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What a complete farce & another demonstration of bad faith.

BAIP2 attempted to erase comments during review: https://github.com/bitshares/baips/pull/8#event-2776076244

BAIP2 was then force merged into the BAIP repo without addressing any reviews by the community, completely disregarding BAIP processes: https://github.com/bitshares/baips/pull/9#pullrequestreview-313090815

This poll has zero credibility, cease manipulating Bitshares like this & adhere to BAIP processes than defraud the process.

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@ R   
Do you want to be stronger?hold more bts.
Increasing my BTS position will have zero impact on the 'strength' of my forum posts 🙄

I'd be willing to bet it'd have no impact on your demands to buy more BTS than speak freely about the current state of affairs neither.

Vote is power, you can easily understand it.

R, don't speak other thing, just answer the questions which i have asked:

can you tell me where the development fund come from of these coin, BTC,LTC?

and how old is BTS?

Lack of development will not stop investors to buy, the truth is very simple, investors like to buy BTC/LTC/BCH/BSV/XRP/XLM/DOGE/blah, blah, blah... en,they even like to buy more shitcoin... en, why?

BTC from private companies which seek funding to centralize and control the blockchain - Blockstream for one. Will cnvote start paying devs in place of worker proposals?

LTC - they just copy BTC, their founder dumped their token.

BTS is several years old, sure. Only a couple years of that were unpaid max, during which we lost key devs to other projects which are now worth more than BTS.

Why do people buy 'shitcoins' which don't have proper paid dev teams? Poor investment decisions & lack of insight into such technical matters.

You made your point though, you believe that no matter reduced development the investors will come. It's been 6 weeks of BSIP76 without that outcome, how much longer for this scenario to unfold?

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@ R   
Do you want to be stronger?hold more bts.
Increasing my BTS position will have zero impact on the 'strength' of my forum posts 🙄

I'd be willing to bet it'd have no impact on your demands to buy more BTS than speak freely about the current state of affairs neither.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Decentralized 2019 Recap
« on: November 07, 2019, 06:08:21 pm »
Excellent work, this is great exposure for Bitshares 👍

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So you're saying that by not developing what investors want they won't invest? So why would they invest if there is no development to develop that which they want?

I agree with OP, a lack of development will lead to stagnation and decaying software quality. If HackTheDex runs out of funding then there are always external security groups who pay much more for zero days & wouldn't hesitate to use them.

The combination of hackthedex and bitshares-ui development resolved multiple critical vulnerabilities in the last year which had they fallen into the wrong hands could have led to ransomware & worms speading through the network with precision and minimal input by the victim.

It looks like you want to argue for something and want prove your opinion is right, that's very interesting.

Don't believe it? Go check out hackthedex reports (not conclusive): https://hackthedex.io/#/reports

Now that UI development is no longer funded, are you certain there are no further issues?

By voting for refund400k you seek to actively degrade network & client security to the financial advantage of malicious actors who won't have your best interests at heart.

and please calm down!
I will not remain silent as malicious actors continue to degrade and besmirch Bitshares for their own financial gain.

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General Discussion / Re: consideration on buybacks and other hot issues
« on: November 07, 2019, 05:53:17 pm »
Bsip83 should not exist
Well it does, you can't will BSIPs out of existence - comment on the PR and/or vote when the time comes.

I have checked bsip83. Does anyone really think it will be approved?

Sure, many support voting to approve it. Whether or not it'll be approved shouldn't be a factor in whether a BSIP is merged into the BSIP repo.

transfering bts voting right to another token? it is ass idea.

Why do you believe it's a bad idea? Please elaborate rather than mock/besmirch the idea; without elaboration it's difficult to lend credibility to your claims.

Frankly, BTS has been runned for five or six years, and some people are trying to change voting rights now,just because BTS holders are complaining more and more about expenses of workers?

BSIP83 isn't about refund400k, it's about the actions leading up to the premature implementation of BSIP76 AFAIK (see: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29659.msg336083#msg336083 ).

BSIP83 doesn't propose to change refund400k nor existing dev worker proposals, so you've misunderstood the BSIP.

i worry about the professional spirit of these guys.
The spirit of many is being broken by refund400k, BSIP76 and the totalitarian attitude of cn-vote members. Frankly I'm surprised more aren't up in arms against such behaviour which continues to degrade Bitshares.

I think you are right. Some people want to deprive bts holders of their voting rights.It’s really shameful.

Except by getting an airdrop of an equal amount of voting tokens they have an equal amount of voting rights, so nobody will be deprived of their voting rights.

Bsip83 is trying to rape bts holders.

What a grotesque statement, you degrade your standing in the community speaking so ugly.

Yes, i forgot that I could get an  airdrop of ass.management tokens.

Very witty 🙄

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares Mobile App opinion collection
« on: November 07, 2019, 05:30:35 pm »
The latest version isn't loading at all on my phone when I've got nordvpn running - why is it being blocked by nordvpn?

