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General Discussion / Re: Interactive Charts and Graphs
« on: April 01, 2017, 09:42:06 pm »
Being able to see witness performance metrics is very useful, so I like the direction you're heading with this.  It would also be helpful to see some tabular data with sortable columns.  Like a table of missed blocks stats, perhaps with columns showing number of missed blocks in the last 1hr, 24hrs, 7d, 30d, 6m, 1y.  It would also be useful to chart moving averages of missed blocks per witness.

Like missed blocks, I think it would also be interesting to see similar representations for witness deviation from median price feed. 

Ultimately I think it would also be nice to collect and show stats on other performance metrics as NEM does for their supernode rewards program (link below).  But that's probably a much bigger undertaking.  Anyway, thanks for your work on this stuff.

https://supernodes.nem.io/history

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General Discussion / Re: Why only #3?
« on: April 01, 2017, 05:52:52 pm »
Quote from: mea123 on April 01, 2017, 01:50:54 pm
Quote from: Permie on March 31, 2017, 05:36:08 pm
Quote from: mea123 on March 31, 2017, 05:04:42 pm
MT4 platform, easy, liquid and fast execution
perhaps I pay a bit more, but I get in and out in a heartbeat
Could you expand on this?
Is this a competing crypto-exchange?
Cheers

nope is not crypto-exchange, it is just a Broker which offers to trade BTC/USD and this is all what matters to me, fast and furious :), I know my fee, no manipulation no wait , enter order and get filled in a second , sell/ buy same ..I dont care about any other thing as a trader, as long as I get what I ask for..
which is not the case with OL exchange at all
I dont need to become a scientist nor do I want too, to understand how this Broker works, because I am not, I trade and make or lose money...that is all what counts to me..
The problem with this new exchanges is, only a few ppl understand it and because they do, they dont understand why
none technician dont and because of it, getting scared...and live in uncertainty

Better OL changes this, because I will not trade at this platform if I get much better options


First of all, MT4 (or MetaTrader 4) is NOT a broker.  It's a software platform developed for FX brokers by MetaQuotes Software Corporation.  Obviously the software can be customized for non FOREX trading...such as crypto-currency exchange trading.  But I believe the only crypto-currency exchange supported is BTCe, which I assume is because they paid for that customization so they could offer the MT4 trading UI to their clients. 

As for ease of use, it's really not that easy to set MT4 up for trading BTC with BTC-e.  I've actually gone through the process myself in the past, and anyone interested in seeing what the process is like can click on the video below in which someone shows how to do it. (Please note the guy in the video says "there are several exchanges that allow you to trade crypto-currencies".  He means that in general.  But keep in mind only BTC-e has support for MT4 as far as I know.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EFXviQJPWw

Anyway, most people trading crypto-currencies simply will NOT go through such a process.  But some people will.  Especially if they want some of the advanced features of MT4 such as the MQL4 programming language, or its tools for the development, testing, and optimization of trading robots.  Such features could be very interesting for a UI integrated with the Bitshares exchange...and maybe someday OpenLedger will work with MetaQuotes Software Corp. to customize MT4 for use on the Bitshares network.

In the meantime, OpenLedger offers a trading UI (based on the Bitshares default UI) which is less sophisticated than MT4, but far better designed than the default trading interfaces of most (if not all) crypto-currency exchanges. 

Anyway, since you're currently using MT4 (assuming you really are using it), please tell us more specifically what you can do with it that you cannot do with OpenLedger.  And don't tell us you can "trade BTC/USD fast and furious", because that's not a feature.  Also, in case you didn't realize, liquidity has nothing to do with the UI.   We know that liquidity on the Bitshares exchange is lacking, but it's still early in the game, and liquidity is steadily growing as more and more people are using the DEX via OpenLedger or the Bitshares default UI. 

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General Discussion / Re: Why only #3?
« on: March 30, 2017, 10:06:47 pm »
Quote from: sahkan on March 30, 2017, 04:02:11 am
@tbone

I think you misunderstood and read too much into it. All I said was that we need to improve the trading interface (opinion) to move up in rank and attract more traders. The interface gets improved all the time so that's great!
Here is an example of a features rich Forex Trading platform:


I don't think I misunderstood or read into anything.  You said there was a problem because you weren't seeing (by default) an asset you were interested in (DASH). But all you had to do was search for it and add it.  And if you had the latest version, DASH would have been visible by default to begin with. 

