there's no way for him to do any meaningful development work on BTS at this time.  The mandate at this point is for feature stability.  So cut the crap, people.  Especially you, @lil_jay890, you little nattering nabob of negativity.  How depressing it must be to go through life being you. 
 

127
General Discussion / Re: Should BTS end merger vesting BTS early?
« on: April 17, 2016, 08:28:01 pm »
I have to give some credit to @Empirical1.2 for thinking about the greater good and putting this idea up for debate despite having a lot of vesting shares himself.  And same to @gamey and anyone else who has vesting shares and has at least tried to look at this idea objectively.  At the same time, I don't think cancelling vesting shares would be perceived very well, regardless of the fact that it would be a decision of the shareholders, not one person or even a committee. 

Although perhaps the idea someone had to extend the vesting period is something to seriously consider.  It could have multiple benefits.  Obviously slowing dilution would be positive.  A side effect of that could be that the anti-dilution crowd might become more agreeable at least to some of the obviously beneficial worker proposals.

Also, assuming that @bytemaster owns a lot of vesting shares, wouldn't passage of a proposal like this prove that he truly doesn't have enough stake to unilaterally control BItshares as some here have charged? 


128
General Discussion / Re: BitARS - SmartCoin Petition
« on: April 15, 2016, 08:59:39 pm »
In order to create a 3-letter asset, the fee is 1,174,108 BTS. See https://cryptofresh.com/fees
Currently there are 1,422 BTS on the committee-account. See https://cryptofresh.com/u/committee-account

Even if this 1,422 BTS is permitted to be used to create the asset, we still need more than 1.17M BTS. How to get them? worker proposal? Or someone will donation?

By the way, if you have enough fund already, and willing to create the asset with that fund, you can change the owner of the asset to committee-account at any time.

It doesnt have to be 3 letters, it can be BitARS, which would cost aprox 1.500 for a lifetime member, I can create it and then transfer it to the Committe, however the real help here would be pushing the feed to the master so that the coin has a decentralized feed price, do you think this could be possible?

FYI:  In order to avoid confusion between fiat BitAssets and their various fiat UIA counterparts, the BitAsset versions are displayed in the UI with "bit" as a prefix.  So for example, instead of USD, it's bitUSD.  The reason I'm pointing this out is because if you choose "BitARS" as your symbol, then it will display in the UI as bitBitARS.  That doesn't seem desirable at all.

Thanks for that info..

I dont think paying more than 1.000.000 BTS for the asset is a viable option, unless we create a worker.. another option would be to create bitARGSP

So I could create ARGSP, which is a five letter word and cost me 1.500 bts aprox, then pass it on to the Committe, would that work?

Seems it would be most desirable to use the proper 3-character ISO code "ARS".  Why not do a worker proposal to accomplish that?

Yes, I agree.

We can do a worker proposal, create the asset and pass it over to the Committee, or the Committe could create the worker proposal and create the smartcoin.

I prefer the second option personally, that way everything is more official. Also, the fees of creating this coin will go back to the network so there will be no dilution here.

I suppose if the worker doesnt get funded we always have the option of creating a 5 letter smart asset, but we would be like the bastard son of smartcoins hehe

I totally agree.  You should work with the committee to accomplish this.

129
General Discussion / Re: BitARS - SmartCoin Petition
« on: April 15, 2016, 08:10:00 pm »
In order to create a 3-letter asset, the fee is 1,174,108 BTS. See https://cryptofresh.com/fees
Currently there are 1,422 BTS on the committee-account. See https://cryptofresh.com/u/committee-account

Even if this 1,422 BTS is permitted to be used to create the asset, we still need more than 1.17M BTS. How to get them? worker proposal? Or someone will donation?

By the way, if you have enough fund already, and willing to create the asset with that fund, you can change the owner of the asset to committee-account at any time.

It doesnt have to be 3 letters, it can be BitARS, which would cost aprox 1.500 for a lifetime member, I can create it and then transfer it to the Committe, however the real help here would be pushing the feed to the master so that the coin has a decentralized feed price, do you think this could be possible?

