wondering if somebody can let me know, if I can integrate  my promo code into the BC500 Banners
what I mean is if somebody click on my banner it recognize my code..

Quote from: santaclause102 on January 19, 2017, 05:21:31 pm

Quote from: lil_jay890 on January 19, 2017, 04:20:36 am

9.  Original investors start selling SCAM.UIA because there was no initial pop and barely any buy orders on the books.
10.  All of a sudden the trading book for SCAM.UIA is loaded with sells with hardly any buy orders.
11.  This leads to steady sell pressure on SCAM.UIA.  Many of these investors who are selling SCAM.UIA have no interest of being in the BTS ecosystem, holding BTS, or using the DEX.
12.  What are these uninterested investors who just received BTS for their SCAM.UIA going to do??? That's right! SELL THEIR NEWLY ACQUIRED BTS!
13.  What do they sell it for??? bitcoin, ethereum, or fiat.
14.  What does selling BTS for fiat do to the price of BTS?? Causes it to decline.

@lil_jay890 Thanks for the write up, having read it I think you have a point. I was critical because it seemed as if the ability in Bitshares to issue ICO tokens would always be negative for the BTS price. There is another side to it too though: If the UIA would be undervalued after the IPO, all after-IPO investors would need to buy BTS in order to buy the UIA which would be good for the BTS price.

Also there is the effect of a generally bearish or bullish BTS market. A bearish BTS market would make those that sold their ICO token for BTS, sell their BTS for Bitcoin like you said. If it's bullish though, holding BTS would be encouraged.

Overall I we can conclude:
(-) Creating downward pressure on BTS price: Overpriced ICO, General bearish BTS market.
(+) Creating upward pressure on BTS price: Underpriced ICO, General bullish BTS market.
(+ -) If there is one negative and one positive factor they cancel each other out.

Quote from: GChicken on January 19, 2017, 11:30:52 am

If we could encourage trading in BTC or Open.BTC and leave BTS for fees, platform operations (issue account/ assets etc) and smart coin trading and issuance / collateral do you think the net result would be positive for the price of BTS.

I think that wouldn't help too much - as long as BTS (as opposed to open.btc) has the highest liquidity on external exchanges vs BTC -  since the ICO investor who wants to get back to BTC or fiat will sell BTS on external exchanges.

What would help is if ICOs would not have these ridiculous valuations which bring them close to being a scam. The only solution I see is to have ICOs that don't set valuations of their token market cap, but have a price discovery, there are two options I know of:
1) Either dividing all ICO tokens among all investors
2) Or the AGS model where 1/200th of the tokens sold are distributed among all investors who sent money on day 1 of 200 days. The same on day 2 and 3 etc...

So, there may actually be a conflict of interests since Openledger wants to maximize the token market cap/valuation of their customer's (Centz) ICO while it would be good for the BTS price to have the opposite.

So here's the rub... Have you ever seen an ICO undervalue itself?  I haven't.  Like you say most valuations are completely insane.

I agree that if BTS was in a bull market and UIA's were being issued undervalued, we would see general price appreciation in BTS.   Problem is 99% of ICO's are overvalued.  Until something is done to limit the UIA's creator ability to suck liquidity and value out of the system, the bearish circle will stay in place.  Hence every BTS price rise being sold.

agree, we have the best evidence in our portfolios, CENTZ is overpriced even so I think its a interesting concept I would wait after the ICO has settled

If we could encourage trading in BTC or Open.BTC and leave BTS for fees, platform operations (issue account/ assets etc) and smart coin trading and issuance / collateral do you think the net result would be positive for the price of BTS.

Any ideas how we could accomplish something like this?

One of the great benefits of Bitshares is being able to start a project and allow trading instantly without any troubles of getting listed on a EX etc. Seems if we had less liquidity on the DEX for BTS this would actually be a good thing.

Do you think Projects like Bitgate and Bitkapital could help in this regard by means of their gateway service, converting users fiat into Bitcoin on the platform; providing higher amounts of wealth stored in BTC and increasing the number of new investors.

perhaps to the dislike of some, like "santaclause102" and perhaps others as well, I do have to agree a whole lot with >lil_jay890<, I also raised this issue myself, and as I am a investor in various different Tokens , I realized that each and every one is about 50% or more less than what I  paid for, this is not a complained but a recognition of realization. I for consider myself  an investor, not a trader in UIAs , with this said I was hoping to increase some in value and some not, thats what investors have to face, but with obvious mentioned reason I made the mistake to buy in ICOs , did not do due diligence so it my fault, but if this is being the case in the future , I doubt OBITS will become a  household name, because people not only become aware of this problem in this very forum, but the media will eventually catch up and as we know, can/ will have a devastating effect for the future of ICO's and therefor everything involved in it, I might be wrong, but I did business in my entire  live and the bad always trumps the good news..thats a fact..that said I for myself will not invest any good money in overvalued ICOs , but if I am interested I would wait until the sell of to grab my shares and this strategy looks more obvious to this day until I am proven wrong, I am not very savvy in crypto and understanding a lot about it, but I know trading and biz, and the basics will never change, still I will be in for the long hall and see whats going on, but the facts lil_jay890 mentioned are undeniable, one like it or not, numbers dont lie ( BTW: SANTA what you think when EURO shares are sold and USD shares bought instead , what would happen to the EURO, right the EURO would go down ..you agree with this??) that might be a reason why BTS is not rising like the sun, or BTC   just my two centz

Um, bots don't make assets worthless. If the price goes to 0, maybe it's a worthless asset anyway, bots or not.

Study an asset carefully before you buy it, to see what underlying value it may have.

Study an asset carefully before you buy it, to see what underlying value it may have
good luck with this suggestion

Quote from: yvv on December 22, 2016, 05:42:34 pm

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But let's have a real conversation about the cost vs. the value.

Ok, let's look at number of views for each video. What cost per viewer is adequate?

If you're going to judge by cost per view, you have to do it over time, not right at the beginning.  But more than anything, it's just plain common sense to understand that it's helpful to have tutorials, especially video tutorials.  Of course, the videos should be nicely done, with the subject matter articulated in an easy to understand manner, which I think Chronos has done.   

In any event, I think the new bitshares.org site should have a page that lists these tutorial videos (similar to Tableau, linked below).  When people see such resources, they are much more likely to dive in...and more likely to stick with it.  How do you measure that?

http://www.tableau.com/learn/training

I agree very much with bold text, I for myself struggled with content explanation, just to find it with my own research, dont get this stuff, to be honest, OL should promote with obvious explanation as much as possible, , somebody like me, do not have the knowledge as do insider, that is a commune problem, insider tend to think everybody is like them...WRONG..like Trump use to say still not insider might come along, if the entire platform would be explained to them just my opinion

I am not an expert, nor do I understand a lot about what you talking about,
but I know one thing, I trade for more than 7 years Forex and more than 20 years Stocks.
if you cant trust the system, because one dont get the right price, people will look for one they think they can trust...I hope I did understand the point right
if you provide an exchange you better get it right, and the exchange on OL is far from good, let stand from perfect
I am an Obits and more investor and as an investor I like seeing thing work, if they don't I have to move on and believe me most people don't like OL exchange, that's why they dont become
account-holders to begin with, the exchange has to change for much better and more reliable

Quote from: xeroc on December 07, 2016, 04:51:28 pm

The ol account is on the bitshares blockchain. You access the same account just by using a different webpage.

Dont create a new account. Instead go to the settings and import your backup

regrettable it just does not work , every time I enter the restore BIN it says
"Invalid Format"

help is needed