Do you have usage statistics? Google play only shows 1000 installs..

Any plans for more feed price details than just USD & CNY? Similarly any plans to allow borrowing assets other than CNY,USD,EUR,JPY,KRW?

The FAQ is only in Chinese, there's no english FAQ despite the english locale being set.

After translating the FAQ using Google Translate:
* section 2 lists current circulation as 2.6 B, it's closer to 2.75 B https://open-explorer.io/#/assets/bts
* section 2.3 doesn't mention the refund400k threshold for workers?
* section 2.4 Voting does consume a small amount of BTS when you update your voting slate.
* section 3 still states that 1bitCNY = 1 CNY & that there is at least 1.75x backing collateral. This has been factually inaccurate for the last 6 weeks since BSIP76 was implemented. Please don't mislead users.
* section 8.1 mentions that BTS is the backing collateral asset, but UIA, MPA, EBA can also be used as backing collateral.
* section 8.2 isn't true for HERO, Hertz, Norns, and potentially other private smartcoins.
* section 8.3 again uses pre BSIP42 MCR values
* section 8.4.1 is currently factually incorrect for bitCNY & bitUSD as the current BSIP76 set threshold feed price is not based on current market rates. Further there can be committee fed & private price feed publisher lists for private smartcoins.
* section 8.5 again wrong MCR
* section 8.6 isn't correct for the bitassets, instead the feeds will seemingly be manipulated to spare you from the consequences of gambling to the detriment of bitasset holders.
* section 8.7 same incorrect MCR

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the active gratitude towards work of these workers is very appreciated by us.

You appreciate the gratitude that others give workers, yet you demean them? Why are you speaking in the third person?

But on the other hand, these workers have already paid a considerable amount of money.

High quality work deserves fair living wages. Frankly I've seen contractors in IT make much more than they're currently paid; the current rates are very fair.

While BTS is no longer a hot cryptocurrency and BTS investors are not getting any returns, BTS worker is certainly a much hotter business than before.
What does this even mean? Nonsense.

The expenditure of the BTS system exceeds most of the other cryptocurrency,
Do you have any proof for this claim? Sounds made up.

the BTS workers have been paid more than 40 million CNY(6 million USD) last year and nearly 27 million CNY (4 million USD)this year (THANK for refound400k).
Fake figures - shame on you for spreading FUD.

A Nobel Prize is only about 6 million RMB, and ten Nobel prizes can be awarded with the expenses of BTS in these two years.
Nobel prize awards are not a standard comparison for contractor wages. This comes off as petty & aggressive.

Development needs to be paid, translation needs to be paid, marketing needs to be paid, meetings need to be paid, papers need to be paid, documents need to be paid, and these expenses are more and more.
Indeed, by voting for refund400k the result is that translation, development, marketing, meetings, papers, documentation and more are directly impeded. If refund400k is in place too long, those who once contributed towards these areas will leave resulting in future WP being less effective. Not good.

In the past two years, nearly 200 million BTS token were sold in the market to pay wages for workers.
Again fake figures pulled out of thin air.

At the current rate of expenditure, the remaining reserve funds may be spent out in three or four years, so the expenses budget must be controlled and adjusted.
Disagree, your figures and estimates are factually incorrect. If you're worried about the reserve fund, let's raise the fees to increase the reserves. Heck let's rebalance the referral income for more fees to go to the reserves than to directly impede the future outlook of Bitshares through refund400k.

BTS workers are actually a business now
If you fire all the workers in a traditional business there is nobody left to run the business, investors flee and the company fails. This is the fate you want for Bitshares?

Therefore, it is suggested that, until the management of relevant workers is improved, other workers will be deactivated for a period of time except for necessary worker such as network maintenance, core bug fixing, which will be funded.
Why punish all WP for the complaints you have against individual WP? Seems highly illogical and only serves to drive these smaller WP devs away from the network towards competitors.

Core dev, infrastructure & HTD WPs are not being actively funded due to refund400k; they're running on left over funds which will eventually run out. Refund400k directly threatens future network integrity.

In fact, lots of the open source softwares on github are developed free by developers, and these softwares are also very successful. Even if BTS spending is reduced, we also believe that developers who love BTS will be willing to join the development.
When you fire full time developers who rely on WP as a primary source of income they will not stay, they will seek alternative employment so as to feed their family.

When you lie about and demean workers you severely reduce the likelihood of these highly talented devs continuing their once paid efforts for free.

Frankly it's pure delusion to believe the same level of development efforts will persist without funding. There will be brain drain & it'll be directly the result of refund400k.

Once refund400k eventually is lowered, all WP participants will be much more aware of how severely volatile working for BTS is & will be less likely to dedicate their full time towards such endeavors.

However, The wages of all workers are actually paid by all BTS holders
They're allocated by BTS holders, but they're not paid directly by BTS holders - they're paid directly from the reserve pool, not BTS holders balances.