Moving on, thanks for posting that screenshot of a FOREX trading UI.  We actually already have most of the necessary elements that are on that screen: 
  • They have their Market Depth.  And that's equivalent to our Order Books and Market History. 
  • They have a Chart.  We also have a Chart (although granted our charting could be improved further, with the primary need being more candlestick options, but also more indicators and drawing tools).
  • They have their Watch List.  We have our Markets list. 
  • They have their Order List.  We have our Open Orders and My History. 
  • They have News.  We don't need News but have a Trollbox instead. 
  • They have their Stock Ticket (which is a unified Order form).  We have separate Buy and Sell Order forms.
  • They have a list of Positions.  This one we don't have, although I have advocated for it a few times (and OL may be adding it to their UI if they take some of my recent suggestions).

We also have something very handy that the UI above does not, which is the Market Depth Chart.  In fact, we have that in both mini form (which can be visible if you have the Trollbox closed), and large view (which you can toggle in place of the Price Chart).

Anyway, it's easy for people to bash and point out deficiencies.  And that's fine as long as the points are valid.  Actual constructive criticism is healthy and necessary, so I hope we see more of that.  But a lot of what we're seeing recently just isn't valid or accurate.  And I will continue to point it out when I see it.

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General Discussion / Re: Why only #3?
« on: March 30, 2017, 12:17:08 am »
Quote from: nmywn on March 29, 2017, 07:36:51 am
@sahkan
You're right on this one. In order to find, for examle DASH:BTS you have to set BTS tab as active. In order to make that market visible you have to click the grey star. And finally, search full name of asset, in this case OPEN.DASH - prefix is hidden in the GUI.
This is confusing and I'm afraid facelift is not enough.

DASH is visible by default, unless you're using an old client.  And no, to locate other assets using Find Market, you do NOT need to enter the prefix.  So no, sahkan was not right.  And neither are you.

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General Discussion / Re: Why only #3?
« on: March 30, 2017, 12:06:46 am »
Quote from: sahkan on March 29, 2017, 03:45:55 am
Quote from: tbone on March 29, 2017, 02:52:03 am
Quote from: sahkan on March 28, 2017, 04:29:14 am
Bitshare exchange needs a face lift. As an example if I want to trade DASH to BTC, I have to go to FIND MARKET, type in DASH and then all I have is DASH under BTC. There needs to be an easy way to display all pairs that you want to trade on one screen. Traders (me) like convenience and speed. That's of course only my opinion.

What are you talking about?  DASH is listed on each of the base asset tabs.  Very easy to see those DASH pairs and click on them to view the associated order books and trade them if you like.  Beyond that, the exchange may need a tweak or two here and there, but it most certainly does not need a face lift.  In fact, it's one of the best designed exchanges you'll fund anywhere in crypto.

Anyway, you need to start asking question instead of jumping to conclusions and misleading people by stating falsehoods.  You're 2 for 2 now.

I use the Bitshares Light Client on Mint and to get to DASH I have to use the steps I described. I might log in through the browser later on to see the differences.

EDIT: I just went to the browser wallet and indeed DASH is there (so there is an difference between web and my client). But that was not my point, substitute Peercoin for DASH above - the point is I want all available pairs or pairs I am interested in.

The light client is exactly the same UI as the web wallet (bitshares.org/wallet).  So if you're seeing something in the webwallet but not in the light client, it's because you don't have the latest version.  Who are you blaming for that? 

As for Peercoin, the reason you don't see it is because (I'm 99% sure) it's not offered.  And if a pair you're interested in is not selected by default (no one can read your mind), you just locate it using the Find Markets tab.  It's really not that difficult.  And we're supposed to believe you're qualified and capable of being a witness?   Hmmm. 

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General Discussion / Re: Why only #3?
« on: March 29, 2017, 02:52:03 am »
Quote from: sahkan on March 28, 2017, 04:29:14 am
Bitshare exchange needs a face lift. As an example if I want to trade DASH to BTC, I have to go to FIND MARKET, type in DASH and then all I have is DASH under BTC. There needs to be an easy way to display all pairs that you want to trade on one screen. Traders (me) like convenience and speed. That's of course only my opinion.

What are you talking about?  DASH is listed on each of the base asset tabs.  Very easy to see those DASH pairs and click on them to view the associated order books and trade them if you like.  Beyond that, the exchange may need a tweak or two here and there, but it most certainly does not need a face lift.  In fact, it's one of the best designed exchanges you'll fund anywhere in crypto.

Anyway, you need to start asking question instead of jumping to conclusions and misleading people by stating falsehoods.  You're 2 for 2 now.