FYI:  In order to avoid confusion between fiat BitAssets and their various fiat UIA counterparts, the BitAsset versions are displayed in the UI with "bit" as a prefix.  So for example, instead of USD, it's bitUSD.  The reason I'm pointing this out is because if you choose "BitARS" as your symbol, then it will display in the UI as bitBitARS.  That doesn't seem desirable at all.

Thanks for that info..

I dont think paying more than 1.000.000 BTS for the asset is a viable option, unless we create a worker.. another option would be to create bitARGSP

So I could create ARGSP, which is a five letter word and cost me 1.500 bts aprox, then pass it on to the Committe, would that work?

Seems it would be most desirable to use the proper 3-character ISO code "ARS".  Why not do a worker proposal to accomplish that?

130
General Discussion / Re: BitARS - SmartCoin Petition
« on: April 15, 2016, 07:35:51 pm »
In order to create a 3-letter asset, the fee is 1,174,108 BTS. See https://cryptofresh.com/fees
Currently there are 1,422 BTS on the committee-account. See https://cryptofresh.com/u/committee-account

Even if this 1,422 BTS is permitted to be used to create the asset, we still need more than 1.17M BTS. How to get them? worker proposal? Or someone will donation?

By the way, if you have enough fund already, and willing to create the asset with that fund, you can change the owner of the asset to committee-account at any time.

It doesnt have to be 3 letters, it can be BitARS, which would cost aprox 1.500 for a lifetime member, I can create it and then transfer it to the Committe, however the real help here would be pushing the feed to the master so that the coin has a decentralized feed price, do you think this could be possible?

FYI:  In order to avoid confusion between fiat BitAssets and their various fiat UIA counterparts, the BitAsset versions are displayed in the UI with "bit" as a prefix.  So for example, instead of USD, it's bitUSD.  The reason I'm pointing this out is because if you choose "BitARS" as your symbol, then it will display in the UI as bitBitARS.  That doesn't seem desirable at all. 

131
A trend that would be great to visualize and follow is total value transacted on the DEX (excluding transfers).  So if you can put that on the daily chart, it would certainly be appreciated! 

132
General Discussion / Re: Subsidizing Market Liquidity
« on: April 14, 2016, 02:44:15 pm »
BTS/bitEUR score (formula is here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21544.msg289590.html#msg289590)
Code: [Select]
2016-04-13
 183696659.8428,liquidity-bot-linouxisbot
 113107835.0706,altfund
  76662915.9213,liquidity-bot-mauritso
  32650952.0400,bts-scotter

Nice work, @abit!  The only comment I have is that we previously discussed rewarding balance between buy and sell side orders.  So for example if a market makers scores 3000 on the bid side and 2000 on the ask side, they would get full credit for 2000 + 2000.  And then we could apply some factor less than 1 to the remaining 1000 from the bid side score.   I don't think the factor should be 0, but perhaps in the .25-.5 range.  In the future we can do something more sophisticated that identifies the weak and strong sides of a market when it's trending, that way we can more heavily reward liquidity provided to the weak side.   

By the way, can you test out your scoring on a UIA?  Maybe OBITS since it's one of the most active?  Thanks for your work on this, @abit!
Thanks! Scoring of UIA pairs is on my to-do list.

According to https://cryptofresh.com/assets, in last 24 hours, the most active UIA:UIA pair is MKR:OPEN.BTC, the most active BTS pair is BTS:OPEN.BTC

UIA related pairs need to add some factors to the formula, I haven't figured out the final formula.

Doesn't really matter which UIA to test on as long as it has some good volume.  But I did ask Ronny several days ago on another thread if he would be interested in using this and he said yes.  I have no idea if @Rune would use it.  Although I don't see why not!

Anyway, what about the point I brought up about taking into account balance between buy and sell side liquidity?  Actually, I think it would be best for your script to simply produce 2 scores (one for the buy side, one for the sell side) and leave it at that.  Then the issuer can apply their own "balance factor", which would be a very simple calculation that can be done in a spreadsheet.  The issuer will already have to make some decisions about how to use the scoring data to begin with.  For example, do they want to have a minimum score for a MM to qualify for a rewards?  Do they want to reward only the top X number of MMs in a given period?  Do they want to reward only those MMs who provided a minimum % of the total liquidity?  Etc.  This will all have to be up to the issuer, and they may try different things.
I'll bring out more statistics data, E.G. average spread per account, average volume, total show up time/duration, then the issuers will have a clearer picture.

