I've started a separate thread to discuss making OpenLedger more prominent on the forum site.  Please add your 2 cents there. 

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22207.msg289525.html#msg289525

I think this is exactly what is needed. If OpenLedger keeps this up, it will be the "go to" place to trade the most recent coins. People will look for and expect OpenLedger to list them and will trade them there. It can create demand for OL. Maker, Digix and Lisk. The timing is right because atm people are throwing money at everything expecting another Ether like event. With this OL can get the acknowledgement and buzz it needed.

People expect Polo to add these new coins but they dont seem too responsive so it's a good chance to snatch some traders. Then it's just a matter of time until people get used to the platform.

It seems there are a lot of good things happening with OpenLedger.  Ronny really seems to be getting the word out there.  I'm also thrilled that we have LISK and soon to be Digix and hopefully Synereo and others trading here on the DEX. And although I have no idea exactly how it fits in, I am intrigued by CoinsBank.  From what I can see, CoinsBank may ultimately be like another Coinbase.  Imagine if BTS could be purchased from directly within a Coinbase account?  That would be a game changer.

I'm also impressed by the OpenLedger video series Ronny has been putting together.  And not just the tutorials.  The new "You are in control" video (below) is really excellent. 

I think a lot of this stuff needs to be much more front and center.  Looking at the forum structure, OpenLedger is nowhere to be found!  I think that's a mistake.  New visitors to the forum should see OpenLedger quickly and easily.  And the tutorials and other OpenLedger videos, etc. should be easy for anyone to find.  With that in mind, perhaps we should consider creating a new forum after General Discussion and Bitshares 2.0 entitled "OpenLedger: Bitshares Wallet" or something to that effect.  Thoughts?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG_XiOdbum8

Quote from: liondani on April 12, 2016, 12:25:29 am

You must ask CMC to add  the pair OPEN.LISK/BTC to their market list !!!

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/lisk/#markets

already in the works, hopefully by tomorrow we have bts, eth and btc markets of LISK listed

You rock, Ronny!

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The server-side wallet storage was not part of the proposal, but something we felt was necessary to backup/secure user funds. We do not yet have confidence in the reliability of server-side storage to enable this feature. There is a significant about of liability associated in offering to host/backup user wallets.  We don't want to be responsible for the loss of funds.

Why not backup wallets directly on the blockchain? Along with a hash of the owner's email for easy lookups later. And maybe some random noise.

 
Forget servers, we have a blockchain!
 
How about this...
Throw a bunch of different random numbers and other noise (maybe even the brainkey too?) into a json file, then compress it, encrypt it, base58 encode it, and throw that single text string into a memo. then, there is your backup. just call it up via wif, throw your key at it, and voila'... would that work? It would only cost a few BTS to store it as a transaction in a block too (for LTM's of course). For extra security, make a second backup. Yes? No? Horrible idea?
 
Hiring (and having to constantly trust) a backup server company is a huge expense and risk that Bitshares' name does not need. I think we should leverage the tools that we already have as much as possible. We have the most scalable chain on earth, let's really show it off!

this would be awsome!
how likely is it, that someone could entcode my password?

We would have to use very secure passwords.. maybe encrypt the wallet using its own brain key. That would make it easy to recover and hard to hack.. isn't this effectively a brain wallet?

Right, the backups of your stealth can go to the blockchain (the noisy json file compressed, encrypted and base58 encoded as a simple text string into the memo field).
Reference that transaction when needed via its transaction id.
Use a brainkey to access those individual stealth transaction backups, and another brainkey to access the wallet itself.
Almost all of this is existing code, we just need to tie it together and display the backup brainkey to the user upon/via a transaction confirmation modal.
I know my architecture here is missing some specifics, but this can be the general gist of it, and keep it so the user never even has to think about it. Sending and receiving via stealth will become as easy to use as sending an email IMO..