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General Discussion / Re: Can someone make an ELI5 video for converting bitassets to fiat?
« on: March 29, 2017, 02:39:23 am »
Quote from: fav on March 28, 2017, 09:34:05 am
Quote from: mf-tzo on March 28, 2017, 09:09:26 am
thank you very much mate..I will use this for now.. +5% +5% +5%

Although I would expect a professional video from the blockpay team how the merchant can use blockpay and convert to fiat.b

a connection to Uphold API would be pretty cool via the wallet.

1click conversion bitusd > open.btc
1click open.btc to dollar card uphold

No Uphold API necessary.  The blocktrades bridge withdrawal functionality already has the ability to go straight from bitUSD to external BTC.  As things currently stand, you would have to paste the Uphold BTC address in the dialog box (along with specifying how much bitUSD you want to send).  But if there was some sort of address book in the wallet where you could save your Uphold BTC address, then you could just select Uphold from the list of recipient addresses to send BTC to, and voila!

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Technical Support / Re: Setting Up a New Witness Node
« on: March 29, 2017, 02:14:59 am »
Quote from: sahkan on March 26, 2017, 04:30:58 am
Here are some notes on installing and running my witness:  sahkan-bitshares

1. My 16GB RAM runs at 95% utilization, in comparison CPUs and Network around 5%
2. I am one of 56 witness nodes, only 19 are block producing (Active) I would say that it is extremely  centralized ATM.
3. To vote yourself in as an active node as of today you need over 403mln votes, around $23MLN?
4. 11 Committee members control most of the votes and setting on the network, including voting in witness nodes.
5. I saw a recent proposal to raise the witness pay to 3BTS per block (from 1.5BTS) maybe the number of Active witnesses should be raised as well?

My witness runs in Hawaii, if it ever goes active I will update this post with the MPA Price Feeds guide. Any feedback on fine tuning my witness will be appreciated and I will be grateful for any votes for  witness sahkan-bitshares!

Just so you know, the inventor of DPOS -- one of the world's foremost blockchain experts -- has shown over and over that Bitshares and Steem are effectively far more decentralized than Bitcoin, and that adding more witnesses does not improve security much and would actually have a negative consequence because it would increase the time to irreversible confirmation.

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General Discussion / Re: New "Steemit style" login for Bitshares.org/wallet
« on: March 28, 2017, 11:45:48 pm »
Quote from: Permie on March 28, 2017, 06:42:20 am
Quote from: tbone on March 27, 2017, 09:54:12 pm
Quote from: Permie on March 27, 2017, 05:00:05 pm
Excellent! Lots of great features. I am very appreciative of your and svk's work. Thanks

One thing though
Quote from: JonnyBitcoin on March 27, 2017, 04:13:31 pm
As long as you choose a sufficiently long and complex password (use a password manager!), your keys are safe.
...and so long as you also have a 100% clean OS; in an isolated environment, trust the OS image, trust your internet connection isn't routed via an attacker, and don't fuck up by accidentally logging in via a potentially compromised computer.
WOOPS! Time to start over again and secure a new account...

Keyloggers now have the potential to ruin your financial life. New customers are going to be scared away until this is resolved with hardware wallet (trezor) support

Only then you're safe

I would welcome being proven wrong :)

You should use Zemana AntiLogger.  Don't type anything sensitive on a computer that doesn't have AntiLogger installed.  And use a password manager so you can have a different extremely long password for every log in.
So: use antilogger to type in extremely long password, then change the bts password whilst logged in? So there's a new password every time?

Zemena antilogger reviews don't look too good. Allegedly it encrypts the text you type, then decrypts it so that the website can receive it.
Apparently decent/advanced keyloggers can defeat it. What do you think?

I haven't seen any bad reviews of Zemana as an anti-keylogger, and it's been around for years.  But they also do anti-malware now, and I'm not too sure how good that functionality is.  Maybe that's where the review comes from.  Either way, I doubt Zemana or any anti-keylogger is 100%, and certainly wouldn't rely on it alone, but it's an extra layer of protection in conjunction with anti-virus and anti-malware software, and it's pretty lightweight..  As for using Antilogger, it just runs in the background, and it should start up automatically when your computer starts. 

But I was saying previously it's a password manager that enables you to realistically use very long passwords (40+ upper case, lower case, numbers, and special characters), otherwise you couldn't possibly remember them.  The password manager also enables you to use a different very strong password for everything you log into, which is another good precaution that is really only feasible with a password manager.  Just make sure to use a long master passphrase to secure the password manager itself. 

