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I think BitShares is probably more in need of a really good business consultant at this stage.
It could also use a good, general, guiding business plan.
Me and several Chinese translators and consultants were blaming ourselves at first after seeing stan's post about how mis-translation can mislead people into wrong conclusions . We though we made a huge mistake to mislead the entire Chinese community about the significance of 11.05 snapshot . It's a relieve to find out that we didn't .
But that begs to a new question , how can we avoid that in the future ?
We can't just keep dancing around things after the facts , right ?
Everybody , Please keep checking with me about things like this before making any decisions you might think would be a problem , since I have a good memory and connection of a large community . I can even be the middle man of your own dev team .
. Wildpig, I don't know much about you or your capabilities at Public Relations (PR), but you are on the right track. It is clear that there needs to be some strategic Public Relations oversight on what the Devs do that can effect stakeholders and the general market. . This is not the first time (or the second time) that we have had PR train wrecks. Enough already. we fully understand DVS .
We just don't understand why people keep saying "we never said 11.05 was supposed to snapshot for devshares " .
Because , they did said it .
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10608.0
read the bottom of the OP , then you'll know what kind of issue we're talking about here .
Toast, its not that we think DevShares will become super valuable, its the fact that you and Dan said that the merger was the last official snapshot for PTS. It is a violation of your promise to the shareholders. People can't trust the developers of Bitshares if they don't keep their word to the shareholders.
QuoteThis is getting nuts. I am starting to doubt my investment.
You are not the only one...This community used to be united...We used to have one goal and now we start dividing and competing... We have lost many early supporters and we create confusions all the time to new and old investors...
We better do something about that quickly or else we WILL become like the rest of the shitcoins out there and once we go down that road and get stigmatised like another coin that got pumped for 1 week after 1 year of waiting and dumped thereafter, then there is no coming back no matter how great BTS could have been...
Now this is the time to start building confidence again people...
Just wait 2-3 days and let the developers take some time off from the heat. Then we make a thread demanding that bitshares delegates only test on a BTS-sharedrop-only testnet. We can also ask for the official newsletter not to mention PTS (like the Chinese already did) and ask for the PTS forum to be removed. This situation can easily be fixed and isn't a big deal, there's no need to panic.
I think the underlying reason why people are freaking out in this thread has nothing to do with PTS, but is caused by frustration with the lack of marketing and low market cap.
The situation with PTS can easily be solved. The developers will listen to us, their stakeholders, just like they have always done.
Marketing will start in January, and it's gonna be good. EUR and USD Gateways will be coming too.
Don't panic.
However I do hope that decisions like PTS censorship will be voted for on the blockchain. And not just by the guys who are active on this forum.
I seriously don't understand what all the fuzz is about. PTS is the first (crypto) share drop token (created by III) and pretty damn effective at it. If anything the PTS succes, should be a motivation for BTS holders.
One of the worst things is that with Bitshares 1.0 release coming out, there will be a big marketing and advertising push for the first time. People will be searching for Bitshare related news and info and one of the thing that will be showing up is Bitshares PTS, a DAC that has nothing to do with Bitshares! They'll be getting free exposure by continuing to use fraudulently use the Bitshares name!
Stan makes the statement "The concept of merging PTS and AGS was brought up as a proposal for discussion but the idea of such a merger did not reach consensus. The whole discussion lasted but a few days and the idea was abandoned, as many are after strongly opposing community input." so maybe he can show me where the community consented to having Alphabar...
1) Use the existing Bitshares PTS brand for a project of his own unrelated undertaking?
2) Claim the right to DAC (created from Bitshares toolkit no less) sharedrops from BTS?
3) Be GIVEN %33 DEVSHARES SHAREDROP, further legitimizing his claim of being the preferred sharedrop instrument for all future DAC's?
All of this leaves a very bad taste in my and many others mouths, the fact that the Chinese redacted it from the latest newsletter says that they fear their readers would not react well to it either. I wholeheartedly endorse any effort to start voting out delegates who don't switch to a %100 BTS sharedropped Devshares fork.
Would be funny, aye?