As per BM's statements (https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/e147#t=10:45) storing the stealth backups in a memo field as per our discussion above will require the user to have a very strong password. Ok, that may be true, but storing my backups on someone's server seems like an even bigger risk (and expense).
 
At this time we are at an impasse, so.. Go back to the old risky expensive centralized server model, OR require users to have a really strong passphrase and stick the backup into a cost-effective secure block transaction?
 
Is it time for a poll? Stealth is pretty much on hold until we resolve this.

If I'm not mistaken, the conversation about needing a strong passphrase had to do with storing keys on the blockchain period (i.e. regardless of stealth).  I thought the stealth-specific issue was that, if you're planning to store keys on the blockchain, the data storage requirements with stealth would be a challenge.  Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

The other question about stealth, as I recall it, is whether we want to go with a solution that is more user friendly than the current version implemented for @onceuponatime but isn't as private (i.e. you can see who is transferring but not the transaction amounts or account balances)?  Again, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Ethereum blockchain is up and running: it just works.

• Contact the guys at UjoMusic: http://ujomusic.com/
• Negotiate a merger between Peertracks and UjoMusic.
• Launch the new Peertracks Dapp on the Ethereum blockchain.

Are you insane?  LOL

Quote from: Empirical1.2 on April 09, 2016, 09:49:11 am

My contention is that it's suspicious because given the references of much more popular projects it takes a long time to raise that amount of money from a wide investing audience.

Well to help ease your suspicions I will tell you why it did as well as it did vs the others you have mentioned. Simply put, both Augur and Lisk were pure pipe dreams with nothing to show but a pretty page saying they would do something with ethereum that had no connection to regulatory bodies or any kind of registered body that was responsible. Instead you put your money in and hope something comes out of it.

DigiX on the other hand was a 1 year old mature project.. had clear plans based on regulatory requirements on how their operation would work, and already had something to show people. It was very clear who the corporate entity that ran it was involved also. Also look at the nature of what they are looking to do.. bridge physical assets with the blockchain. This is of far more importance application wise, and more easily understandable than other said sandbox experiments.

With all that considered, it easily attracts more institutional investors who are willing to throw more money at it. Perhaps not millions, but if they had  ethereum as part of their portfolio putting a quarter million into it would just be a good hedge.

So the lessons that should be learned from this is if you want to see that kind of success.. do the hard work first, aim for things that solve real world problems, and don't make offerings pretending to be some mystical decentralized thingamabob that lives outside any reach of being convicted for breaking laws of any sorts. Then the serious money in the world will be able to start looking at your seriously.

I don't think @Empirical1.2 is comparing the prospects or viability of Digix vs. LISK or AUGUR.  I think he was just saying the supposed crowdsale wasn't truly open to the public, that it appears to have been quickly bought up by large investors who were in-the-know and ready with large chunks of funds.  He is probably right.  Although I think what that mostly says is that Digix was probably beyond the stage of needing to do a crowd sale. 

As for LISK, by calling it a "pipe dream" you are not giving it nearly enough credit.  Fact is, LISK is much further along than ETH is.  It has some real advantages over ETH and is a more complete solution.  A lot of people are going to be very surprised by how well LISK does. 
 

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Thanks, but I'm looking for the Soundcloud link.  Usually @testz uploads a recording there.  @testz, any word on that?  Would appreciate it.  Thanks. 

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@bitsapphire et al - Any update from Moonstone?.. I've been out the loop but happy to now have BitShares2.0 working and then hoping other areas still progressing well.

Cob gave an update and mentioned how graphene code has some major issues that prohibit scaling... Said moonstone is being held back by these issues

I call BS on that statement. Moonstone is never coming imo, smelled bad from the start and their continued silence just confirms that.

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I was busy when I first read cob's email, so I kind of glossed over the specifics of that part of it.  But reading it again, what he relayed about the Graphene wallet doesn't sound even remotely accurate.  After all, many people are using Bitshares browser wallets without any problems.  So who gave him that information, bitsapphire?