Speaking of which, I have a fingerprint scanner, so that's a good option for logging into your password manager without having to type your passphrase once let alone multiple times throughout the day (i.e. when it times out, which you can also adjust).  The fingerprint scanner is obviously really convenient, and it's also safer since the previously discussed keylogger protection is unlikely 100%.  But if you don't have a fingerprint scanner and want to be extra safe logging into your password manager, you can use the password manager's virtual keyboard login screen.  Hope this helps.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: March 28, 2017, 10:16:29 pm »
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 28, 2017, 09:14:54 pm
Quote from: tbone on March 28, 2017, 08:48:36 pm
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 28, 2017, 05:58:54 pm
Quote from: Permie on March 28, 2017, 05:19:16 pm
Quote from: mf-tzo on March 28, 2017, 02:51:30 pm
@Thom more importantly I want to stress the lack of marketing. And also that for some reason everyone hates BTS.. Try to say BTS to the moon in Polo troll box twice and you are banned..On the other hand everyone else scream all the time moon for ETH,DASH and everything else they want to promote and no one is banned.. Polo admins hate bts..

Poloniex, a centralized exchange that rakes in profit for a few, hates a decentralized exchange that could steal the money out of their pockets.
Do they hate it because the DEX is a threat to their business?
Or do they hate it because they are mal-informed and just think its one more shitcoin

If the centralized exchanges wanted, they could destroy BTS in a second.  They control enough BTS to vote in whoever they want.  One of the GIANT flaws in bts that almost everyone around here sweeps under the rug or chooses to ignore...  Just another reason DEX adoption has been tepid.

Even if Poloniex colluded with other exchanges, their votes would still be outnumbered by the top few proxies alone, not to mention including individual voters.  So yeah, no, that's yet another bogus theory from the king of FUD.  Oh wait, now you'll spin that exactly the opposite and say the voting power of proxies is a weakness of Bitshares.  Which of course is ridiculous as well.   But facts have never stopped you.  So why would they now?

Hmm... Take the top 4 exchange accounts.  They control almost 750million BTS which outnumbers all the proxies combined... but maybe that isn't a fact in your world.

You are correct though that I think the proxies centralize the system.  Even if the exchanges do nothing, 4-5 people have complete control of the chain.

Tbone, i've tried not to attack you personally unlike what you have done to me.  I try to point out flaws with the system. But if you are going berate someone for not using "facts", try using some facts yourself.

You're including cold wallets?  Like these major exchanges are going to defeat the purpose of having cold wallets and put customer funds at risk?  That's not realistic.  And even if it was realistic, then multiple exchanges would still have to collude, which is also unrealistic since that means they would be using the funds of their customer to destroy the investment of said customers. 

So let's see.  An exchange would have to do something they are extremely unlikely to do, and which would probably land them in jail for a long time.  They would have to collude with others and convince them to also engage in this incredibly stupid, risky, and unethical behavior.  And they would have to risk large amounts of funds in cold storage to do all of this.  This is so far fetched.

And your goal is most certainly NOT to provide constructive criticism.  That would actually be useful and welcomed.  But your M.O. is to create fear, uncertainty and doubt.   You do that by constructing false narratives based loosely on just enough facts to sound credible to those who are unsuspecting.  I've seen your basement-dwelling type a thousand times over the years.  Get it?

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares price discussion
« on: March 28, 2017, 08:48:36 pm »
Quote from: lil_jay890 on March 28, 2017, 05:58:54 pm
Quote from: Permie on March 28, 2017, 05:19:16 pm
Quote from: mf-tzo on March 28, 2017, 02:51:30 pm
@Thom more importantly I want to stress the lack of marketing. And also that for some reason everyone hates BTS.. Try to say BTS to the moon in Polo troll box twice and you are banned..On the other hand everyone else scream all the time moon for ETH,DASH and everything else they want to promote and no one is banned.. Polo admins hate bts..

Poloniex, a centralized exchange that rakes in profit for a few, hates a decentralized exchange that could steal the money out of their pockets.
Do they hate it because the DEX is a threat to their business?
Or do they hate it because they are mal-informed and just think its one more shitcoin

If the centralized exchanges wanted, they could destroy BTS in a second.  They control enough BTS to vote in whoever they want.  One of the GIANT flaws in bts that almost everyone around here sweeps under the rug or chooses to ignore...  Just another reason DEX adoption has been tepid.

