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General Discussion / Re: Implementing AdSense into BitShares Forum
« on: September 12, 2015, 03:44:59 pm »maybe sell some banner ad space to community webistes and projects.
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Technical Support / Re: What happened to the 30 million BTS
« on: September 12, 2015, 01:28:20 am »Follow my vote is actively developing a voting platform that will use bitshares network as the back end.
Which will do more damage, arbitrarily changing the rules to take funds from Adam *OR* having Adam dump 20M BTS over the next year?
I think the point of this thread is to say that the dumping would do more damage. Not saying I agree, I'm just here to give info.
You didn't answer the question of whether adam still considers it his *personal* BTS. If he does I think he can make more money by voluntarily burning a large fraction of it because that information will help the market cap that much.
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Technical Support / Re: What happened to the 30 million BTS
« on: September 12, 2015, 12:45:58 am »
Also I remember it not being designated for marketing but rather being a trade for Adam's marketing team's involvement, ie the BTS is FMV's to do with as they please, and in exchange they work on BTS marketing. I remember adam being confused and offended when I asked how he planned to spend it on behalf of bitshares. Actually now I remember there was later a move to appease when he gave a token percentage to top community marketers.
Has this changed? What is the designated purpose of those BTS?
Has this changed? What is the designated purpose of those BTS?
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Technical Support / Re: What happened to the 30 million BTS
« on: September 12, 2015, 12:37:52 am »
The balances say they are partially claimed but `blockchain_list_address_transactions` for those addresses doesn't show anything. I think the latter is wrong though and the balance is correct, so about 11 million of those BTS have moved which is worth about $45k now. Did he have to sell at the bottom? Maybe someone can do the detective work if Adam doesn't respond.
Code: [Select]
default (unlocked) >>> blockchain_list_address_balances PqJyHZfb5THhEjQuDdQdBkAu9Pfx9peoFZ
[[
"BTSKbY6PskiT9b1oGZVV6vPJQjB2Rkejtu6X",{
"condition": {
"asset_id": 0,
"slate_id": 0,
"type": "withdraw_vesting_type",
"data": {
"owner": "BTSHVsEyXjY9qR37QDv2dtmDuMj7PgnffzFD",
"start_time": "2014-11-06T00:00:00",
"duration": 63072000,
"original_balance": 1500000000000
}
},
"balance": 955753186835,
"snapshot_info": {
"original_address": "PqJyHZfb5THhEjQuDdQdBkAu9Pfx9peoFZ",
"original_balance": 1500000000000
},
"deposit_date": "1970-01-01T00:00:00",
"last_update": "2015-07-28T20:48:20",
"meta_data": null
}
]
]
default (unlocked) >>> blockchain_list_address_balances PhhGLBBoQkiCthPbhR961S1JSLwHHyetaC
[[
"BTS6gY5sK9cVnqm4Bg9L3dW9XRn6iEBnRRyZ",{
"condition": {
"asset_id": 0,
"slate_id": 0,
"type": "withdraw_vesting_type",
"data": {
"owner": "BTSHnBguYS2XBD5dzXTmChXWth1ZnR4nvTw",
"start_time": "2014-11-06T00:00:00",
"duration": 63072000,
"original_balance": 1500000000000
}
},
"balance": 953752616058,
"snapshot_info": {
"original_address": "PhhGLBBoQkiCthPbhR961S1JSLwHHyetaC",
"original_balance": 1500000000000
},
"deposit_date": "1970-01-01T00:00:00",
"last_update": "2015-07-29T20:10:20",
"meta_data": null
}
]
]
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Technical Support / Re: What happened to the 30 million BTS
« on: September 11, 2015, 11:52:32 pm »$300K given to FMV R&D
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$200K paid to marketing
Does that marketing figure include adam's team post brian page?
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General Discussion / Re: Alternative Network Protocol - Testers Wanted
« on: September 09, 2015, 07:26:51 am »The idea behind this protocol is to establish a hierarchical communication tree where new transactions and blocks flow up to the root node and are then broadcast down through all the peers in the same order.
Under this approach there should be no forks and a block is only missed if a leaf witness is unable to get their block propagated to the root of the tree and down to the next witness within the block interval. In this event then a witness will miss their turn but the network should go on.
Additionally, all witnesses should produce blocks with transactions in the exact same order. Any witness that reorders transactions from the order in which they reached the root node will be very obvious.
Are there docs for how this tree structure is created/maintained?
Also, since when does bytemaster write anything in javascript? =P
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General Discussion / Re: Vested Balance and BTER
« on: September 07, 2015, 06:39:16 pm »
There is no penalty for claiming vesting BTS early.
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Technical Support / Re: What differentiates Privatized BitAssets from Nubits?
« on: September 06, 2015, 04:12:57 pm »The custodians are the market makers. The monopoly is over the ability to issue nubits.
The market is made and the peg is maintained solely by the market makers, isn't it?
Yes, except they can be tugged around by NSR holders via parking rates.
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Technical Support / Re: What differentiates Privatized BitAssets from Nubits?