1) Inflate BTS and give PTS free shares
2) Let them use the toolkit for free (even though it was AGS funds which paid for it)
3) Give them space on the forum so that they can attract the new users who have heard of BTS
4) Include them in the newsletter and give them further publicity
5) Award them 33% of Devshares, which may suck some value out of BTS
6) Dilute BTS for R&D and let PTS enjoy the results for free
@arhag, they're rebranding to drop the BitShares at least, and changing the name possibly to protons but still keeping the PTS ticker.
http://pts.cubeconnex.com/index.php?topic=109.0
That's good. I will give them credit for that. And they have their own forum too.Bitsapphire runs the forum. alphabar PTS is here either due to to the majority being in favour of it or Bitsapphire being unaware of the new situation. Tell them to remove that subsection and see what happens; this is one topic for which BM can't be faulted for.
That's fair. I don't blame bytemaster for that part. And since they have their own forum, I think it would be appropriate for us to put the the BitShares PTS subsection into the graveyard (with an "(Obsolete)" next to it), post a sticky post pointing them to the new forum, and lock down that subsection.
As I stated before the so called DPOS PTS snapshot , this blurry attitude from I3 towards PTS post 11.05 would turn into a PR problem . I just didn't see this problem come from the western side first . ( Hate to say I told you so , guys , but I did . )
And I've so busy with the network problem these few weeks , so I didn't really have time to keep track of the snapshot news for Devshares and missed the whole allocation issue .
Is the chinese community also upset with PTS being included in the snapshots?
of course , nearly everyone thought the 11.05 snapshot was the final one for all I3 related snapshots . (devshares is a I3 related snapshot by another name) .
I don't know what you guys think , maybe we're poor at English , but we did understanded 11.05 as the final snapshot for PTS , and there will be
no another day for that . Maybe you guys read the 11.05 and "final" differently in English ?
No. I read it the same as you wildpig. The 11/5 snap shot was supposed to be used to roll the current/future value AGS and PTS in to BTS. After that the relationship between BTS(X) and PTS/AGS would be dissolved. The was supposedly done to clean up the confusion in the market relating to the multiple ways to access BTS(x) value. Now we have PTS still hanging around, associating it self with BTS and even calling itself BITSHARES PTS. The result: We took a huge value hit in November relating to the market uncertainty for cleaning all this up and have a clear structure that the broader market can easily understand. Those involved in BTS(X) paid in multiple ways to dissolve the relationship with PTS, and now its back!! ?? Maybe there is something someone needs to explain.
This entire exercise is a learning experience and illustrates what happens when software developers try to manage things outside their areas of expertise
Bitshares is light on PR/Marketing and general strategic planing imo. It seems like the guys at Nullstreet may be filling in the PR/Mkting end. Hope fully we can get someone one that is strong in business strategy to complement BM's prowess in the general vision and technology.
Charles have you ever thought of running to be a 100% delegate?
Given how high profile you are in the crypto community, I would vote for you.
/Sorry for hijacking thread this idea just occured to me.
Well complaining that DPOS-PTS doesn't honor the social consensus when it is an attempt to upgrade (replace) PTS is pretty dumb IMO. If it did, it wouldn't be serving its stated purpose, which would mean it would be ignored by default.
DPOS-PTS with AGS as a user asset would be fine.
I'd be happy to audit the marketing team.
I'd vote for Methodx or Hopkinson (or both) to do the audit.
It is critical that we have enough early adopters to help out when mass adoption begins.
Agreed, we could have been having marketing focused at getting more core early adopters, during this time before 1.0 released.
I frequently see things like press releases from CoinTelegraph (on CMC), which discuss some positive development in another coin. Or even fricking bitReserve! And I think: We already have something better than that! Why does not one report on anything about bitshares? Why does no one seem to care?
I'd rather focus on positive things now, such as: Everyone who has not yet done so, NEEDS to go vote for matt608's argentina marketing delegate. I am certain that the value per dollar spent on his campaign will be much greater than the official marketing.
I'm still waiting for a stable update wallet though Dacunlimited so I can vote for matt608 (and Methodx). 4.25 was a mess.
The v0.4.26 at bitshares.org may still be a little buggy, but I have found it good enough for voting.