Buy and sell side will be calculated independently.

Some of the decisions you mentioned require modifications to the formula itself, fortunately it's not hard to change atm. To be more productive, it's best that the issuers come out and say what they want.

Actually, none of the scoring methods I mentioned require further pre-processing.  But if any issuers can think of a way they would like to score that DOES require additional pre-processing, I agree now is a good time for them to speak up.  Otherwise I think we'll pretty much be all set once you break out the bid and ask sides.  On second thought, another thing I just remembered - I still think it's a good idea to add bid_ask_midpoint as a top level field next to price_feed.

133
General Discussion / Re: Subsidizing Market Liquidity
« on: April 14, 2016, 12:00:38 pm »
BTS/bitEUR score (formula is here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21544.msg289590.html#msg289590)
Code: [Select]
2016-04-13
 183696659.8428,liquidity-bot-linouxisbot
 113107835.0706,altfund
  76662915.9213,liquidity-bot-mauritso
  32650952.0400,bts-scotter

Nice work, @abit!  The only comment I have is that we previously discussed rewarding balance between buy and sell side orders.  So for example if a market makers scores 3000 on the bid side and 2000 on the ask side, they would get full credit for 2000 + 2000.  And then we could apply some factor less than 1 to the remaining 1000 from the bid side score.   I don't think the factor should be 0, but perhaps in the .25-.5 range.  In the future we can do something more sophisticated that identifies the weak and strong sides of a market when it's trending, that way we can more heavily reward liquidity provided to the weak side.   

By the way, can you test out your scoring on a UIA?  Maybe OBITS since it's one of the most active?  Thanks for your work on this, @abit!
Thanks! Scoring of UIA pairs is on my to-do list.

According to https://cryptofresh.com/assets, in last 24 hours, the most active UIA:UIA pair is MKR:OPEN.BTC, the most active BTS pair is BTS:OPEN.BTC

UIA related pairs need to add some factors to the formula, I haven't figured out the final formula.

Doesn't really matter which UIA to test on as long as it has some good volume.  But I did ask Ronny several days ago on another thread if he would be interested in using this and he said yes.  I have no idea if @Rune would use it.  Although I don't see why not!

Anyway, what about the point I brought up about taking into account balance between buy and sell side liquidity?  Actually, I think it would be best for your script to simply produce 2 scores (one for the buy side, one for the sell side) and leave it at that.  Then the issuer can apply their own "balance factor", which would be a very simple calculation that can be done in a spreadsheet.  The issuer will already have to make some decisions about how to use the scoring data to begin with.  For example, do they want to have a minimum score for a MM to qualify for a rewards?  Do they want to reward only the top X number of MMs in a given period?  Do they want to reward only those MMs who provided a minimum % of the total liquidity?  Etc.  This will all have to be up to the issuer, and they may try different things. 

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General Discussion / Re: Subsidizing Market Liquidity
« on: April 14, 2016, 04:21:27 am »
Define the formula for smart coins as (only count in one side: sell bitEUR & buy BTS):
Code: [Select]
account_score = sum(order_score)

order_score = volume * seconds * price_score(feed_price,order_price)

price_score =
  if order_price < feed_price * 80%
    then 0
  else if order_price <= feed_price * 99%
    then 100 / (1 - order_price / feed_price)
  else
    100 + 10000 * (order_price / feed_price - 0.99)
So,
* price_score is 0 if order_price is less than 80% of feed_price
* price_score is 5 if order_price is 80% of feed_price
* price_score is 10 if order_price is 90% of feed_price
* price_score is 20 if order_price is 95% of feed_price
* price_score is 33 if order_price is 97% of feed_price
* price_score is 50 if order_price is 98% of feed_price
* price_score is 100 if order_price is 99% of feed_price
* price_score is 150 if order_price is 99.5% of feed_price
* price_score is 200 if order_price = feed_price

Then scores of BTS/bitEUR market in April are here:
Code: [Select]
2016-04-12
 184400378.7000,lin9uxis
 158725194.2100,bts-scotter
  48644049.8322,altfund
  37088100.0000,mf-tzo
  14851206.9189,liquidity-bot-linouxisbot
  13052533.0683,liquidity-bot-mauritso
   3235363.3944,liquidity-bot-linouxis2
   1367414.0955,liquidity-bot-mauritso2