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I don't think so, the investor don't buy not because of lack of development, but these development didn't give what they want.
So you're saying that by not developing what investors want they won't invest? So why would they invest if there is no development to develop that which they want?

I agree with OP, a lack of development will lead to stagnation and decaying software quality. If HackTheDex runs out of funding then there are always external security groups who pay much more for zero days & wouldn't hesitate to use them.

The combination of hackthedex and bitshares-ui development resolved multiple critical vulnerabilities in the last year which had they fallen into the wrong hands could have led to ransomware & worms speading through the network with precision and minimal input by the victim.

We have fund almost 20M bitcny to the development in this year, now we need to check the result of these development.
This is a wildly inaccurate estimate, way over 2x the real amount of funding.

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General Discussion / Re: Shorting Attack Protection?
« on: November 03, 2019, 02:23:36 pm »
ZB has outright refuted these claims: https://twitter.com/ZB_Group/status/1188771828967206912?s=20

So who's lying? OP or ZB? If ZB is as corrupt as you all claim, why aren't you encouraging everyone to pull their BTS from their CEX and denouncing them more severely?

Oh, you believed ZB? That's very interesting.

Why aren't you encouraging everyone to pull their BTS from their CEX and denouncing them more severely?

So, you can do what you want to do, and believe what you want to believe.
I don't believe either party regarding the 'short attack'. I don't hold my BTS in CEX nor do I know anyone that uses ZB to store BTS, if you're willing to publicly accuse ZB of wrongdoing then surely the onus is on you? Seems half measured.

It's very interesting about your thought, You believe it or not believe it, nobody care, if you want the true, to find  out by yourself.

Find out for myself whether or not this is true? One party says x, another says y, another allegedly uses it as justification for devious acts: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29659.msg336083#msg336083 I'll probably just avoid using the bitassets for a while, too much drama.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Requesting price feeds for the Hertz ABA
« on: November 03, 2019, 01:08:51 pm »
Sufficient Hertz price feed publishers have updated their price feed scripts to use a real USD:BTS reference price instead of the currently fraudulent bitUSD feed price.

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General Discussion / Re: Shorting Attack Protection?
« on: November 03, 2019, 01:05:27 pm »
ZB has outright refuted these claims: https://twitter.com/ZB_Group/status/1188771828967206912?s=20

So who's lying? OP or ZB? If ZB is as corrupt as you all claim, why aren't you encouraging everyone to pull their BTS from their CEX and denouncing them more severely?

Oh, you believed ZB? That's very interesting.

Why aren't you encouraging everyone to pull their BTS from their CEX and denouncing them more severely?

So, you can do what you want to do, and believe what you want to believe.
I don't believe either party regarding the 'short attack'. I don't hold my BTS in CEX nor do I know anyone that uses ZB to store BTS, if you're willing to publicly accuse ZB of wrongdoing then surely the onus is on you? Seems half measured.

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General Discussion / Re: Shorting Attack Protection?
« on: November 02, 2019, 04:13:19 pm »
ZB has outright refuted these claims: https://twitter.com/ZB_Group/status/1188771828967206912?s=20

So who's lying? OP or ZB? If ZB is as corrupt as you all claim, why aren't you encouraging everyone to pull their BTS from their CEX and denouncing them more severely?

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I hope to promote the Bitshares worker system to be more efficient and useful.

Welcome to the Funhouse!

In the spirit of constructive criticism. Where do you see the deficiencies of the current worker system, especially when using the BBF as an escrow?
You have not listened to thousands of Chinese community members. They have been dissatisfied with the worker system for a long time, and me too. Most of the workers didn't play a real role, but they got a lot of money. For example, the current core team and UI team, many Chinese developers are willing to replace their work, only need to be far less than their compensation, and can do better. If they are not satisfied, we can let the more suitable people do the work.
你并没有倾听数以千计的中国社区成员。他们对worker系统不满已久,我也是。大多数的worker并没有发挥出实际的作用,但是却获取了高额的报酬。例如现在的core团队和UI团队,已经不少中国的开发者愿意取代他们的工作,只需要远低于他们的报酬,并且可以完成得更好。如果他们不满,我们可以让更适合的人来做这些工作。

Both the core and ui teams are worth being well paid, they help secure the network, introduce new functionalities and resolve issues raised by users. Issues reported by hackthedex have been swiftly resolved thanks to these dev workers & network halts have been resolved by core devs swiftly.

There have been open bounties for development tasks in the past, so it's not been a closed off clique but rather a community driven effort. If your devs are available, put together a cheaper worker proposal or encourage them to check out the bounties. They should be paid a fair living wage rather than undervaluing their skills.

I really disagree with workers being the source of trouble in Bitshares, I believe we get much back from them & by voting for refund400k damage is done to Bitshares' future.

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The first is the feeding price,there are major defect in the original mechanism and we must improve it immediately.
Can you please define the issues/defects in the original price feed mechanisms & how they can be improved immediately?

Would these changes negate the need for BSIP76?

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