Even if Poloniex colluded with other exchanges, their votes would still be outnumbered by the top few proxies alone, not to mention including individual voters.  So yeah, no, that's yet another bogus theory from the king of FUD.  Oh wait, now you'll spin that exactly the opposite and say the voting power of proxies is a weakness of Bitshares.  Which of course is ridiculous as well.   But facts have never stopped you.  So why would they now?

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General Discussion / Re: New "Steemit style" login for Bitshares.org/wallet
« on: March 27, 2017, 09:54:12 pm »
Quote from: Permie on March 27, 2017, 05:00:05 pm
Excellent! Lots of great features. I am very appreciative of your and svk's work. Thanks

One thing though
Quote from: JonnyBitcoin on March 27, 2017, 04:13:31 pm
As long as you choose a sufficiently long and complex password (use a password manager!), your keys are safe.
...and so long as you also have a 100% clean OS; in an isolated environment, trust the OS image, trust your internet connection isn't routed via an attacker, and don't fuck up by accidentally logging in via a potentially compromised computer.
WOOPS! Time to start over again and secure a new account...

Keyloggers now have the potential to ruin your financial life. New customers are going to be scared away until this is resolved with hardware wallet (trezor) support

Only then you're safe

I would welcome being proven wrong :)

You should use Zemana AntiLogger.  Don't type anything sensitive on a computer that doesn't have AntiLogger installed.  And use a password manager so you can have a different extremely long password for every log in. 

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [worker] Python-steem and uptick (1.14.52)
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:03:46 pm »
Quote from: Geneko on March 23, 2017, 02:51:50 pm
Is this Leonardo maybe? Because if it is that could be huge, that would provide bot cross trading between mayor centralized exchanges
and DEX, and as a bonus, providing DEX exposure to big game players.

That could certainly be financed by new worker. How much fund are needed in your estimation?

This has value.  How much value it has depends on a) what functionalities this company offers and intends to integrate with Bitshares, b) how many existing users they have who could take advantage of this new support for Bitshares, and c) whether other softwares that are compatible with Poloniex would now also become compatible with Bitshares.   And then of course the worker cost also matters.


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General Discussion / Re: A plan to revive the value of the BTS token
« on: March 16, 2017, 06:22:30 pm »
Quote from: vikram on March 16, 2017, 05:25:10 pm
I've been wondering about the possibility of a noninflationary BitShares clone--maybe snapshotting only "active" BTS accounts--and with some features stripped out but leaving the DEX (plus maybe some parameter tweaks) and seeing how it might compete.

Not directly comparable, but I think @tonyk had a crowdfunding-based similar idea at one point: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21558.0.html

Soledger is mostly busy with a separate project for now but it's something I'd consider exploring later down the line if there was community interest.

No offense, but it's not a good idea.  For starters, I doubt it would get much (if any) traction.  But more importantly,  if it siphons off even a small amount of liquidity from the Bitshares DEX, it would be hurting Bitshares without any realistic hope of succeeding itself.

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General Discussion / Re: Raising the quantity of BTS witnesses & the introduction of vote degradation?
« on: March 06, 2017, 10:23:18 pm »
Quote from: FractalNode on March 06, 2017, 09:41:00 pm
I corrected my mistake in The third criterion:
it should be "proof of ability"

And I wouldn't group ability (price feeds) and resources (missed blocks(...), server uptime)

Around the globe we could have very different cases. IN some of them, we could have very talented and involved programmers with weak and expensive servers, and in the other hand we could have very good servers and lazy operators.

Quote
As for paying standby witnesses, I assume you mean in a scenario where they would randomly get to produce some % of the blocks.
Actually not (let it be as it is easier), They are needed to confirm blocks, not to produce it
and they are needed as a backup – this is very important!
We also create in this way a trained base of administrators and enter the competition.


I was just trying to group the metrics that pertain to how good of a job a witness is doing.  Seems logical.  But it can be grouped any way as long as each individual metric (not each group) has its own score attached. 

As for backup witnesses, I agree with the reasons to have backups (to develop pool of competent witnesses).  I also agree with incentivizing people to confirm blocks (as opposed to produce them).  Actually, if I understand correctly, this is a more important function than people realize. But how do you pay for that?  I mean, how do we even know if someone is confirming blocks?  Right now we don't.  But I've said in the past that it would be nice if the software could be modified such that the account running it could get credit for doing so.  If one could earn a return on their stake like this, many people would be willing to run a node and lock up collateral.  This could be the Bitshares version of a masternode.  The software could even be made to include the upcoming stealth "trusted setup" to enable wide participation in that process.  I think we'd get a lot of interest and could generate a lot of buzz with something like this.

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