2016-04-11
 203062435.9842,bts-scotter
  63045259.2621,altfund
  28664143.6950,lin9uxis
  10421922.3498,liquidity-bot-mauritso2
   5889780.8652,liquidity-bot-mauritso
   5057244.0000,mf-tzo
   4649968.5468,liquidity-bot-linouxis2
   4043822.3133,liquidity-bot-linouxisbot

2016-04-10
 641074500.0000,hugogoulart
 307256636.3463,bts-scotter
 105651130.2000,liondani
  98901551.4495,hcf27
  60203082.8904,altfund
   9153766.9794,liquidity-bot-linouxis2
   8539407.2832,liquidity-bot-mauritso2
   7128896.5920,liquidity-bot-linouxisbot
   6013054.6734,liquidity-bot-mauritso
   2609749.4892,lin9uxis
   2256716.3844,liquidity-bot-bm

2016-04-09
 516839795.8971,bts-scotter
 254116500.0000,hugogoulart
  46036964.3199,altfund
  42258169.8000,liondani
   8893063.7451,liquidity-bot-mauritso2
   7583349.3258,liquidity-bot-mauritso
   6019348.3032,hcf27
   5872279.0644,liquidity-bot-linouxisbot
   5126273.1861,liquidity-bot-linouxis2
   1843986.2718,liquidity-bot-bm

2016-04-08
 402232130.1660,bts-scotter
 216266250.0000,hugogoulart
 113177815.4358,altfund
  36026166.0000,liondani
  18505503.4875,liquidity-bot-mauritso2
  14579342.0448,hcf27
   9433227.9429,liquidity-bot-mauritso
   1256984.7966,liquidity-bot-gold21
    820598.4297,gold-mine
    631812.8628,liquidity-bot-linouxisbot
    548911.6506,liquidity-bot-bm

2016-04-07
 228067431.7239,bts-scotter
  91298250.0000,hugogoulart
  64178934.8070,altfund
  24261388.8000,liondani
   5664953.6586,liquidity-bot-mauritso2
   5378275.7307,liquidity-bot-mauritso
   1030284.2871,antman890
    348001.2387,hcf27
     74945.3340,liquidity-bot-gold21

2016-04-06
 204159419.3772,bts-scotter
  53689303.3404,altfund
  22085322.6000,liondani
   1019154.3606,antman890
    647557.2120,mf-tzo
    223506.2250,liquidity-bot-mauritso

2016-04-05
 194139802.9065,bts-scotter
  52144072.1850,altfund
  21599146.8000,liondani
    945507.3318,antman890

2016-04-04
 228594201.3564,bts-scotter
  62036456.5413,altfund
  23930959.8000,liondani
   1217967.2901,antman890

2016-04-03
 275702980.5606,bts-scotter
  28311683.4000,liondani
  24672346.9869,altfund
    321518.3616,antman890

2016-04-02
 283152877.3458,bts-scotter
  28497024.6000,liondani
  16613545.7664,altfund

2016-04-01
 250503237.4629,bts-scotter
  27221079.6000,liondani
  15580021.5384,altfund
   1266542.7588,inarizushi

@kenCode

Nice work, @abit!  The only comment I have is that we previously discussed rewarding balance between buy and sell side orders.  So for example if a market makers scores 3000 on the bid side and 2000 on the ask side, they would get full credit for 2000 + 2000.  And then we could apply some factor less than 1 to the remaining 1000 from the bid side score.   I don't think the factor should be 0, but perhaps in the .25-.5 range.  In the future we can do something more sophisticated that identifies the weak and strong sides of a market when it's trending, that way we can more heavily reward liquidity provided to the weak side.   

By the way, can you test out your scoring on a UIA?  Maybe OBITS since it's one of the most active?  Thanks for your work on this, @abit!


135
As long as where ever it is placed has room for others as well then I say go for it!  +5%

There is already a place for all parties.  What we're talking about here is making the default Bitshares wallet prominently visible on the forum site.  It should be one of the first things people see when they visit, otherwise we're shooting ourselves in the foot.

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