« on: September 02, 2015, 06:41:58 pm »The nubits price mechanism is roughly NSR holders review custodian positions and adjust "interest" rates (how quickly to create nubits not backed by debt or any other on-chain contract)
I thought it was the monopolist market maker model?
The custodians are the market makers. The monopoly is over the ability to issue nubits.
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Technical Support / Re: What differentiates Privatized BitAssets from Nubits?
« on: September 02, 2015, 12:12:49 pm »
Nubits doesn't use a price feed or any short-term price peg mechanism except subsidized market making (maybe they've made it profitable b/c there seems to be about 1000x less volume since I last looked at what they are doing).
The nubits price mechanism is roughly NSR holders review custodian positions and adjust "interest" rates (how quickly to create nubits not backed by debt or any other on-chain contract)
The nubits price mechanism is roughly NSR holders review custodian positions and adjust "interest" rates (how quickly to create nubits not backed by debt or any other on-chain contract)
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General Discussion / Re: Looking for well stated arguments for why the government cannot censor crypto
« on: September 01, 2015, 01:43:32 am »Toast is just following the money. When his paycheck ran out, he went to work for music, and then went to google. It is better for him to earn $$$ and invest than to work for BTS.
I thought he burned the google bridge by choosing to work for BTS.
Nope, he is currently working at google.
Really?Since when?
It's complicated. I went back briefly (the vague blacklisting threats were apparently a buff as they called back 8 mo later) then went onto unpaid leave. Between now and leaving BTS I have worked on 4 projects that I intend to help see through completion one way or another...
Forgive me @toast if I am misinterpreting your words, but did you say that Google threatened to blacklist you because you didn't accept their original job offer? Why the hell would you want to work fora companyassholes like that?
I accepted and then reneged, also it was never threatening more like pointing out how expensive it is to recruit and how the offer might not be there forever etc which others advised means blacklist
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General Discussion / Re: Looking for well stated arguments for why the government cannot censor crypto
« on: September 01, 2015, 01:41:07 am »Toast is just following the money. When his paycheck ran out, he went to work for music, and then went to google. It is better for him to earn $$$ and invest than to work for BTS.
I thought he burned the google bridge by choosing to work for BTS.
Nope, he is currently working at google.
Really?
It's complicated. I went back briefly (the vague blacklisting threats were apparently a buff as they called back 8 mo later) then went onto unpaid leave. Between now and leaving BTS I have worked on 4 projects that I intend to help see through completion one way or another...
Are you a nay or yay Bitshares 2.0? Fan or not a fan of Bitshares still?
I like BTS2 and graphene, still have lots of BTS.
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General Discussion / Re: Looking for well stated arguments for why the government cannot censor crypto
« on: August 31, 2015, 11:58:55 pm »Toast is just following the money. When his paycheck ran out, he went to work for music, and then went to google. It is better for him to earn $$$ and invest than to work for BTS.
I thought he burned the google bridge by choosing to work for BTS.
Nope, he is currently working at google.
Really?
It's complicated. I went back briefly (the vague blacklisting threats were apparently a buff as they called back 8 mo later) then went onto unpaid leave. Between now and leaving BTS I have worked on 4 projects that I intend to help see through completion one way or another...
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General Discussion / Re: Please stop changing the rules of the game
« on: August 24, 2015, 12:12:34 pm »Please try to make just one damn thing work (commercially speaking) before screwing it off to go and make something else.
You don't like how things are going. This is why we have Voting.
Indeed. Which is why top priority should be getting BitShares to the point at which it is independent with an effective and user friendly voting system to generate consensus on how it needs to adapt. Bytemaster has indicated that he's all in favor of BitShares outgrowing its dependence on him, so it just remains to see whether he follows through on that. If he does, I think it may become unstoppable, but if he cripples it with IP/licensing nonsense then who knows.
BM has literally said "if we vote on X then they won't vote right"...
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Technical Support / Re: How goes the Turing Complete side of things?
« on: August 19, 2015, 04:04:11 pm »Any news on the programmability of smart contracts on the Graphene platform? Any docs on how to develop a smart contract in Graphene? If not, where could I learn more and create documentation?
Haven given it some thought, I would think it might be in the best interest of Graphene to not be Turing complete. Turing complete is not necessary, and the costs of Turing complete smart contracts are decidability, which impact security if you want to go with the security by correctness model, without any practical benefit.
I reached this conclusion after reading up on Tauchain which will implement a much better designed decideable model. Long term the benefits of the Tauchain model outweigh the benefits of the Ethereum model but take a look for yourselves:
http://tauchain.org/tauchain.pdf
I think before Bytemaster settles on a permanent smart contract system he should at least read the Tauchain whitepaper and study the implications of their design. My own opinion is Tauchain is more flexible, evolveable and for that reason superior but that is only because I don't see any practical necessity for Turing completeness since you can do every algorithm Bitshares could need without having it.
Where is their model actually defined? That paper doesn't really seem to say much..
That said I like the high-level idea about keeping your contract language simple enough to be able to prove correctness, and they definitely understand the domain.
