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It looks like btsbots developer is serious about stopping it. This sucks. This is the best end user product on bitshares so far. And yeah, we need a replacement.

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The question here is not "why". There may be a million of reasons why. OP ask "how".

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Technical Support / Re: Setting up a simple Multisig 2fa style account?
« on: December 06, 2017, 01:24:11 pm »
Agree. This is very important issue and we need clear step by step instructions how to set up multi-fa accounts for most common use cases, like trading account.

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Bitshares does a horrible job of reporting / P&L anyway (for now), as you can't export your trade histories more than a few blocks back.

This is true, and this is pita. If this proposal would address P&L reporting issue, I would support this worker without asking no more questions, plus offer a donation on top.

We very much would like to include P/L reporting, but aren't quite sure how to calculate profit. Like if you trade in the BTS:EOS market, how would you report profits? You can't do it in USD, because if both go down in terms of USD, you report a loss even if the bot has made a profit. Maybe compare the outcome to just holding the initial balance - and that on a graph over time. What do you think?

It is not a job of trading software to calculate P&L. Trading software should provide all info necessary to calculate it. If I trade in BTS:EOS market, I would like to know a change of my BTS balance, and a change of EOS balance over a specified period, then it is up to me to convert it into USD or other fiat. Btsbots does this, but only over 28 days period. For tax purpose for example, it should be a fiscal year, which may be different in some countries. And this should be provable, such that tax authorities can conduct audit. In other words, they should be able to get all your transactions and calculate your P&L themselves.


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Bitshares does a horrible job of reporting / P&L anyway (for now), as you can't export your trade histories more than a few blocks back.

This is true, and this is pita. If this proposal would address P&L reporting issue, I would support this worker without asking no more questions, plus offer a donation on top.


This is not true anymore :) even if we have no infrastructure developed for ElasticSearch plugin yet ...

I have a working wrapper for it here: https://github.com/oxarbitrage/bitshares-es-wrapper with some sample urls on what can be done.

API call can be constructed to get all the FILL ORDERS from an account , check the last sample of the readme. By scraping the operation and the amounts inside i suppose the p&l can be obtained.

This is nice, but this is still very cryptic. I can't imagine average trader being able to parse this output. Can it be a little more user friendly, like actual asset names instead of ids, like "X of asset A exchanged for Y of asset B, date, time"?

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Bitshares does a horrible job of reporting / P&L anyway (for now), as you can't export your trade histories more than a few blocks back.

This is true, and this is pita. If this proposal would address P&L reporting issue, I would support this worker without asking no more questions, plus offer a donation on top.

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Btsbots already does pretty much what you describe, and they did not ask for funding through worker or other way. Sorry bro, but you have a tough competition here.
Bts bots is not easy to use and no one knows exactly what it’s programmed to do, for example it doesn’t work from the midpoint it works from the settlement price. This is not ideal. In active markets we need the option to work from a calculated mid point.

The point of the worker proposal is to provide liquidity providing tools to the masses so that everyone can help increase liquidity on the dex. Btsbots will never provide this. Also in the proposal it offers two additional liquidity providing strategies that btsbots does not offer (triangle arbitrage and staggered orders).



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Reference price which is calculated from multiple exchanges weighted by their volume is what actually makes btsbots useful.  Reference price calculated from a single market is not robust. And, btsbots is dumb easy to use, I don't know what difficulty are you talking about. You can download its source and look what is it programmed top do any time.
Thankyou for your opinion, can I ask your opinion on the other two strategies we intend to provide that btsbots does not?


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I am not against another bot. I just say that open bot already exists and works very well. Reading your OP, I felt the same way as pc expressed, honestly. Just make your proposal plausible and it will be supported by community. If you mention what experience do you have in trading or developing trading bots, this will help to gain the trust.

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Margin trading is such a non-trivial matter that it is not sufficient to be just a good programmer to make a proper software, this has to be done by developers who understand how markets work very well.

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Btsbots already does pretty much what you describe, and they did not ask for funding through worker or other way. Sorry bro, but you have a tough competition here.
Bts bots is not easy to use and no one knows exactly what it’s programmed to do, for example it doesn’t work from the midpoint it works from the settlement price. This is not ideal. In active markets we need the option to work from a calculated mid point.

The point of the worker proposal is to provide liquidity providing tools to the masses so that everyone can help increase liquidity on the dex. Btsbots will never provide this. Also in the proposal it offers two additional liquidity providing strategies that btsbots does not offer (triangle arbitrage and staggered orders).



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Reference price which is calculated from multiple exchanges weighted by their volume is what actually makes btsbots useful.  Reference price calculated from a single market is not robust. And, btsbots is dumb easy to use, I don't know what difficulty are you talking about. You can download its source and look what is it programmed top do any time.


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General Discussion / Re: btsbots wallet release v0.0.1
« on: December 03, 2017, 11:49:17 pm »
Which fork is this?

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There is technically no difference if you keep BTS as collateral or bitUSD or other bitAsset. As long as collateral asset can be easily converted into borrowed asset, this is fine. Any bitAsset can be easily converted into any other bitAsset either through a direct market or through forced settlement to BTS first.

This is actually a very nice idea. The first bitAsset should still be issued by somebody, who is long on BTS. Let's say, Alice issues 1st  bitBTC backed by BTS and sells it to Bob, who is long on BTC. Now, Bob can lock his 1 bitBTC as collateral, issues 5000 bitUSD and sells them to Carol, who wants to keep her money in blockchain instead of bank account. Carol's 5000 bitUSD would be effectively backed by a 20000 USD worth of BTS, which Alice locked. Carol can settle her bitUSD for BTS any time. This way every bitAsset is properly backed and a risk of shorting is distributed between multiple people.

Actually, bitAssets is a pioneering experiment with a lot of unrealized potential. If it was re-iterated in a smart way, it could surely beat a shit out of centralized competitors in margin trading.

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General Discussion / Re: Network hijack
« on: December 01, 2017, 03:49:09 pm »
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As time goes by, theoretically speaking, polo and binance could get a hold of 51% of all the available bts.

Exchanges don't need 51% or something to abuse voting power in different ways. In fact, they already did it.  A solution is simple: don't give them your BTS to hold.

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Btsbots already does pretty much what you describe, and they did not ask for funding through worker or other way. Sorry bro, but you have a tough competition here.

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Русский (Russian) / Re: Signed messages
« on: November 29, 2017, 04:25:00 pm »
Ну что значит не очень актуально для bitshares? В bitshares, как и везде, транзакция подписывается приватным ключом, а верифицируется публичным. Как работает криптография с открытым ключом, хорошо разъяснено на примере gnupg в gnu privacy handbook https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html. На русском наверное тоже можно найти.

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